Thursday, June 26, 2014 11:52:50 PM
Precarious Relationship Between The Islamic State of Iraq And The Baathist Naqshibandi
Wednesday, June 25, 2014
Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshibandi (JRTN) is the Baathist insurgent group led by Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Saddam Hussein’s former number two. After the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) the Baathists are one of the largest insurgent groups in the country. Those two organizations have had a very rough relationship. For years the two have cooperated in carrying out attacks in Iraq with one usually providing the money and planning, while the other launches the operation. Now however ISIS is demanding that JRTN units pledge allegiance to it, which has been resisted.
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[ INSERT: sounds a territorial war, as ISIS ran into trouble with in Syria ..
"Syria should have been ISIS’s greatest moment, but things didn’t work out for it there. Not because it was “extreme,” but because it tried too hard to dominate the market against savvy local competition. Syria was a wide-open market for jihadi organizers, free to operate openly over most of the country after decades of effective repression. Money was pouring in from fat armchair jihadis .. http://pando.com/2013/12/19/the-war-nerd-saudis-syria-and-blowback/ .. in Saudi, Kuwait, and the Emirates—enough to pay jihadis a first-world salary of $1,500/mo .. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/fr/contents/articles/security/2013/09/turkish-fighters-syria-opposition.html# . If you had a good line of patter and a few Quranic passages memorized, you could score some investment money. And military entrepreneurs poured in to take advantage of the opportunity; so many that by 2013, there were 1,200 different jihadi groups operating in Syria."
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That has led to several clashes between the two in Kirkuk, Ninewa, and Diyala provinces. These cracks in the insurgency have continued in the midst of their uprising against Baghdad, and are likely to grow in the future.
The Baathist Naqshibandi have had a difficult relationship with ISIS over the last few months leading to
constant clashes between the two (Wikipedia)
Starting this spring there have been continued reports of clashes between the JRTN and ISIS. The latest lasted several days in Kirkuk province. The fighting started in Riyad on June 20 .. http://english.shafaaq.com/index.php/security/10251-isil-kidnap-naqshbandi-leader-in-kirkuk-due-to-influence-conflict .. when ISIS allegedly confiscated the weapons of a Naqshibandi unit and kidnapped one of its leaders, and told it that it had to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State. When the JRTN refused there was a gunfight that left 9 Naqshibandi and 8 ISIS fighters dead. An alternative story .. http://news.yahoo.com/sunni-militant-infighting-kills-17-iraqs-kirkuk-082536502.html .. emerged that the two might have been fighting over money that would come from a number of fuel tankers that JRTN was using. Two days later shooting broke out again .. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/22/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0EX0BJ20140622 .. in the same area leaving 10 dead, and the next day an IED was set off .. http://www.ninanews.com/english/News_Details.asp?ar95_VQ=HFDMED .. against an ISIS convoy killing one and wounding two. These were just the most recent incidents between the two. On June 16 .. http://alrayy.com/113671.htm .. for example, 12 insurgents died in Mosul after the JRTN’s Military Council criticized the Islamic State’s code of conduct for the city. Control over the money .. http://burathanews.com/news/239355.html .. seized in Mosul might have been an issue as well. Those all occurred after the current uprising started, but the two had been arguing over the same issues for months beforehand. On May 28 .. http://www.alrafidayn.com/arabic/index.php/responsive/1971-2014-06-03-08-25-11 .. ISIS killed 8 Naqshibandi fighters in Baiji, Salahaddin because the Islamic State told them they had to follow its lead. JRTN retaliated by setting up an ambush for an ISIS leader and two of his aides in the Hamrin area of Diyala. Earlier on May 2 .. http://tiny.cc/o5f3hx .. there was a news report that the Baathists had authorized the killing of ISIS members in Diyala after it had killed six of its leaders since January 2014. For instance, the Islamic State murdered a Naqshibandi commander and his son in Hamrin on April 7 .. http://burathanews.com/news/233828.html . A member of the Diyala provincial council claimed .. http://burathanews.com/news/238056.html .. that the conflict between the two cost ISIS up to 70 fighters a not insignificant number. Publicly the Baathists have denied .. http://tiny.cc/x9f3hx .. that there are any problems between it and the Islamic State. That shows the basic inequality between the insurgent organizations. ISIS is by far the most well armed and organized militant group in Iraq. The JRTN is in effect living in its shadow willing to cooperate with it, but not give its loyalty since the two have diametrically opposed worldviews. ISIS wants to create an Islamic State across the Muslim world, while the Naqshibandi want to restore Baathist rule in Iraq. These differences will persist in the future, and likely grow in intensity as the insurgency spreads to new areas of the country.
