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Docsetc,
Action speaks louder than words. Too many words and deceptions for the last three going on four years now and no action no results have finally wore me down on the worst day of all.
We need results and actions and no more empty promises! There have been enough empty promises made.
I will contact you soon anyway. Thanks
I sold off 85% of my core at 0.0021 on the day when over 100 million shares were traded and when all the dirts about Charles and Chandra came out. Big loss.
I don't think it is as yet. Many of us including myself learned of this on the board last week.
Your suspicion or analysis was spot-on. Congrats to you if you got out before the last dilution. Some of us got screwed royally when PPS took a dive to trips
Charles' and Joe's new company information. See below. It appears that Charles and Joe have seperated from ENZC and BGEN as quietly as they have created the new company. The bad thing they did among many bad things (lying, false promises..) is that they took the IPs that were developed while they were employed under ENZC with them to the new company. The new company was founded over one year ago.
If you are waiting for an official PR about Charles and Joes status, you may have to wait for a long long time. They are GONE
Don't forget, Chandra also has a new company of his own where he also took the AI platform which was developed while he was employed at ENZC
It appears that Harry and the new management are trying to replenish their ENZC ATM cash cow by enticing more people buying ENZC shares with supplement pills.
They are probably concurrently cashing out ENZC common shares in the background.
100M shares of ENZC were traded hand a couple of weeks ago causing the PPS to take a big dive to trips value. How many of 100M share were insiders selling?
I also suspect more ENZC ATM cashing is coming. More shares will be dumped by the pact of four or five as their dirty activities are being discovered and brought out to light.
PPS will take deeper hit when preferred shares got converted to common shares and then got cashed out.
Be ready whatever your plan is
I think you and I have missed the igpk moving train months ago
Some of us shareholders got screwed royally by Enzc crooks and it is a little too late to come over to igpk? Some of us miss the moving train months ago
They are using ENZC shares as an ATM to continue drawing cash out when they need monies to pay for their expenses. Approximately 100 millions shares were traded handed on one day last week or the week before caused ENZC PPS to dive to trip value. These preferred shares will slowly converted to common shares so they can cash them out.
I suspect they ( the pact of four or five including Paul Fellegy) continue using ENZC as an ATM to draw money out to pay for their expenses. They want to keep ENZC alive enough so that they can gradually convert their preferred shares into common shares and cash it out When they need monies. Approximately 100million shares were traded handed on one day last week or the week before. How many shares of those were cashed by ENZC insiders? EnZC stock took a dive to trip when they cashed out the common shares.
We ENZC shareholders have been paying for Charles multiple big nice houses or mansions while we have been patiently waiting for the Africa results to arrive for the last three years. Did Africa testing ever take place in the first place or It was all lies.? Africa testing never took place and results never came. I see it all lies from my perspectives
Docsetc, I like your theory as much as I like that of Valuator2.
I think it would be naive or desperate for ENZC shareholders to think that Charles is still with us with lying and empty promises of taking care of shareholders. He sure took care of us by hanging us high and dry.
He is a crooked thief who misled us into believing in him and stole the best jewel of ENZC to have his company somewhere else.
Click link to see Charles Cotropia Company name and personnel. I dont see any ENZC nor BGEN name on this website. All I see is a new company name, and names of the officers working with Charles.
How much more spoon-fed information or proof do you need to have in order to say Charles is no longer with ENZC nor with BGEN, and he has a new company where he works, lol???
Charles' bad deedhas been going on since begining of 2023.
This is so wrong and crooked of Charles to take IPs from ENZC and open his company here without informing shareholders of the changes !
Charles was an employee of ENZC at the time when he was using ENZC monies to develop Clone7. Clone 7 therefore belongs to ENZC and to ENZC shareholders. Any transfer of IPs from ENZC to Charles’ new company must be notified to ENZC shareholders. I know bashers don’t agree with me on this topic probably because they are getting paid by Charles or by the party of four (Charles, Chandra, Joe and Harry). The party of four must understand that transfer of IP s from EnZC to Charles new company was wrong because it diminished the value of ENZC stock,
By the way, we still need to talk about Chandra taking the AI platform that he developed while he was employed by ENZC. Chandra also took the AI platform away from ENZC and opened his new company, which in turn also diminishes the value of Enzc stock.
I do not know how many time I have to repeat myself here to get enZc shareholders understand that they have been cheated by Charles, Chandra and the rest of the party of four. I’m also very surprised that some ENZC shareholders are clueless about what is going on as some have asked so rudimentary questions about the transfer of ip or validity of the actions of the party of four. Something must be done about this soon
Charles was an employee of ENZC at the time when he was using ENZC monies to develop Clone7. Clone 7 therefore belongs to ENZC and to ENZC shareholders. Any transfer of IPs from ENZC to Charles’ new company must be notified to ENZC shareholders. I know bashers don’t agree with me on this topic probably because they are getting paid by Charles or by the party of four (Charles, Chandra, Joe and Harry). The party must understand that transfer of IP from EnZC to Charles was wrong because it diminished the value of ENZC stock,
By the way, we still need to talk about Chandra taking the AI platform that he developed while he was employed by ENZC. Chandra also took the AI platform away from ENZC and opened his new company,
I do not know how many time I have to repeat myself here to get enZc shareholders know that they have been cheated by Charles, Chandra and the rest of the party of four
Of course enzc is a non-SEC OTC company. We knew the IPs was transferred to the new company because it is advertised on Charles new company website. Now is it legal that Charles did the transfer without having to notify Enzc shareholders?
