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Wow Susie did that take you long to come up with?
Ok I do like your dog. I was just being mean ;O)~
"It is impossible to ignore the extent to which civilization is built up on renunciation of instinctual gratification, the degree to which the existence of civilization presupposes the non-gratification of powerful instinctual energies."
Fraud.
Ahh Fraud again yet another romanticist. Well then you of all people should understand and readily accept the ‘death wish’.
What you wanna piece o me!...lol! ;O)~
Geeze how many time did I misspell Noble?
Sorry Zoro I really didn't mean to direct this at you specifically.
This illusion of a Noble Savage has infiltrated our thought process bastardized our perceptions of reality causing us to proceed upon false notions of self loathing guilt when in fact it dates back to Tacticus and then more recently Rousseau as a method of distinguishing and controlling the classes. The peasant, the common folk, we are the Noble Savage not the American Indians. The great romanticist Rousseau argued that scientific advance had not improved the species and offered up primitivism. Voltaire argued that Rousseau "wanted us to walk on all four and behave like savages believing them creatures of perfection."
Then low and behold the American Indian came along and the Noble Savage was a real thing. Rousseau's romanticism and critique of class coupled with the discovery of what was simply an ‘idea’ inspired the first utopias. I.e communist societies
The Nobel Savage is simply an abstraction. And as I said previously it has done nothing but subjugate. We experienced this in America during the sixties and we still pay for it today. The rail against society, the social and economical elite versus the middle and lower class citizen, how do we maintain and control and stop the masses from taking our power and wealth and the march towards primitivism. That is what the Noble Savage is all about.
The rejection of the graces and luxuries of civilized existence, the rejection of morality by claiming humans to be amoral creatures not worthy of being the material for "building a society or running a government" was Rousseau's social contract with the people. The American Indian was used to perpetrate an illusion dating back over 17 centuries.
I'm sick of hearing how we destroyed the NA. You know what It's a damn good thing we did cause you, me, none of us would be experiencing the wonderful life we live today had we not.
Yesterday the reference to the 'Nobel Savage' was made and it simply couldn't be further from the truth. Indians were just as big war mongers as the rest of us and our past is that of imperialism.
LIVE WITH IT CAUSE YOU SURE AS HELL BENIFIT FROM IT EACH AND EVERY DAY!
The Indians were no different. They took lands not for money, but for natural resources and slaves.
We took America from the Brits where is your outrage and drumbeat of giving it back. We took land from Mexico BY FORCE where is the outcry to give it back. We took, we took, and we took and now we reap the benefits. You reap the benefits. ALL OF US!
STOP HATING AMERICA OR GIVE EAVERYTHING YOU HAVE AND I MEAN EVERYTHING TO THE NEAREST INDIAN AND GET THE HELL OUT.
Good luck finding a country with no history of imperialism though.
I am a native American. NO I am not an Indian but yes I was born on American soil and thus am a native to this country. I’ll bet you were too.
I will not feel guilty for what my ancestors did to provide the incredible life of opportunity and freedom that ALL OF US ENJOY TODAY. I don’t care what anybody thinks.
Not true. The Jewish people were simply scattered throughout many different nations.
Had to let my salesman go....
with a reputation of a 'million dollar man' you'd figure he'd close more than 7.5% of the leads I provided him, maybe even provide a few leads of his own too.. There are only a handful of 'mdm' in my industry. Heck I haven't broken 400k yet myself. Anyway after 6 months, free gas, a small monthly salary and what do I get in return???
Now if he'd spent more time selling than talking online with Susie then maybe....
It's entirely your fault Susie!
By Donna Leinwand, USA TODAY
The San Francisco metropolitan area has a higher percentage of people who are regular drug users than any other major metropolitan area in the USA, a study from the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found.
Nearly 13% of San Francisco residents reported using some type of illicit drug, such as marijuana, cocaine or heroin, in the previous month, according to data from the National Surveys on Drug Use and Health 2002-05. The national average is 8.1%.
Other areas with drug-abuse rates higher than the national average included Seattle, 9.6%; Detroit, 9.5%; Philadelphia, 9.1%; and Boston, 8.5%. Cities with the lowest drug use: Houston, 6.2%; and Washington, Dallas and Riverside/San Bernardino, Calif., all at 6.5%.
California has decriminalized marijuana for people with health problems. The state's voters passed Proposition 215 in 1996 to allow seriously ill state residents to possess and use marijuana with a doctor's prescription. In San Francisco, police and prosecutors accept a medical-marijuana identification card as proof that a resident can possess and use marijuana.
"The fact that state law allows the use of medical marijuana and that we have a population with a high rate of AIDS that might need to use medical marijuana may contribute to the rates," says Alice Gleghorn, deputy director of community behavioral health services in San Francisco's Department of Public Health. "We do have a cultural regional norm with regard to medical-marijuana use."
The coastal area north of San Francisco, included in the study as part of the metropolitan area, is known as a popular marijuana growing spot.
"Where marijuana is very accessible, you're going to get higher use," Gleghorn says.
San Francisco focuses its prevention and treatment efforts on heroin, methamphetamine and cocaine, she says.
Chicago, at 25.7%, and Houston, at 25.6%, have the highest rates of binge drinking in the country. Nationwide, 22.7% of people reported binge drinking in the previous month, defined by the study as having five or more drinks on one occasion. Other areas with rates higher than the national average are Philadelphia, Detroit, Boston, San Francisco and Phoenix.
Nationwide, about one quarter of the population smokes cigarettes regularly. Only Detroit significantly exceeded the national average, with 27.4% of its residents reporting that they smoked cigarettes in the previous month, the study found. California's biggest cities had the lowest smoking rates, with 17.9% of people in San Francisco and Los Angeles and 19.2% in Riverside reporting previous-month use, the study found.
Beverly Watts Davis, senior adviser for substance-abuse prevention for SAMHSA, says local prevention coalitions should use the data to help focus their programs.
"If they can pinpoint what's going on where and why, it really helps them plan better to know where resources should be allocated," she said.
Posted 1/7/2007 11:11 PM ET
Olmert Admits That Lebanon, Gaza Pullouts Didn't Work
By Julie Stahl
CNSNews.com Jerusalem Bureau Chief
January 09, 2007
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert now admits that Israeli's unilateral withdrawal from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip did not work.
In an interview with the Chinese news agency Xinhua, Olmert said he believes in the establishment of a Palestinian state, which will require Israel to withdraw from large parts of the West Bank. But he said he does not believe such a move can be made unilaterally.
"A year ago, I believed that we would be able to do this unilaterally," Olmert was quoted as saying. "However, it should be said that our experience in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip is not encouraging. We pulled out of Lebanon unilaterally, and see what happened. We pulled out of the Gaza Strip completely, to the international border, and every day they are firing Kassam rockets at Israelis."
Israel withdrew its troops from a buffer zone in southern Lebanon in 2000, leaving a vacuum that was filled by the Iranian-backed Hizballah. Hizballah launched more than 4,000 rockets at northern Israel during a 34-day war this summer.
Israel uprooted 21 Jewish communities and withdrew all of its troops from the Gaza Strip in the summer of 2005, leaving a vacuum that has been filled by Hamas, which openly calls for the destruction of Israel.
Less than a year ago, Olmert campaigned on what he called his "convergence plan," indicating that he would set Israel's permanent borders -- with or without an agreement with the Palestinians. At the time, he said he was willing to uproot tens of thousands of Israelis from the West Bank.
But given Israel's experiences in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, he said, "it would be more practical to achieve a two-state solution through negotiations rather than [unilateral] withdrawal."
Olmert arrived in China on Tuesday for a three-day official visit. According to reports, discussions will focus on economic cooperation and Iran's nuclear program.
Will Israel strike Iran? Take the poll..
http://www.savage-productions.com/webpoll_Israel_Iran.html
It sure does.
This is where you slip from scientific method to a metaphysical one….
Scientifically, yes it is.
Once again with the psychobabble...
There is nothing emotional about my argument what so ever. Women cannot be the sole foundation of creation. As far as I know I have yet to hear of one producing offspring asexually. Without mans donation the female creates useless eggs.
Men as possessors imply subjugation and could not be further from the truth. Despite the vessel in which the creation is carried the man has still participated in the creation and thus is a mutual ‘possessor’ of that creation. Unlike popular belief possession is not 9/10ths of the law.
