Gary Samore, feels good after saying more. Good to see.
Max Fisher: Over the past year or so, as this has all played out, what do you feel you've learned about the politics of this nuclear deal?
Gary Samore: I do think that the American capacity to have a reasoned debate about national security issues has really been damaged by the polarization in Washington.
There used to be a pragmatic, moderate core in both parties that could agree on foreign policy issues. And maybe that was damaged in Vietnam, but it came back together again. I worry that we've lost that capacity, that everything in Washington seems to be so politicized. There are still experts, but their voices are really muted by the politics.
It seems like Obama has decided that it's not even worth trying. He thinks that the Republicans are determined to vote against this deal and there's no possibility of reaching a way for them to approve it.
We seemed doomed to make this into a political dogfight. Republicans seem determined to force a vote of disapproval, and we know Obama will veto that. Very likely Congress won't be able to override the veto. Not very solid ground on which to start this agreement.
There isn't much political comment these days that doesn't mention the unhealthy polarization in Washington. No one could credibly say that Obama didn't make a huge effort to get through that, in fact, he was heavily criticized for reaching across the aisle.
Everybody knows
what happened to the conservative moderate core.
It was Plato who said, “He, O men, is the wisest, who like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing”