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maybe we could delete all my posts yesterday on both sites ctglf and cpice,,,,,none have any merit,,,thx
guess i am off topic,,,your welcome to delete all the posts,,,,,,,as its all nonsense anyway,,,,in fact you could do me the fine service of deleting message 150 on the cpice board,,,,way off topic and also not neccessary,,,,thx mat or radar,,,,,,,,,the rest was effort to get off topic pic/propaganda off moderators posts,,,,
Doug ,,,thx my friend,,,you are always enigmatic,,,,out one day and back in the next,,WOW,,,,,,,good luck as always,,,,,,stephen
BTW,,,,,,,,BRVO responding well to some profit taking,,,,the industry gives these companies a multiple of 4 to 5 times revenues,,,bravo forcasts 70 million on the low side and 100 million on the high side with present capacity constraints,,,do not be surprised by upside surprises with this company,,and its partner ship with Coke and the best distribution system in the world, indeed better than walmart,,,,,,,,,,,pay attention this company already has a big brother opening doors in a more sophisticated market than the otc.bb,,and its links with marvel comic characters is the HOOK with a theme of no refrigeration neccessary for shelf life and distribution,,,,,,,,,,,competition yes,,but a " monopoly" first entry of its kind into the market place,,,,,,,,,,,,,,you can not own enough shares for the future !!!!!
,,,,,when you have a reputation of intelligent commentary and you find it surpressed over off topic issues other than CTGLF,,,,one has to ask what politics is in play,,,particularly when its chinese stock,,,not french popular headlines and propaganda,,,,,,,,what do you think Mat,,,this too should be deleted ?,,,,how should we deal with ideoloques/dogma as moderators on this website ?
,,,,,,,,how much more are you going to surpress ville ????,,,my count is close to 5 already,,,,,,,if i dont get you my friend,, others will,,,,,,
,,,to those concerned about my deleted posts of CTGLF ,,,,please refer to CPICF on this board for uncensored commentary on CTGLF,,,,,
,,,perception and psychology is the primary driver of any company with decent fundamentals,,,,,the current noise on this site would discourage most players,,,,!!!!!!!! management has not helped ,,,,and most traders at heart here on this site have contributed nothing but noise,,,,,,this is not about you personally my friend,,,,,,,,just an overview of sentiment on site,,,,,,
,,,,,Alan i do not want to post on i-hub any longer,,,,i have decided after some 10 years and more than a few subscriptions from clients as a market timer not an investment advisor,,,, to open my own website for INDEPENDENT RESEARCH NETWORK well known in my community but obscure nationally,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you know how to play the website game,,,,,,,give me some tips by email,,,please,,,,,,thx,, stephen
,,,,CTGLF finally have posted financials, and will survive as a public entity unlike CPICE,,,,,,,,,,,and all is okay with the company a year after reorgainization,,,,,,i do not care about daily life in these youngsters,,,,,,,,,,,good luck in teaching them how to trade short term,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,Ville if you want to be revolutionary ,,,,great,,,go for it,,,,but take your propaganda banner and pictures off the site,,,it is the wrong forum for your advocacy,,,,,,i have no view on it,,,except for it does not belong here,,,,put it in other propaganda forums,,,,,,this forum is about CTGLF,,,,not football or burning of autos in france,,,,we have other chat rooms for such banter,,,,people who show at this site either have a bet or will make one on CTGLF and are looking for info,,,,not social butterflys bored by the tape,,,,,,,,keep the sideline stuff to other sites PLEASE!!!!
,,,,Ville,,,,,,,,,such a fine young man as yourself,,,you became the moderator of this site ,, it gave you power over censorship,,,,and now your judgement of youth has no "shit detector" ,,,,and really trys the patience of wisdom,,you accomodate the prince and an alienate the "stogi" give us all a break,,,,,,,,this site does not have a mandate about democracy or free expression,,,it has a moderator to delete the nonsense about CTGLF, !!!!!!! concentrate on your studies and post when you want , but find a willing "investor" or "vet" not impatient traders to moderate out the nonsense,,,you need to study,,,,,,you need a better grade than you have the time to absorb the nuances that go on here,,,,,,
,,,hogs and dovdich do not present a bear case, with any background or legitimacy,,,,,they are nonsense,,,,,if people want to post legitmate bear arguments,,,,so be it,,,,,,,,none has ever been posted by these kind,,and they have had plenty of time to establish even an inkling of credibilty,,,,,its the moderators job on this kind of site to dump the garbage,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
,,,,,,,you are so funny JT ,,,,,,,,,,,,and its refreshing,,,,,,,,few bulls in the "china shop" are as promising as you are,!!!!!!!!!!!!!!keep pressing for answers !!!!!!
yes,,,,,,,congrats,,,,,,you got it !!!!!!!!!!!
