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It’s too late for a two-state solution in Israel-Palestine

January 7, 2016 6.15am EST

Author Padraig O'Malley
John Joseph Moakley Distinguished Professor of Peace
and Reconciliation, University of Massachusetts Boston

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[IMAGE can't rep...] US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter leaves Israel with business undone. July 21, 2015. Carolyn Kaster/REUTERS

Many obstacles stand in the way of a two-state solution to the conflict in Israel and Palestine.

At the moment, negotiations are a nonstarter for all parties.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has only a razor-thin majority in one of the most right-wing Knessets in Israeli history. President Barack Obama has tossed the ball to his successor. Recently, accounts have emerged of the US administration giving up on there ever being two states and beginning to focus on what a one-state solution looks like .. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.684744 . And then there’s the ongoing violence in Jerusalem and the West Bank that has been called “a leaderless intifada .. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/world/middleeast/leaderless-palestinian-youth-inspired-by-social-media-drive-a-rise-in-violence.html .” This violence has cemented additional layers of distrust of Palestinians to the ones Jewish Israelis already harbor. The hatred is calcifying.

During the five years I spent researching the conflict in Israel and Palestine for my recent book, The Two-State Delusion: Israel and Palestine .. http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/303416/the-two-state-delusion-by-padraig-omalley/9780670025053/ , it became increasingly clear that while talks over the past 25 years have focused on borders, settlements, Jerusalem and the right of return of refugees, demographic changes may have made the idea of a two-state solution obsolete even before such a solution could be worked out.

Much is made of the fact that within a few years there will be more Palestinians .. http://www.timesofisrael.com/more-palestinians-than-israelis-predicted-in-region-by-2020-report-says/ .. than Jews “between the River and the Sea.” Without a Palestinian state, Israel will either have to give the right to vote to Palestinians or become an apartheid state like South Africa once was.

As I report in my book, other demographic changes that have received little attention but may be of far more consequence are taking place within Israel’s Jewish population.

Population shifts

The birth rates of Haredim, or ultra-Orthodox Jews, and of Palestinian-Israelis exceed those of Orthodox and secular Jews.

This is creating some fundamental structural changes in Israel. Between 25 percent and 33 percent of Israeli schoolchildren now attend religious Haredim schools .. http://www.jewishjournal.com/demographic_duo/item/israels_65th_demographics . These are schools where no math or science is taught. They graduate pupils .. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Haredi-yeshiva-with-radical-agenda-to-provide-high-school-higher-education-courses-407347 .. with few of the skills necessary to live in the modern world.

The Bank of Israel concludes that unless the Haredim receive more higher education .. http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-1000898306 , Israel will fall from 16th to 26th among 34 member countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development .. https://twitter.com/OECD?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor (OECD).

Twenty years ago, 60 percent of Jewish Israeli children attended secular schools. Today, that number is 40 percent, and the trend shows no sign of leveling off.

With more religious education, it’s perhaps not surprising that Israel’s best demographers foresee an increasingly religious Israel. The Haredim will account .. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150670#.U2vbVvldWhE .. for 20 percent of the population by 2030, and between 27 percent and 41 percent in 2059, according to Israel’s Central Bureau of Statistics.

Moreover, a comprehensive survey conducted on behalf of Germany’s Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung Foundation, in cooperation with the Macro Center for Political Economics in Tel Aviv, of youth aged 15-18 and 21-24 suggest this age group is far more right wing .. http://www.haaretz.com/poll-young-israelis-moving-much-farther-to-the-right-politically-1.353187 .. than their parents. In particular, these young people are less tolerant .. http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Israelis-Palestinians-particularly-youth-grow-apathetic .. of Palestinian-Israelis .. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/08/22/alleged-hate-crime-in-israel-part-of-larger-trend.html . When given a choice between an Israel that is more democratic and less Jewish or less democratic and more Jewish, they chose the latter.

Numerous polls .. http://www.jta.org/2015/01/04/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/survey-israelis-have-lost-confidence-in-state-institutions .. show that a majority of Palestinian-Israelis want to remain .. http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/half-of-jerusalems-palestinians-would-prefer-israeli-to-palestinian-citizen .. citizens of Israel. However, religious Zionists believe that Palestinian-Israelis are hostile to Israel. Large majorities .. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4723606,00.html .. see Palestinian-Israelis, their fellow citizens, as a threat and would like to see the government push them to leave .. http://972mag.com/poll-most-jewish-israelis-think-arab-citizens-support-terrorism/112877/ .. the country.

A changing army

Allied to the increasing propensity to religiosity among Israeli Jews are trends in the composition of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), a change that raises questions about the reliability of the army.

The IDF is increasingly a religious army, recruited from the settler community in the West Bank.

The rate of settler recruitment to combat units in the IDF is 80 percent higher than the rest of country. In 2011, two-thirds of draftees from West Bank settlements served in combat units, compared with 40 percent from the rest of country.

As the Christian Science Monitor recently observed .. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2015/0417/In-Israel-s-army-more-officers-are-now-religious.-What-that-means , “The percentage of officer cadets who are religious has grown tenfold since the early 1990s.” Ten years ago, Orthodox Jewish men accounted for 2.5 percent of military graduates. Today, that figure has grown to more than 25 percent.