As ISIS takes more territory and attempts to administer it more examples of these conflicts with not only JRTN but other insurgent groups will emerge. ISIS and its predecessor Al Qaeda in Iraq have a long history of trying to impose itself upon others. That’s especially true of the Islamic State who sees itself as a vanguard in the jihadist movement, which all others should follow. Already in Syria it has fought not only the Assad government, but various other opponents of the regime. The Americans were able to play upon these divisions with the insurgency with the Anbar Awakening and Sons of Iraq that were instrumental in turning the tide during the civil war years. Now it is nearly impossible to imagine Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or any other Shiite premier making a deal with Baathists or other Islamist groups to turn on ISIS since all are seen as existential threats to the state and Shiite rule. The results are a lost opportunity to turn the militants upon themselves, which will mean more fighting in the long run.
SOURCES
http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/precarious-relationship-between-islamic.html
.. seems in that one there is more good reason for Americans not to rush into bombing in Iraq, and not to cull the terrorists either, 70 ISIS killed with no? civilian causalities, is tough to beat .. it's damn hard, but concentration on containment while letting the locals look after it feels the best way to go .. and working on easing the sectarian stuff which Maliki says basically doesn't exist .. hmm, could always draft the most violent American militias, and the most radical Sovereign Citizens and send them over .. they could choose which side they wanted to fight on ..
See also:
The War Nerd: Here’s everything you need to know about “too extreme for Al Qaeda” I.S.I.S.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103403857 .. insert above also ..
Some Mid-East stuff .. Sunni-Shiite unity meeting seeks to defuse tensions in Iraq
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103449298
Iran Is Deploying Drones in Iraq. Wait, What? Iran Has Drones?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103763267
In Rare Consensus, Sunnis and Shiites Tell Cheney to Shut Up
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103740257
This is One of the Craziest Fox News Rants Ever, and It’s Not Hannity or O’Reilly
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103764984
Judge Jeanine Pirro who/what/where!!! .. sheesh, lol, comedian Russell Brand's video, in the one that one replies to, is worth a watch.
Wednesday, June 25, 2014
Jaysh Rijal al-Tariq al-Naqshibandi (JRTN) is the Baathist insurgent group led by Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, Saddam Hussein’s former number two. After the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) the Baathists are one of the largest insurgent groups in the country. Those two organizations have had a very rough relationship. For years the two have cooperated in carrying out attacks in Iraq with one usually providing the money and planning, while the other launches the operation. Now however ISIS is demanding that JRTN units pledge allegiance to it, which has been resisted.
---
[ INSERT: sounds a territorial war, as ISIS ran into trouble with in Syria ..
"Syria should have been ISIS’s greatest moment, but things didn’t work out for it there. Not because it was “extreme,” but because it tried too hard to dominate the market against savvy local competition. Syria was a wide-open market for jihadi organizers, free to operate openly over most of the country after decades of effective repression. Money was pouring in from fat armchair jihadis .. http://pando.com/2013/12/19/the-war-nerd-saudis-syria-and-blowback/ .. in Saudi, Kuwait, and the Emirates—enough to pay jihadis a first-world salary of $1,500/mo .. http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/fr/contents/articles/security/2013/09/turkish-fighters-syria-opposition.html# . If you had a good line of patter and a few Quranic passages memorized, you could score some investment money. And military entrepreneurs poured in to take advantage of the opportunity; so many that by 2013, there were 1,200 different jihadi groups operating in Syria."
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103403857
---
That has led to several clashes between the two in Kirkuk, Ninewa, and Diyala provinces. These cracks in the insurgency have continued in the midst of their uprising against Baghdad, and are likely to grow in the future.
