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There is no one to blame for the downfall. It's a scam it would have come down in every possible scenario.
Only people who made others to buy into this scam can be blamed.
China has been a good place to invest in. The problem with Siaf/TRW is that it's just a share printing scam without any real business supporting the share price or stopping the dilution. That's why it's falling.
Not because "beef price dropped" or some other lame excuse. Sell the whole cattle division if it's so. They can't, it's not theirs or completely fake, who knows.
And do you really believe in the fruit trees? Come on. It's getting so stupid it's not even funny anymore. These guys should streamline it get rid of everything else but aquaculture but no.. Sell cattle, sell fertilizer, sell whatever silly things they have scattered and incompatible, it's crazy business model.
But because it's a scam where they collect promotional scam assets in their portfolio to fool investors being a big company they can't sell anything, rather keep everything ans collect more silly things there.
Of course they would have sold assets to avoid dilution and to save the market trust if they could. But there's nothing they can sell.
These guys claim hundreds of millions assets, have corporate value at 9M, claim tens of millions profit from TRW and profit from Siaf, but dilute, can't pay out anything and have no bank relations.
Scams don't get more obvious than this.
If 10% of their assets and businesses were real this company would be easy to save and get going up. But not even 10% is real.
It must be all fake, there is no other believable explanation to what we see happening in the real world with them.
You got to put 2 and 2 together eventually.
There is no underlying business in TRW or Siaf. TRW "trade division"? How easy it is to scam you LOL. Do you believe in fruit trees?
TRW is a desk drawer company that never got a loan from Siaf, never paid back a loan to Siaf, never paid a dividend, NEVER been proved to make any money and never did so while it had a chance.
Just more debt to the scam with claimed wins, 1/3 is in Siaf share value already, a few cents only.
It's all just SCAM. Why you promote these to be real? Proven a thousand times to be scam.
He is not stupid and he has all the power he is not about to leave and he can't because nobody can take over those cooked books, they would have to be handed to the authorities.
No underlying business is the only believable explanation for this annihilation of company market value and trust. Nobody is this careless, reckless or stupid.
It's just that there's no business income, this is all they can do now that there's no one investing directly anymore and no one giving them any loans.
Dilution and corporate structure nonsense.
Promises with value increase or cash will escape the shareholders.
Ie. there never was a loan between Siaf and TRW it's all for the show to flash money and result is cash escapes and they want to print shares instead. That's just scamming and that's all.
It should be clear by now at $0,20 and almost 100% dilution this year.
No he isn't, he is the main cause for the falling shareprice because he prints and sells and keeps the money which is practically stealing from shareholders.
He is stealing from you and you promote his cause of stealing from you. And his honesty. =D
-98% growth story down to $0,22 will be killed? =D
Fairly big move down when they announce cash dividend isn't coming, it's "delayed". Then we just wait for the dilution waves getting nastier, they will provide some big moves for sure.
Well, i don't know how big moves these will create at a time, but next few months it might add up to really BIG move down.
I don't think there's any underlying business in Siaf or TRW, I don't think any money ever moved between these companies (see my previous message), so truly sustainable BIG move up hardly will ever happen. And TRW divi and cash divi flashing have been tested already, next time they will be less convincing and less trustworthy.
Anyway good for you that you are not in over your head.
There never was any debt between these two companies. Don't you get it?
Siaf faked having income to build trust in it's claimed business.
They have no money really so they say they give it to TRW to build trust in TRW's claimed assets and business and to avoid having to give money (they don't have really) to shareholders.
TRW has no money or business either, didn't really get any money from Siaf so they can't pay back any money.
Hence the "share dividend" fiasco which was just to fool shareholders getting some value. TRW gave nothing from nothing. Luckily authorities interfered with this BS.
Siaf and TRW are twin scam companies obviously, both having no real business where they are entitled to income. They play these $0,00 NET games to flash big numbers on paper so some misguided investor would buy their shares.
And share printing is the only true business they do.
That's the whole story of Siaf and TRW. It explains management behavior, share price, dilution and everything that's boggling Siaf owner's minds.
