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Thursday, July 24, 2014 5:19:10 AM
Seems 'certain' the Russian rebels shot the plane down. Maybe Robert Parry wrote that one too early. Michael Collins, in the OpEdNews one, did say "We'll see."
Obama: MH17 disaster 'an outrage of unspeakable proportions' – as it happened
* Obama confirms surface-to-air missile was used
* Airlines change flight paths to avoid Ukraine
* Newcastle United fans among nine British victims
* US president blames disaster on pro-Russian rebels
* Ukrainian, Russian and rebel leaders deny involvement
* MH17 crash in pictures
http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-crash-in-pictures?index=1
* Read the latest summary
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-crash-flight-recorder-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
* Read the latest live blog on the MH17 disaster
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/19/pro-russia-rebels-accused-of-cover-up-over-mh17-atrocity-live-updates ..
from the 2nd last link there ..
8.29pm BST
It's possible a missile system "automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity", a US military expert tells the Guardian in a report by Ewen MacAskill (@ewenmacaskill) and Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman).
Ukrainian intelligence has published a tape claimed to be a recording between rebels and Russian intelligence in which they realised there had been a catastrophic blunder.
Retired major general Bob Latiff, a former US weapons developer for the air force and the CIA and now a professor at Notre Dame University, said he leaned towards a belief that it was a case of mistaken identity on the part of those who pressed the button.
"A radar return from an airplane like this would look very similar to that from a cargo plane, as was initially claimed by the separatists. … All airliners emit identification signals which identify the aircraft and provide other information like altitude and speed. They also operate on known communications frequencies. It doesn't sound like the separatists were using any of this, or tried for that matter."
A recording which the Ukrainian government alleges constitutes proof of separatists' culpability.
Latiff says "My guess is the system's radar saw a return from a big 'cargo' plane flying at 30,000 feet or so and either automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity."
Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military specialist at the London-based Royal United Services Institute, said he regarded as genuine the tape recordings as well as postings on social media pointing the finger at Russian separatists or Russia itself.
He said it might prove difficult to get the necessary evidence. "It is very hard. A decision has been made on the Russian side to hide their tracks. It will be hard to find the battery." Satellites might have been able to catch something, but the trail from the missile would have been very short, Sutyagin said.
You can read the full piece here .. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed .
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-crash-flight-recorder-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
===
From the SMH
1:39pm: The Russian government has reportedly been caught editing a Wikipedia page .. http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/russian-government-link-as-tweet-bot-uncovers-mh17-wikipedia-war-20140719-zurmd.html?rand=1405738291760 .. relating to crashed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 and removing references to Russian involvement.
The London Telegraph reports that a Russian-language Wikipedia page about civil aviation accidents was edited from within the government-run All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company.
The user wrote that "the plane [flight MH17] was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers".
[...]
4:39am: Yesterday the Ukraine government issued a press statement blaming pro-Russian rebels for shooting down MH17 with an anti-aircraft missile as well as a sound clip to YouTube as evidence.
"A few hours after the terrorist act Security Service of Ukraine received and published the unquestionable proofs (sic) of the fact that the airplane was shot down by pro-Russian terrorists from Russia-made arms. Telephone conversations (intercepted by SSU of Ukraine) you can find here http://youtu.be/BbyZYgSXdyw.";
The following has not been verified.
[...]
Obviously, i hope, this comment is not posted here to suggest in any way President Obama
was talking about the above video .. it's just down a bit below the one above, is all ..
3:00am: "We don’t have time for propaganda," the US President Obama .. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obama-says-malaysia-airlines-plane-was-shot-down-in-rebelcontrolled-ukraine-20140719-zuq2j.html?rand=1405701437036 .. said in a Washington press conference, vowing to investigate what happened to end the lives of "men, women, children, infants who had nothing to do with the crisis".