The Baathist Naqshibandi have had a difficult relationship with ISIS over the last few months leading to
constant clashes between the two (Wikipedia)
Starting this spring there have been continued reports of clashes between the JRTN and ISIS. The latest lasted several days in Kirkuk province. The fighting started in Riyad on June 20 .. http://english.shafaaq.com/index.php/security/10251-isil-kidnap-naqshbandi-leader-in-kirkuk-due-to-influence-conflict .. when ISIS allegedly confiscated the weapons of a Naqshibandi unit and kidnapped one of its leaders, and told it that it had to pledge allegiance to the Islamic State. When the JRTN refused there was a gunfight that left 9 Naqshibandi and 8 ISIS fighters dead. An alternative story .. http://news.yahoo.com/sunni-militant-infighting-kills-17-iraqs-kirkuk-082536502.html .. emerged that the two might have been fighting over money that would come from a number of fuel tankers that JRTN was using. Two days later shooting broke out again .. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/22/us-iraq-security-idUSKBN0EX0BJ20140622 .. in the same area leaving 10 dead, and the next day an IED was set off .. http://www.ninanews.com/english/News_Details.asp?ar95_VQ=HFDMED .. against an ISIS convoy killing one and wounding two. These were just the most recent incidents between the two. On June 16 .. http://alrayy.com/113671.htm .. for example, 12 insurgents died in Mosul after the JRTN’s Military Council criticized the Islamic State’s code of conduct for the city. Control over the money .. http://burathanews.com/news/239355.html .. seized in Mosul might have been an issue as well. Those all occurred after the current uprising started, but the two had been arguing over the same issues for months beforehand. On May 28 .. http://www.alrafidayn.com/arabic/index.php/responsive/1971-2014-06-03-08-25-11 .. ISIS killed 8 Naqshibandi fighters in Baiji, Salahaddin because the Islamic State told them they had to follow its lead. JRTN retaliated by setting up an ambush for an ISIS leader and two of his aides in the Hamrin area of Diyala. Earlier on May 2 .. http://tiny.cc/o5f3hx .. there was a news report that the Baathists had authorized the killing of ISIS members in Diyala after it had killed six of its leaders since January 2014. For instance, the Islamic State murdered a Naqshibandi commander and his son in Hamrin on April 7 .. http://burathanews.com/news/233828.html . A member of the Diyala provincial council claimed .. http://burathanews.com/news/238056.html .. that the conflict between the two cost ISIS up to 70 fighters a not insignificant number. Publicly the Baathists have denied .. http://tiny.cc/x9f3hx .. that there are any problems between it and the Islamic State. That shows the basic inequality between the insurgent organizations. ISIS is by far the most well armed and organized militant group in Iraq. The JRTN is in effect living in its shadow willing to cooperate with it, but not give its loyalty since the two have diametrically opposed worldviews. ISIS wants to create an Islamic State across the Muslim world, while the Naqshibandi want to restore Baathist rule in Iraq. These differences will persist in the future, and likely grow in intensity as the insurgency spreads to new areas of the country.
As ISIS takes more territory and attempts to administer it more examples of these conflicts with not only JRTN but other insurgent groups will emerge. ISIS and its predecessor Al Qaeda in Iraq have a long history of trying to impose itself upon others. That’s especially true of the Islamic State who sees itself as a vanguard in the jihadist movement, which all others should follow. Already in Syria it has fought not only the Assad government, but various other opponents of the regime. The Americans were able to play upon these divisions with the insurgency with the Anbar Awakening and Sons of Iraq that were instrumental in turning the tide during the civil war years. Now it is nearly impossible to imagine Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki or any other Shiite premier making a deal with Baathists or other Islamist groups to turn on ISIS since all are seen as existential threats to the state and Shiite rule. The results are a lost opportunity to turn the militants upon themselves, which will mean more fighting in the long run.
SOURCES
http://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com.au/2014/06/precarious-relationship-between-islamic.html
.. seems in that one there is more good reason for Americans not to rush into bombing in Iraq, and not to cull the terrorists either, 70 ISIS killed with no? civilian causalities, is tough to beat .. it's damn hard, but concentration on containment while letting the locals look after it feels the best way to go .. and working on easing the sectarian stuff which Maliki says basically doesn't exist .. hmm, could always draft the most violent American militias, and the most radical Sovereign Citizens and send them over .. they could choose which side they wanted to fight on ..
See also:
The War Nerd: Here’s everything you need to know about “too extreme for Al Qaeda” I.S.I.S.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103403857 .. insert above also ..
Some Mid-East stuff .. Sunni-Shiite unity meeting seeks to defuse tensions in Iraq
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103449298
Iran Is Deploying Drones in Iraq. Wait, What? Iran Has Drones?
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103763267
In Rare Consensus, Sunnis and Shiites Tell Cheney to Shut Up
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103740257
This is One of the Craziest Fox News Rants Ever, and It’s Not Hannity or O’Reilly
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=103764984
Judge Jeanine Pirro who/what/where!!! .. sheesh, lol, comedian Russell Brand's video, in the one that one replies to, is worth a watch.
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