This is where you and I differ in beliefs and instead of simply agreeing to disagree you try slapping me with Freudian psychoanalysis as a way to discredit my argument. This method is extremely dishonest and as of yet you have not claimed a degree in psychology so you really have neither credibility nor authority in making your tabletop diagnosis.
If this is where you're going I'll let you fantasize about cocaine, and sex with your mother alone, thank you very much. As for me, I think Freud was a fraud.
Before I answer, where are you going with this?
Absolutely. When the two haploids combine ,"A basic trait or set of traits that define and establish the character of something:" now exists.
Apples and oranges.
I don't understand your post.
Ok finally...
"Responsibility? Culturally determined."
Again, I disagree. You can justify anything under culture change that still does not detour from that fact the father has parental rights at point of conception...
I guess this is where you get your "depends" answer towards interest. However even this is wrong as today’s culture has the courts making the male entirely responsible with absolutely no say in the process. Men have had to sue women forcing them to carry the baby to term so the father could raise his offspring. There are many of these cases. We are now back with the women’s right to choose argument, which totally seems to trump the father’s parental rights according to you.
"The creation begins a conception."
And so do the father rights to his child...
Stop dancing around the issue.. You claim the father after donation has no parental rights, and I claim the exact opposite. You claim the man has no role unless the woman dictates one, and I argue the man has an immediate role and one that lasts despite circumstance of culture.
So where am I missing you dw?
And if modern culture is your justification for abortion which IS what we are discussing then again I find your argument lacking.
"Apparently you confuse religion with spirituality."
Hardly
..You say religion and science do not correlate while spirituality does. But what I see you doing is using a hodgepodge of all three, while making your case. In doing so, you neglect the key issues not adhering to your opinion. If you're going to make the natural argument, then stay within those contexts. If you're going to throw out the metaphysical argument then again to that context you must adhere.
Not stop dancing and answer the question in context.
When does science say the two haploids become a viable life entity?
Go shoot your bb gun
Agreed
Nature, 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998
"Leading Scientists Still Reject God"
A recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.
Survey answers among "greater" scientists %
NAS
members 7%
21%
72%
belief in God agnostic atheists
Belief in personal God 1998
Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8
Belief in human immortality 1998
Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3
" Despite such affirmations, however, 55% of scientists hold a naturalistic and atheistic position on the origins of man, according to the random survey of 1000 persons listed in the 1995 American Men and Women of Science.
http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/rncse_content/vol17/5319_many_scientists_see_god39s__12_30_1899.asp
" Brights constitute 60% of American scientists, and a stunning 93% of those scientists good enough to be elected to the elite National Academy of Sciences (equivalent to Fellows of the Royal Society) are brights. "What on earth is a bright?" And then you're away: "A bright is a person whose world view is free of supernatural and mystical elements. The ethics and actions of a bright are based on a naturalistic world view."
"You mean a bright is an atheist?"
"Well, some brights are happy to call themselves atheists. Some brights call themselves agnostics. Some call themselves humanists, some free thinkers. But all brights have a world view that is free of supernaturalism and mysticism."
Most scientists are atheists
From 10 myths -- and 10 truths -- about atheism in the Los Angeles Times.
Most polls show that about 90% of the general public believes in a personal God; yet 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences do not.
5) Atheism has no connection to science.
Although it is possible to be a scientist and still believe in God — as some scientists seem to manage it — there is no question that an engagement with scientific thinking tends to erode, rather than support, religious faith. Taking the U.S. population as an example: Most polls show that about 90% of the general public believes in a personal God; yet 93% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences do not. This suggests that there are few modes of thinking less congenial to religious faith than science is.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-harris24dec24,0,3994298.story?coll=la-opinion-rightrail
Iraq in the 80's bud
The BLU-82 was originally designed to clear helicopter landing zones and artillery emplacements in Vietnam. Eleven BLU-82s were dropped during the 1991 Gulf War, all from Special Operations C-130s. The initial drops were believed to be intended to test the ability of the bomb to clear or breach mine fields;[1] however no reliable assessments of mine clearing effectiveness are publicly available. Later, bombs were dropped as much for their psychological effect as for their anti-personnel effects.[2] The US Air Force dropped several BLU-82s during the campaign to destroy the Taliban and al-Qaeda terror networks in Afghanistan to attack and demoralize personnel and to destroy underground and cave-complexes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLU-82
"as those people are called scientists."