,,,,remember everyone before
Fan they were "thieves",,,,,,,,,,,,,,,under sarbanes/ oxley getting rid of that barbage is very difficult to get auditors to agree on its disposition,,,,,,,,,,,,,!old news now !!!!!!!! get on with you lives,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,your a fraud "euoraven" and lucky !!!!!!!!!! twice,,,,maybe,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,very good JT,,,,,keep sniffing,,,,,,,
,,,Pay attention to Alan,,,,,,,,,,the blueprint of yesterday was burned into obselesence when the trading audience born with the internet turned into about a 45 million household audience,,,,you can do something significant for CTGLF if you learn to ARTICULATE the BULL CASE!!!!!!!!!and post it on blogging sites concerning China,,,,,,,,,it "WORKS" and is proliferating,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,,,,,,,,,,I for one would surely endorse that kind of attitude !!!!!!!!!!
,,,,,,to whom it concerns,,,,,,,we have an idiom here in america, that all are familiar with everyone !!!!,,,,,,,,,,,the opera is not over till the fat lady sings !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
,,,,,,,,,to whom it concerns,,,,,,,,,,those who have done their homework now understands the delay in financial filing,,,,those that do not,,,,should sell !!!!!!NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,"you only own a company you understand" technical analaysts aside,,,,!!!!!!!!!!!!
,,,,,,GOOD on YOU ,,,,Frank Fan,,,,,
,,,your the best,,,smoke one of those stogis for me,,,,maybe one day we will get a trend line going like AOB,,,,,,
,,,i would refer you to my post # 4714
,,,,time marches on my friend,,,,its also time to harvest our committment to the concept we bought into 2 years ago,,,,its important that you have enough shares to make the wait worthwhile,,,,
,,,VILLE,,,,,,i am going to take the chance that the following will not be taken personally but in the spirit of team work,,,,"Stogi" is the only shareholder i have met who is grounded and has a "shit detector" that works,,,,,this site needs a moderator that is a "vet" and knows the players since the beginning,,,,,,,,,,,i suggest you say and do whatever it takes to get him to agree to do it,,,
,,,ville you are a smart young man with a prosperous future,,,and your imput will always have the respect it deserves,,, JT ( the bull in the china-shop ) has a trait every forum can use, he is a go getter,,,and with time will learn to temper what is not productive,,,,,this shareholder group is a asset to CTGLF while it lies wounded with missteps,,,,,,,,but it needs a "shit detector" to moderate the jerks like hogs and dovidich and their kind,,,,the vets came to this site for that purpose only,,,and you need the "vets" for they know "facts" AND THE BULLSHIT from the beginning of the DFCT transformation into CTGLF,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,Finally if you all want to know the truth about the Prince of Thieves,,(he used a different id then,,ask him to give it up),,,go to the yahoo search engine and type in my id as "orchardlark" it will take you to the DFCT database,,,click on the first message and start reading for a couple of hours,,,, then you will know who said what and did what , as well as understand the first beginnings of CTGLF,,,,,,,,,,,the Prince is not quite as smart as he wants you to believe !!!!!
,,,,i would like to encourage one of you longs to step up to the plate and take on posters with flawed and wrong headed thinking,,,,,who will do that ?,,,who is going to step forward and articulate and defend the Bull case,,,,,,,there has never been an intelligent BEAR case presented on this site till Alan did earlier today,( and he is a long, what irony ) and basicly its simply a timeline of poor performance by american standards or anyones standard of Dr.Fan,,,,,,,,
the case for the bulls:
CTGLF is a "concept stock" concept in that its story has a hook and theme,,,, the HOOK is the concept of a MONOPOLY,,,and the theme is a mandate to build a national "BRAND" ,,,CTGLF legitimizes itself by its affiliation with the China Merchant Conglomerate which openly states on its website that the key players in its conglomerate are also the cadres that run the Ministry of Communications for all China,,,,,,,,,The monopolistic element is not that other competition can not exist in China,,but that all deals that must pass thru for approval under the Ministry jurisdiction , Dr. Fan can review those deals and get first rights to if he wants it,,,,unlike the thousands of companies with names no one heard of before,,and they are all a crap shoot,,,,CTGLF acquired a board of directors with credentials well known in Hong Kong society as the elite that reflect the CTGLF legitimacy,,,,Unless you lived in that community, you would not know these facts,, ,,,, in the banner above I outlined the strategic blueprint necessary to have a "Brand" in China,,,no other company claims that mandate,,,,and if you cannot recognize the blueprint above,,,,,you either have not done enough homework or you do not belong in the stock,,,,
,,Indeed it is speculative ,,,indeed Fan is running multiple companies ( not what venture capitalist likes, they want one baby per CEO to bust his ass over his one and only child ) indeed FAN`S performance with submissions please no one,,,,nevertheless allowing this mindless trashing ( totally uninformed bashing ) is not for this site,,,,this site is about informed information,,,,its about time the moderators get the ax out and do their job,,no one is interested in unsupported bullshit,,,,,,,,,,,90 percent of the people attracted to this site were traders drawn by the charts, expecting a pop soon, just like Macd 9 months ago, but he is a trader like most here are, but jumped ship and was not a true believer,,which is okay,,,,but another reason that Dr. Fan has disdain about people hiding under the unbrellla of shareholder,,when he knows they are just traders looking for a pop and playing the impatient primadona role over false issues,,, ,,,but MACD stayed around because of the same reason most of you did ,,,,you got the "concept",,,,,these are the kind of companies funded everyday by venture capitalists just on such concepts but different stories and hooks,,,,,some win and some lose,,,based on what i see so far,,,Fan is doing the job in China mandated by the PRC,,,,but has not developed the insight yet how to spread the sizzle of his concept to americans,,,99 percent of america is to lazy to do the homework on China,, so Fan has to provide that gap,,,,he does not know how,,,,if he pays me enough i will do it for him,,,,,,, Alan suggests to replace Fan,,, that is a fatal error,,,it is Fan whose Vision of a "Brand" for China that made CTGLF happen,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,come on guys if your going to stay long CTGLF ,,,,DEFEND YOUR TURF INTELLIGENTLY,,,,
,,,to whom it concerns,,,,,many of you may be in state of confusion with the current noise and drama around CTGLF,,,i understand as the noise is loud,,,,and the larger market also goes thru these same dynamics and noise,,, when your confused, pay attention to "STOGI", he is grounded to the larger view,,,"ALAN" is the best home gamer/trader on this site, and I hope he does not game you all first and tell you later,,,,"getmynaz" is the prototype of the new young "titan" of this market, and his money is where his mouth is, substantial !!!,,,
ville and jt are the new young pistols of their generation,,, their instincts are raw and correct, and only need time on the learning curve,,,,
,,, and all of you would be wiser to listen and respect the intuition of "lbotez",,,as in the end when all the noise of the markets scream for attention its those traders/investors with intuition that win the greatest reward,,
,,,and the rest of you, in various stages of the learning curve with good instincts, you all can win with focused "intention"
,,,and the bottom line is there is no substitute for doing your homework,,,,,,,,,,and as a result you all will have your moments in the sun,,,,ok enough already for the dynamics that govern the markets,,,,,,,stay alert out there,,,,,
,,,lets put it this way,,,,i am in compliance with the insider trading rules,,,,and when and if i feel my money and my clients money is not safe any longer with this company ,,you all will be informed,,,,that has always been my way,,,keeping you all informed to the best of my knowledge,,,,
,,,thanks for entering the truth again into the conversation and dialogue here,,,,,,,,i have had reason to believe this is the plight of CTGLF , for months,,,,,( the logic being the "hostile seller" (Horace, for those in the know) does not sell into the market like a greedy human being does naturally, and he is greedy,,,,(besides the numbers suggest he should have exahusted his inventory long ago),,,,the pressure on the stock has always felt like offshore short sellers for a long time and NITE the primary sponsor for CTGLF for the OTC.bb exchange knows and accomodates the action,,, there are few sophisticated enough to smell it,,,yet even expert traders like Alan does not accept the premise ,,,,,well anyway the time has arrived for me to verify it,, and i will find out !!!!,,,good luck guys,,,
,,,travelers to China note the abundance of birds singing in the parks and other notable places,,,,,,
,,,,to whom it concerns,,,,,hi folks,,,,today i have some news for you,,,last evening i received an invitation to go to Hong Kong for discussions,, details have not been scheduled , however if i go it will not be in the role of a shareholder ,,,but as an advisor,,,
,,,,as such i will be subject to insider trading rules,,,,therefore unable to tell you what i know,,,,,sorry its the rules,,,,however many of you have read my body of work on this site and the yahoo site as orchardlark,,,,, like in this country when things breakdown, people call the repair man,,,they do that in China as well,,, just slower sometimes,,,if you believe i can fix whats broken, then i suggest you hold on to your shares awhile,,,,,understanding that the remedies will not come quickly,,but will come,,,good luck to all with your choices,,,,,,
,,,JT,,,,,Alan is accurate,,,," it is not that gloomy " however well intentioned you are ,,,you can not help them,,,,they only can help themselves by taking on a western advisor/consultant/spokesperson that they trust to guide them out of the ditch they have created for themselves,,,,,,,( the company is doing just fine )
,,,no a typical PR firm will rip them off just like alan stone did,,,,they did not do the job represented,,,,thats why Frank fired them,,,,,
,,,and the Chinese will not hire a boiler room accounting firm to do this job,,,,,,,,,,,
,,,young and energetic you are JT,,,and you are not pursuing things that will work !!!!!
