John will work , fine ....i like John ;-) (they sure loved their vines in the ME, so much wisdom came from the metaphors of the vine and understandably why....) * the modern poet from lebannon distills some similar message into finer prose here "On Love" too : <A HREF="http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibran2.html" target="_blank">http://www.columbia.edu/~gm84/gibran2.html</A>