"remove the cert" !!!! why would anyone be concerned about removing a cert ?---who cares where they are---like the guy who holds 1 enron cert and was never delivered the second----and being witty makes 182 calls to his brokerage firm to get a status-----after playing the game 182 times---probably dont take the calls anymore----"torq" ? MY FAV !!!!!---there is no torq---dutv/ptel mean absolutely nothing.