,,,The short answer to that aquafuture is SARBANES/OXLEY,,,,,it is a bloody high bar to jump,,,,,and when Fan worked for Union Bank and China Merchant Group as the CFO,,,,he did not have to clear that high of a bar,,,,,,,,,,,,,he is learning the hard way at shareholder expense,,,,its a tough learning curve,,,,
,,,,it is not an easy decision Doug,,,,you have been in this stock with me now for couple of years,,,,,if the market has been good to you , maybe the write off will be of some compensation,,,,,
,,,, whether the stock will drop to the sub-penny level is problematic,,,,when the stock was a shell it traded at .30 with 427,000 dollars as its asset,,,,,
,,,,for Fan the way out of his problems is not that difficult,,,he just does not know the way,,,and so far he has refused council by those who know the way,,,,,its simple he is an ideologue and believes the chinese way will work,,,and it will not !!!! ,,,,,reorganizations/reverse mergers have their silent rules in our market place,,,,it has been that way for 25 years,,,and the same rules of the street exist now as then,,,,,
... I have offered my services,,,,but have attached a fee that will insure that the board tell me the truth and then follow my recommendations,,,,,,,so far ,,,no sale,,,
,,,BTW,,,the last thing Fan wants to hear from me now is " I TOLD YOU SO ",,,,,,
,,,,you need to get grounded JT,,,,i understand your where your coming from,,,,,,,there is no auditing firm that can bail out the company at this juncture,,,,,first and foremost it is obvious now that Fan has not been able to produce the documentation neccessary to pass Sarbanes/Oxley,,,,,,this is the second accounting firm that has refused to certify them,,,and the excuse the company used to dismiss the first one was " the white lie " in fact they were very qualified to audit according to Sarbanes/Oxley,,,,,,,,,the company will be delisted,,,,the question is how long Dr. Fan refuses to get competent American experts on these small companies and show him the road out of his troubles,,,,,I have had a offer to him for over a year now,,,and now maybe this set back will encourage him to review and take it under advisement with his board and act upon my submission,,,,,,
,,,no need to ask about the offer as those things are always confidential to the company management and board of directors,,,,
,,,will see what happens,,,
,,,to whom it concerns,,,,bad news and good news
,,,the e-mail sent today has been confirmed authentic by the auditors
,,,that is the bad news,,,,,
,,, the good news is this will shake things up,,,,as long as the stock trades somewhere and the company stays on a growth trend and continue to reach stated milestones, the difference between the pink sheets and otc very slight,,,
,,,personally i do not like what has happened, but,,it just might be the right "wake up call" to management to change there attitudes,,,,
,,,you all have to bite the bullet now and make tough decisions !!!!
,,,whats the problem,,,,,,415 381 8636
,,,,i would rather have some ---holes short 5 million shares,,,
,,,its true,,,,it is also an open invitation for offshore short operations to play their games,,,,,,one never knows how smart the MM`s in keeping cheap stock out of their reach,,,,,,for all we know we may see a desperate short covering soon,,,,
,,,,actually i am happy it was not you hogs,,,,,,,now the short possibility is in play,,,,