Not 100% certainty, but pretty darn close to it. My question, for some ray of hope with this outfit, will John put out a pr on what he gives the SEC? Highly doubtful, my guess. Almost a year ago now I contacted my local SEC office concerning companies that put themselves in the " no information" mode. I had a real good conversation with this individual and he said it was because of the money involved with staying current on their filings. That made sense to me. We didn't get into the costs but considering this company couldn't seem to generate any sales it seemed appropriate. Fast forward to today, i'm sure no to little sales, merger, partnership, highly doubtful. Whats left?