US President Barack Obama: “We are going to make sure the truth is out." Photo: Reuters
http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-shot-down-over-ukraine-near-russian-border-20140718-3c4nl.html
Obama: MH17 disaster 'an outrage of unspeakable proportions' – as it happened
* Obama confirms surface-to-air missile was used
* Airlines change flight paths to avoid Ukraine
* Newcastle United fans among nine British victims
* US president blames disaster on pro-Russian rebels
* Ukrainian, Russian and rebel leaders deny involvement
* MH17 crash in pictures
http://www.theguardian.com/world/gallery/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-crash-in-pictures?index=1
* Read the latest summary
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-crash-flight-recorder-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
* Read the latest live blog on the MH17 disaster
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/19/pro-russia-rebels-accused-of-cover-up-over-mh17-atrocity-live-updates ..
from the 2nd last link there ..
8.29pm BST
It's possible a missile system "automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity", a US military expert tells the Guardian in a report by Ewen MacAskill (@ewenmacaskill) and Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman).
Ukrainian intelligence has published a tape claimed to be a recording between rebels and Russian intelligence in which they realised there had been a catastrophic blunder.
Retired major general Bob Latiff, a former US weapons developer for the air force and the CIA and now a professor at Notre Dame University, said he leaned towards a belief that it was a case of mistaken identity on the part of those who pressed the button.
"A radar return from an airplane like this would look very similar to that from a cargo plane, as was initially claimed by the separatists. … All airliners emit identification signals which identify the aircraft and provide other information like altitude and speed. They also operate on known communications frequencies. It doesn't sound like the separatists were using any of this, or tried for that matter."
A recording which the Ukrainian government alleges constitutes proof of separatists' culpability.
Latiff says "My guess is the system's radar saw a return from a big 'cargo' plane flying at 30,000 feet or so and either automatically fired, or some aggressive, itchy operator fired, not wanting to miss an opportunity."
Igor Sutyagin, a Russian military specialist at the London-based Royal United Services Institute, said he regarded as genuine the tape recordings as well as postings on social media pointing the finger at Russian separatists or Russia itself.
He said it might prove difficult to get the necessary evidence. "It is very hard. A decision has been made on the Russian side to hide their tracks. It will be hard to find the battery." Satellites might have been able to catch something, but the trail from the missile would have been very short, Sutyagin said.
You can read the full piece here .. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/separatist-links-malaysia-airlines-mh17-removed .
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/18/malaysia-airlines-crash-flight-recorder-found-as-anger-at-russia-mounts-live-updates
===
From the SMH
1:39pm: The Russian government has reportedly been caught editing a Wikipedia page .. http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/russian-government-link-as-tweet-bot-uncovers-mh17-wikipedia-war-20140719-zurmd.html?rand=1405738291760 .. relating to crashed Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 and removing references to Russian involvement.
The London Telegraph reports that a Russian-language Wikipedia page about civil aviation accidents was edited from within the government-run All-Russia State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company.
The user wrote that "the plane [flight MH17] was shot down by Ukrainian soldiers".
[...]
4:39am: Yesterday the Ukraine government issued a press statement blaming pro-Russian rebels for shooting down MH17 with an anti-aircraft missile as well as a sound clip to YouTube as evidence.
"A few hours after the terrorist act Security Service of Ukraine received and published the unquestionable proofs (sic) of the fact that the airplane was shot down by pro-Russian terrorists from Russia-made arms. Telephone conversations (intercepted by SSU of Ukraine) you can find here http://youtu.be/BbyZYgSXdyw.";
The following has not been verified.
[...]
Obviously, i hope, this comment is not posted here to suggest in any way President Obama
was talking about the above video .. it's just down a bit below the one above, is all ..
3:00am: "We don’t have time for propaganda," the US President Obama .. http://www.theage.com.au/world/obama-says-malaysia-airlines-plane-was-shot-down-in-rebelcontrolled-ukraine-20140719-zuq2j.html?rand=1405701437036 .. said in a Washington press conference, vowing to investigate what happened to end the lives of "men, women, children, infants who had nothing to do with the crisis".
US President Barack Obama: “We are going to make sure the truth is out." Photo: Reuters
http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-shot-down-over-ukraine-near-russian-border-20140718-3c4nl.html
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