beach, you're right. the r.b. board is just next to useless. i have so many people ignored that i can get through it pretty quickly, but half the posts i read are responses to people i've ignored. lol. anyway about cashpads. i thought 5000 was the initial production run. i was under the impression that wong gave up other business to concentrate on ecnc. why would he do that for 5000 units?