Exactly. Those of us who have been here a long time lived thru the $0.6M worth of notes that they took in 2014-2015 which drove the pps from 0.15 to 0.0001 and the O/S (common shares) from 56M to 1.055B shares. It took 3 years for the pps to recover after the end of the conversions. HOPE that Mark , Rene and Todd have learned from the fiasco, but then again they don't own many common shares (around 1 million). They own preferred shares