combjelly, Can't be. We've been assured that neither exists. Could this be the chip that chipguy told us would arrive until H2 2008? <A HREF="http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?Message_id=9480435" target="_blank">http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?Message_id=9480435</A> Chipguy can still be right, if K8L to takes as long to go from first silicon to market as Montecito is taking... Joe