"Now you see why I would like to keep strong opinionated political arguments off this thread, it leads to invidious infighting and quaggy, lutulent posts" Here, here!! Totally agree! It just invites a challenge and dog fights which is a distraction unless you have self discipline and ignore it. Everybody has an opinion about something so what, your intitled but one doesn't have to proof it here. It's meaningless beause no one is right and know one is wrong. Maybe english or history class would be a better place. 2 cents bl