I don’t recall seeing any PR telling us about the transfer
So crooked!
Of course enzc is a non-SEC OTC company. We knew the IPs was transferred to the new company because it is advertised on Charles new company website. Now is it legal that Charles did the transfer without having to notify Enzc shareholders?
I don’t recall seeing any PR about it
As an OTC company, ENZC still had to put out a PR to notify shareholders their plan and schedule of execution, for example date of planned transfer of IPs from BGEN to Charles’ new company so that Enzc shareholders can decide if they want to stay on or sell
It appeared that ENZC management surely did by having cashed out SAGA shares at $10.81 and left nothing left to ENZC shareholders by having SAGA intentionally failed to follow SEC regulations to get themselves delisted and SAGA shares worthless at the end.
That is the right and legal way of doing it. I’m a sure there are legal OTC protocols for them to follow. Obviously ENZC management people did not follow it. There are legal repercussion which await to be brought out to light.
I wonder if the five management (Charles, Chandra, Harry, Joe and ?) cashed out their SAGA shares at $10.80 before SAGA management purposely not filed or failed to file correctly with SEC so that SAGA get delisted and SAGA shares become worthless for the ENZC shareholders?
So crooked !
Yes of course, Details of filing are a must for a SEC regulated company. I was explaining it on a high level. It is a short education for shareholders here on this forum. It appears some shareholders here are willing to accept what has happened either they do not care or because they dont understand their rights as a shareholder or because the bashers have misled them so much with their lies
No, ENZC management should have put out a PR letting everyone (general public and sharehlders) know what their plan was and set an execution schedule and dates so that shareholders can make a decision what to do. I can tell you this right now, No shareholders and the general public would allow officers of any company to take the IPs that were developed while they were employed under that company to go somewhere else and open up their own company.
That is stealing and robbing of shareholders as the value of the company gets diminished when the valueable IPs are taken away.
I suspect what have happened was agreed and planned out by the pact of four without putting out a PR prior to their plans and action.
If ENZC was a NASDAQ company, management must notify shareholders and ask whether if shareholders would agree to any of these major changes by casting shareholders votes. If majority of votes came back say no, No changes can take place
....But ENZC is not a NASDAQ. It is an OTC company, ENZC management must have at least notify shareholders of the changes in advance so that shareholders can decide if they want to stay on or sell. They should have notified shareholders in advance that Charles and Chandra leaving ENZC and take ENZC IPs else where to open their own company.
They never notify shareholders of any of these changes which made so much impact on shareholders money and lifelines.
For these reasons, they have broken shareholders trust and violated legalities that shareholders must band together and go after.
There are so much more things (empty promises SAGA deal..etc) that ENZC including former CEO Charles and Chandra have violated and must be brought out to light
I understand. It also pointed out exactly how Charles had changed over the years . We trusted Charles but Charles has changed, got greedy and stole from ENZC shareholders. Look at the PPS, it took a dump and long shareholders got panicked, sold at bottom price and lost monies. When the announcement came out that Charles has left Enzc, and discovery of his new company and Chandra’s new company, stock took a big dump. Shareholders got panicked and sold at bottom price and lost their shirts.
There is no need to go back in time to show what Charles was like 13 years ago. What important now is that Charles is an dishonest person who stole from Enzc shareholders.
I highly suspect the pact of four will continue with more dishonesty by putting out PRs to pull other shareholders money back in and sell more shares after they successfully convert preferred A shares to common shares
The link you provided was for fiscal year 2011 to 2012. Maybe Charles was younger and honest then, but he is not honest nowadays because Charles never disclosed the new company that he and others are currently running after he left ENZC. Charles also took with him the Clone7 Ip developed during his employment under Enzc. The clone 7 IP belongs to Enzc and Enzc shareholders. It is not his to take away for opening his new company. I suspect Harry will not go after the IP because the party of four (Charles, Harry, Chandra and Joe) has made a pact and divided up the IPs and wealth among themselves. Harry got the control of ENZC. Charles and Chandra took the valuable IPs from ENZC shareholders to open up their own companies.
what do you think of what is going on right now with enZc?
