Hey man, be careful with (paim)- they don't even have 10K - 10Q-sb <-----> I got some advice from a highly respected CFO on what they did. He said nothing but bad things that go on with stocks that buy back with debentures not real money(hard cash). Im not a basher, hell i still own this (VMDG) stock. and say nothing but good things about (JMCP). and also (BPIL - real earnings, with EBITA and pro-forma. SEC fillings and more.) I actually started a message board with BPIL. check it out.