60% of the scientific community are indeed atheists. I could post the link but why...
"So what religion drops bombs and fires missiles?"
You mean besides Islam?
"Didn't his evil god give him advice to start the war?"
You think God is evil? Oh wait, Bushs God is not your God right. So you a polytheist?
Nice evaluation, too bad it's not accurate.
So again you argue for what you do not believe in?
Hate like judgment keeps us alive!
I thought religion was bunk crap for you death wizard? Let us then stick to the scientific definitions of conception less we not be hypocrites...
I know you're just using his religion against him but since you do not believe what you argue you have no case. Argue what you believe and that is science correct...
When does science say the two haploids become a viable life entity?
Stand by your words shall you. end
As your haploid cell theory suggests, it takes two to tango. Once conceived that baby is part of the father period! The father should have the right to protect his offspring who cares if it's in the mother’s body.
When the baby is planned why do the parents quit drinking and smoking before conceiving? Because the MOTHER AND FATHER want to give the soon to be new life the best possible start it can. Protecting the baby before it's even conceived.
The father has the right to do and have more than just a financial obligation. Oh and the financial obligation argument in itself suggests that the father has a greater role than merely sperm donation...
I'm sorry Zoro, each state is sovereign and could kick the federal government out any time they wanted to. How many states already allow actions that are considered crimes by federal law...Oregon’s assisted suicide As well as all the medical marijuana laws readily come to mind.. Isn’t Arizona passing legislation to stem illegal immigration? Didn’t two democratic senators get Bill Clinton to sign legislation to build a wall along the Arizona border during his administration?(yes) He signed the bill but did anything get done…no!
But as you suggest its all Bushes fault. Our local governments can protect the citizens from the federal government on these issues but are powerless to protect us against the insurgency of illegal immigration..Because of Bush.
Question: Why is not your hero Pelosi fighting the insurgency of illegal immigrants? Answer it’s Bushes fault right….
So far I haven't seen a good argument for abortion.
Population control...bunk. What good is controlling our population when other countries especially third world countries do not? This is just the slow eradication of the white race. Check the statistics and you'll see that minorities here in America do not get abortions anywhere close to the numbers of white females...NWO population control??? Someone needs to get a clue. America’s population is nothing compared to the populations say of maybe China...
Rape and Incest...what 1-2% of all abortion cases..Ok lets just say this is an ok practice… why...To hide the families or victims shame? This one is too obvious to even comment on... once again bunk.
The women’s right to choose...Ok lets examine that one. I am a woman and I want the right to choose to be a baby killer or not. The biggest reason I want this choice is a failsafe option should my birth control fail during one of my promiscuous escapades. Yeah I could practice abstinence before marriage but that would eliminate my rights to sexual liberation...Oh wait a second what do we call men that choose sexual liberation?? dogs? So the women’s right to choose equals her right to be a slut and use abortion as birth control, or not....That a good reason to kill babies all right.
Oh and the spilling of sperm. Well the only 'rule' if you'd call it one was of course in the Bible where the spilling of sperm was an act of deception. This act of deception the reason behind the spilling was the crime not the spilling in itself...Sperm in itself is not a baby neither is a female’s egg. More eggs and sperm are flushed down the toilet each and every day than ever could be via the hand method. Once again the hand method is a form of abstinence. How many people have become pregnant through self satisfaction?
Spontaneous abortion...This is the protection of the mother argument and nature has already provided a method to keep the mother safe. If a fetus is harmful to the mother the chances of her self aborting are in the 99 percentile range. The 1% that do not or are in late term, the baby can be saved through cesarean in most cases. There are cases when it is necessary to remove the fetus or the mother dies, but at less than 1% of the time this reason is also bunk...
Now we should begin the "when does life start" argument...I can't wait to hear them...
Have you figured out that more Americans die in California and New York each month, than have died in Iraq since we've been there?
It took a five minute google search to find out that in California 85% of all homicides were committed by Hispanics with 65% of those being illegal aliens. # are from 2005 statistic’s report from California state website. 2005 being earliest #’s posted
When do you plan on attacking the insurgency here in America? Oh and those that are responsible. I'd start with the governors and senators of those states.