In some combat units, Orthodox men now make up 50 percent of new combat officers – four times their share in the population. There are now entire units of religious combat soldiers, many of them based in West Bank settlements where an implicit alliance between some settler communities and the IDF are commonplace .. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/the-ultra-orthodox-are-changing-the-face-of-the-idf-1.396302 . These religious combat soldiers answer to hard-line rabbis who call for the establishment of a greater Israel that includes the West Bank. These changes are paralleled by a decline in the number of combat soldiers and officers coming from secular families.

Putting an agreement into practice

[IMAGE]Palestinian boys clear out after the IDF demolished their shanty near Jerusalem, January 6, 2016. Mohamad Torokman/REUTERS

The role of these rabbis in controlling the army raises the question: if a two-state agreement miraculously emerged out of the current rampant violence, what are the realities of putting it into place?

In a survey .. http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/As-many-as-one-fifth-of-Israeli-Jews-identify-as-national-religious-study-finds-389291 , 40 percent of national religious respondents said that IDF units should refuse to evacuate settlers if their rabbis ordered them to.

Could the IDF be relied upon to evacuate Jerusalem and West Bank settlements – as they did in Gaza in 2005 .. http://www.democracynow.org/2005/8/17/israel_begins_forced_removal_of_jewish – with battalion commanders who are increasingly religious?

Best estimates are that about 100,000 settlers .. http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/04/how-to-evacuate-100-000-israelis-from-the-west-bank/255775/ .. would have to be evacuated from the West Bank under any such agreement.

There are no firm estimates of the number of armed settlers who are likely to resist evacuation. However, between 30 percent and 40 percent of West Bank settlers can be considered .. http://www.pij.org/pijpapers/settlements_pijpaper.pdf .. “ideological.”

“Ideological settlers,” according to Oded Eran, who served as head of Israel’s negotiating team from 1999 to 2000, “are the toughest.“ In an interview for my book, Eran pointed out that this group tends to live deeper inside the West Bank. And, for ideological reasons, a small number may take the law into their own hands.

[ as the Bundy brats do ]

A call for evacuation could lead to violence between the settlers and the IDF and violence between settlers and the Palestinian population. “This is going to be a long, painful and expensive operation,” Eran said.

In 2010, Amos Harel, a military correspondent for Haaretz, the liberal English language Israeli newspaper, asked .. http://www.haaretz.com/has-the-idf-become-an-army-of-settlers-1.289151 , “Has the IDF become an army of settlers?"

Harel noted the potential for mass disobedience in the face of such orders was making many Israeli politicians and senior officers have second thoughts before ordering soldiers to take actions against settlers. In the succeeding five years, with the continuing disproportionate influx of settler recruits to the IDF, the question is more pertinent.

Would an Israeli prime minister risk giving such an order, unsure whether it would be implemented? Such an order could tear apart the cohesiveness of Israel, already rife with multiple fault lines.

Right now, the weight of uncertainties surrounding a two-state solution seems to outweigh the benefits.

The future? There will be no mitigation of present trends. With every passing year using the IDF to evacuate settlers will become more problematic, and evacuation less likely.

https://theconversation.com/its-too-late-for-a-two-state-solution-in-israel-palestine-48803

h/t Newsweek .. http://www.newsweek.com/israel-its-far-too-late-two-state-solution-413462

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GR, you ignore Lieberman who is secularist. The point tinner made is more on the mark than your insistence that my ""it suggests a theocratic
(Perry,Palin, puffstash) type effort is not real popular much anywhere .. "" was so off the mark for you to simply dump on it .. the
theocracy, or not, battle in Israel is in fact much as the one in the USA .. the articles below i see as supporting that position ..
We must stop Israel from becoming a theocracy
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Israel does not want you to talk about the children it kills in Gaza. And neither does your government.
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How is Israel not already an apartheid state?
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We are lifelong Zionists. Here’s why we’ve chosen to boycott Israel.
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Destroying the Commons
How the Magna Carta Became a Minor Carta .. speck ..
The record of the terrorist list is of some interest. For example, in 1988 the Reagan administration declared Nelson Mandela’s African National Congress to be one of the world’s “more notorious terrorist groups,” so that Reagan could continue his support for the Apartheid regime and its murderous depredations in South Africa and in neighboring countries, as part of his “war on terror.” Twenty years later Mandela was finally removed [ http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7484517.stm ] from the terrorist list, and can now travel to the U.S. without a special waiver.

Another interesting case is Saddam Hussein, removed from the terrorist list in 1982 so that the Reagan administration could provide him with support for his invasion of Iran. The support continued well after the war ended. In 1989, President Bush I even invited Iraqi nuclear engineers to the U.S. for advanced training in weapons production -- more information that must be kept from the eyes of the “ignorant and meddlesome outsiders.”

One of the ugliest examples of the use of the terrorist list has to do with the tortured people of Somalia. Immediately after September 11th, the United States closed down the Somali charitable network Al-Barakaat on grounds that it was financing terror. This achievement was hailed one of the great successes of the "war on terror." In contrast, Washington's withdrawal of its charges as without merit a year later aroused little notice.
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