Corrupt management and clueless shareholders
I begin to understand why naysayers and bashers are hanging around. What they are saying are not too far off from what really is going on with Enzc former snd current management people who are so crooked
If you want to know the relationship between Harry and Charles, Please read the following post written by Valuator2. For those who have not read or know the significance of it, It appeared there was a Four-way agreement between Charles, Harry, Chandra and Joe. I suspect that the group agreed to have ENZC company control relinquished to Harry. The agreement also allowed Charles and Chandra separated from ENZC and ran off to create their own new companies while the SAGA deal was happening. All these agreements were done behind close doors without any notifications to ENZC shareholders. ENZC shareholders have no votes or says against any of these agreements as Charles and Charles ran off with IPs developed while they were employed under ENZC
Valuator2’s post # 197xxx read
….,,“Harry got control of ENZC by virtue of the adjustments in the Series A Preferred stock when they negotiated the BCA with SAGA. You can see this by looking at the BCA and comparing stock ownership disclosures in the 2023 3Q and the 2023 Annual Report which includes the 4Q.
IMO, the relinquishment of control of ENZC to Harry had to be by agreement among them because the adjustment in the Series A structure was a part of the 9 million SAGA shares (ie, 20% off the top of the 45 million shares for the subs) the 4 principals got in the SAGA deal. Look at the numbers. They each gave 11.7 million Series A's in exchange for 2.25 million SAGA shares. That left Harry's Trust with 7.2 million Series A's and the Cotropia's and Chandra with zero Series A's, leaving Harry's Trust (and this Mr. Paul) as the only owners of Series A Preferred and, thus, in control of ENZC. Prior to this agreement, the Cotropia's and Chandra controlled ENZC with 35.1 million to Harry's Trust's 18.9 million Series A Preferred. (When and how Paul got the Series A's is unknown...must have come from Harry or his Trust somehow, but they aren't disclosed on the Schedule on p. 25 of the Annual Report.) JMHO.
Another indicator of cooperation IMO is that Chandra did not have an equal number of Series A's or Series B's with the Cotropia's, but he got an equal number of SAGA shares as CC, JC and Harry...2.25 million. So, it looks like CC and JC gave him some of their shares (both Series A's and B's) to make his share totals equal to theirs. So, CC, JC and Chandra exchanged all of their Series A's (11.7 each, totaling 35.1 million shares) and Harry's Trust put up the same number of Series A's (11.7 million), leaving his Trust with the remaining 7.2 million. JMHO.
I also thought it would be just a matter of time after the closure with SAGA that CC, JC and Chandra would resign from ENZC and focus on BGEN, leaving Harry in control of ENZC. So, I'm not surprised about their leaving ENZC. The filings say the Cotropia's and Chandra were "removed" as officers and directors of ENZC on March 25, which is 6 days after the 3/19 special meeting and about 30 days before these filings. (Why the 30 day delay to report the Cotropia's and Chandra are out?) That's a harsh way to describe their exit from ENZC but was it for cause or camouflage for what was agreed anyway? JMHO.“…
Valuator2,
My opinionated analysis is based on all the PR infomation (and/or lack of any opposing information) provided to ENZC shareholders so far and also was based on your post number 197524 in which you suspect that the control of ENZC was relinquished back to Harry under the 4-way agreement between Charles, Joes, Chandra and Harry.
Despite that the fact that Charles is lawyer, the party of four (Charles, Joes, Chandra and Harry) think that all of them can get away with doing the "bad" things because ENZC is an OTC stock which is not being subject to the SEC regulation enforcement, and also perhaps because they have not yet received any real legal challenges from any of its ENZC shareholders. They also know that ENZC shareholders do not have any voting rights to oppose any of their plans.
We recently know that Charles and Chandra have already detached themselves from ENZC and successfully founded their own new companies without telling ENZC shareholders and without any regards to the terms of the transaction with SAGA as they founded their own companies. Is it greed for is it because Charles is running out of time as his age is 80 year and he does not have much time left to do what he planned to set out to do.
p/s: I am responsible for drawing my personal opinion independently from Dyno89 whose posts I dont read and already ignored
I hope not because once the preferred A to common shares conversion is approved, PPS will take a big dive when the insiders dump the shares
Charles was with BGEN which was sold off to SAGA. Since Charles took the IPs from BGEN and found another bio company under his name, SAGA figured that BGEN was no longer valueable for them and SAGA decided to return BGEN.
After seeing what Charles did, Chandra also ran off from ENZC with the AI platform which was created during his employment at ENZC.
Both Chandra and Charles took the IPs from ENZC under the 4way (Charles, Chandra, Joe,sndHarry) agreement. Charles and Chandra took the IPs from the ENZC shareholder without the shareholders knowledge. was AI platform a part of BGEN?
We probably won’t be hearing from SAGA or ENZC on this question for another long silent period of time.
Just my humble opinion
see Valuator2 's post number 197524
I suspect it is going to start out in the trip value
What do you think of the PR?
What do you think of the PR?
Valuator2,
Will you be able to tell who dumped approximately 100 million shares recently that caused the PPS to dip down to 0.002 this week? Some said some former enzc management dumped the shares?
Are you available to do private chat with me in 20 mins during happy hours ? I need to find out how to do this on Ihubs
by any chance, anyone remembers seeing any PRs that said Charles and Chandra have departed from BGEN ?
by any chance do you remember seeing any ENZC PRs that said Charles and Chandra have departed from BGEN ?