gary-- ive been there-- seen the product as it was produced-- seen the trucks loaded and being loaded-- talked to the lady in charce of quality control-- seen the quality control room-- talked to the receptionist-- talked to rhe plant mgr [ who-fixed my camera so i could take pictures that were available until captain took the link down on this ihub board ] talked to the person in charge of product development--saw the toyo machines that plni bought, dedicated to blue linx production and talked at length with john p. murphy who sold pro mold to PLNI --and btw thinks turek is one nice person --soooooooo STFU when you dont know what your talking about--jack