No underlying business is the only believable explanation for this annihilation of company market value and trust. Nobody is this careless, reckless or stupid.
It's just that there's no business income, this is all they can do now that there's no one investing directly anymore and no one giving them any loans.
Scam exposed, they don't even care anymore.
Selling shares is their only business. To get money like before they need to print more. It's going to get worse and worse, not better.
I doubt they follow much rules, they print if they feel they want the money.
Your assumptions are very optimistic.
Further dilution is very likely, I'd say 100% sure and that is the main driver for this stock. And it surely drives it down.
It's many months and many million shares less since this last was $0,66.
The fake dividend has been played out as has been played the TRW distribution show. Got barely over $0,40 with that and we already know what BS it is.
There's not much drivers up left, but main driver down will get more powerful as the share drops and they need to print more to keep the show running.
Scam and fraud suspicions high, almost 99% down from the top, multiple failures, claimed assets valued at 1,5% by the market and dilution almost 100% this year.
And your "question" is "great potential but I'd like more PR"..?
That's the question you have at this moment..?
That's more like licking their butt than a question..
At this point, amazing indeed...
What BIG can you do with fake businesses?
It's all these big BS things "share dividend" and "megaloan" that they use to fool the internet hyped up not so smart investors.
No real money involved. No real business needed.
But as it all looks fake, hard to see anything big going up. Significant dilution to the current PPS could bring this down to $0,10. That would be big.
Thanks Zero, very informative!
There are quite much costs however and this does show their greed to make buck for themselves.
They are probably already itching to dilute some more but with the latest problems with authorities little bit shy.
Soon the floodgates will open. =D
Appearances can be deceiving, but I bet Solly is in 100% control and she does as she is told to do. She's gone from the company or not?
Classic story "kinda vanished in the swamp with the money".
TRW maximum value is Siaf valueX3 since Siaf already owns a third. So TRW value is 30 million minus something. And they claim more than that in profits.. ..oops, another scam.
Since TRW can't pay it's debt, can't pay it's loan and eagerly gives out it's own shares... I'd start with the assumption it's value is 0.
You are completely lost with TRW. And i mean 99% of the people here on this forum. You don't need ceremonial distribution show for dummies. You need cash dividend which Siaf is entitled to with 1/3 share and that money paid to you by Siaf. You need debt payment in cash now that the "distribution" didn't work.
You already saw the market doesn't believe in TRW, it didn't do much to the share price these distribution announcements. Why you keep playing along these silly games? If you really believe in it, get your percentage of the wins out and you prove everything valid and both shares will skyrocket and you own a healthy stock.
He must be quite a psychopath, calmly invents fruit tree business at the brink of destruction. =D
Anyway i said when the TRW "distribution circus" got out that it was sad day for the shareholders. It would have been better they paid real money, even returning just 10% to Siaf. That would have suggested there actually was some loan and it would have proven TRW has some income and money indeed. This ceremonial distribution of shares was just circus. If Siaf owns TRW, Siaf shareholders own it through Siaf no need to "distribute" anything, especially since it's not listed shares can't be sold.
It was just a trick.
Like i said if TRW was business and income was real, Siaf would never have been in these problems to begin with and it would be easy to fix everything still.
But it comes more and more evident that here is no claimed businesses in TRW.
The last trick up their sleeve is cash dividend. Now that authorities are alert they will be shy to dilute. So it'll be difficult for them to get the money.
And they even got penalty was it 70k euros. That is big money for them i'm afraid. Will be final nail to the coffin for hopes having dividend this year. My guess is they try next year with dilution money, it'll be 1 or 2 cents, delayed and too little too late. Followed by ex.date crash and this it will be heading to next reverse split... Something like this is my prediction what's going to happen.
Maybe they will pull a rabbit out of the hat but I'd be damn sure that real underlying business that would truly and in a sustainable way lift this - will never happen.
The abuse of dividend policy to manipulate share price is what you got. And waiting shall you remain for the cash part, dividend policy is non-binding, based on no existing cash, coming from known con-artists that fail at everything. =D
Actually my point was to show that the books are obviously creations of a very wild imagination of Solly as are the businesses and everything.
There's likely to be no major assets at all.
Not in TRW, not in Siaf, not in the JV stuff.
Because if they had what they claim to have, even half of it, it would be SUPER EASY to fix everything. Like i said just sell 5% of the assets at 50% discount and they could dilute at tens of times higher level, pay the debts, remove all doubt, shareholders would be happy, everybody would get dividends...
Even just TRW being true and everything else crap, they could fix this VERY EASY.
Claimed profits are 3-4 times current market value of Siaf. One time allocation of 1/3 of the profits in SIaf (which they should be entitled to because Siaf is 1/3 owner) would result in no debt, can pay dividend etc.
But since they don't do it... ...it all must be fake.
Sell everything else but aquaculture, that should be done anyway to streamline the mess. What they do? Claim to start flower business to get cash flow. =D It's ridiculous already.
How can anyone take these guys seriously anymore?
It's been tested time and time again, there is no value, no cash in this company no matter what big figures they flash on papers and filings.
Only dilution to share holders, the reward would have been there already if this was real. But it must be just a scam.
They never had any potential. It is a portfolio collection of joint venture assets where they have no right for the cash flow or selling/managing the. (promotional scam)
Siaf/TRW aquaculture seems to be some of that as well and the one location where they stay only hobby level experimenting has been proven and it has been said by the mouth of Tony that "he is just experimenting and waiting for the loan". The loan will of course never come. And even at those experiments they have had mediocre results.
There is no evidence of any cash flow, they act and dilute very logically for this being just a scam.
Still all the things apply i have said for 1,5 years already now: where's the customers, where's the commercial size harvests, why locations look inactive, why some look even staged, where are the claimed profits from previous years, why they dilute and have no real bank relations and so on and so on, there's a million red flags covering this company and as time goes by everything just comes more obvious.
Zero, do you have any idea what kind expenses this charade has? Trying to guess the needed dilution amounts. Have you made any estimates at what kind of pace this will go down?
The other sites are promotional scam stuff. Not under their control in any way. Not that it's so impressive that they'd be able to produce the numbers they claim. In their own(?) site they bobby farm and experiment with mediocre results.¨That's the front.
This is the image I have got.
Somebody quoted Tony's answer here (it was about 6 months ago i think) he had said they experiment and basically just wait for the loan.
So he is basically idle and the megaloan isn't coming ever.
An easy test would be pic of Solly in the pocket. I think even at all aquafarm locations showing that picture you'd get the same "who the f... is that guy" answer.
Doubt it, but i will if i lose. I took screenshot of it. Terms were $0,05 divi per share in your account by 31.12.2018. So many ways i can win, them not paying at all, them paying less, them paying late. I will send you back 50% if they pay in January. But i don't think it will happen.
Remember you have to pay me 1000 euros.
But thanks for having the balls. =D
Ok, that's RD =D
So you don't understand this is a fraud and a scam?
You have a jigsaw puzzle with pieces in your hand saying "dilution", "broken promise", "no cash", "corporate structure diversion", "debt", "fruit trees".
And you don't get it?
P/B 0,015
Everybody else gets it. It's a scam.
AIK is so not RD, right?
It's completely delusional to think either of these "companies" ever had their hands on 45 million dollars. There would be no dilution, TRW would have paid debt, Siaf owners would see value increase. These exist ONLY ON PAPER to fool investors.
If Siaf ever had $45 million it would not be valued $12 million for the whole company now.
It wouldn't have toxic loans no bank relations etc.
It's incredibly blue-eyed to believe these things, you need to wake up and realize these things they write on paper and result net $0,00 for shareholders are really $0,00 to begin with. Come on.
The big numbers are only on paper that's why the share is $0,22, that's why they dilute for pennies, that's why its' going down and starting to break at the seams.
For sure if he hasn't already.
Just remarkable how Solly's psychotic charisma gets people in on his scam and keeps them there even with horrible consequences for owners. This Nisse guy probably feels enormous relief finally having the courage to get out.
From the heavy dilution following dividend...