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For those very few who still hold a grain of hope that something, anything will come from this sordid mess, you have to ask yourselves why Chile as a country would want to open even reopen PANDORA's box on such a case as this. Yes there could be corruption involved on many fronts but ask yourselves how JL and his band of merry little miners came to make their claims to Amerilos without laying a pick to stone or doing any surveying among all the other attributes involved in the art of mining and geology?
A very wise poster herein stated a long long while ago that when you steal something from someone it will eventually be stolen from you.
As long as the sale by Villar, the supposed mining agent is recognized by the legal forums in Chile, there is no open discussion .
You get to sell something once, usually!
I really do not mean to be negative here as I have a sizeable position but I will.
If Lopehandia's evidence wasn't so flimsy we would be in a whole different position a long time ago.
Trouble is regardless of how strong the evidence and history was/is the power on the other side places and invents their own evidence with bribes to invent and place that evidence with credible back stories.
Sort of like snakes and ladders.
The light dims with every toss of the legal dice.
Down the ladder yet again.
The only thing that keeps me on the sidelines looking in is the performance of Barrick in Chile over the years........criminally negligent. Total disregard for any consideration of rules and reporting on permit performances.
Therefore "Chile" how do we kick Barrick's ass .......... MINA PASCUA TITLES.
WHERE ARE THEY, SHOW THEM IF YOU HAVE THEM?
JRL could you please explain the high significance of Llanos being a pigmy in the beginning regarding his testimony in C1912-2001 where he did not know CMN/Barrick.
Why was this significant at that time in order to make point as to why his claims were validated and overlaid Tesoros to Amerilos ?
He was a fixed plant by Lil / Emery to cause the original Amerilos to be canceled out in favor of identical UTM's on his Tesoros.
Has anyone in your extensive legal team ever done a chronological order on all the activites and the players involved?
In the latest questioning on your deposition, why was the claim and press release by CMN / Barrick that the properties being contested had no value nor bearing on their Pascua Lama project?
If that were the case it would certainly diminish any values to your claims as these were never measured?
As this rolls out that statement would be an utter lie on their part or am I completely wrong? Or did I miss something HUGE?
Millions were paid to MSX by/through this Housego/Crystal Wealth managing person and the loan obviously went sour as MSX is gone bye bye !
Housego has/had 15 years to repay the funds or he faces the firing line.
The info does not state it was MSX only a mining company so the audit would "likely indicate" it was MSX.
In the closure of Crystal Wealth filings in Ontario MountainStarGold is mentioned.
Where did the money or who did the money go to and how much was used for legal costs and how much went to JRL???
How much was paid to the finder and who was the actual finder of these monies?
ANY RELATION or other to MSX?
Perhaps an audit will never be required.
https://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/industry-news/bcsc-bans-ex-pm-for-suitability-failures-involving-gold-investments/357264
https://www.wealthprofessional.ca/news/industry-news/bcsc-bans-ex-pm-for-suitability-failures-involving-gold-investments/357264
Rocco is going to call in sick!
As the facts are dissolved in this dark brine of clarity in the Lopehandia claims in the Mina Pascua Story it becomes somewhat evident that a story so poorly conceived and pieced together in its beginnings can have no positive ending..........................for anyone!
Deceased
Lived 1994-2022
Rest in peace
Mea Culpa...... Mea Culpa ..... Mea Culpa .......forgive me father for I have sinned.
Punish me severely for my lust for easy LUCRE.
The lure of GOLD is yet again the failings of men.
movie at 11:00
JRLopehandia any clarifications missed in your deposition re the following posted by poster on stockhouse and reflects much of this posters views
from stockhouse :
RE:JL Deposition Chapter 7
deposition questions.
I find after reading the whole of JRL’s deposition I have many questions that have not been adequately answered. I’m not sure MT if you have answers to some of my questions that precede 2010? Perhaps I’m not alone in wanting answers.
Does JRL really have some divine right of discovery of Amarillos Sur and Norte for the metallic rights, because of how Amarillos 1-3000 was registered by Barrick? ( this seems almost laughable! )Why was Villar allowed to sell these areas with Moreno’s if they were so important to JRL? If these areas were so important to JRL why did he rely on a handshake with John Lill only, and not get the agreement re surveying the properties in writing? What contractural agreement did JRL have with Villar? He always referred to Villar as his client…but Villar, according to Moreno, was his client. The Villar sale of these properties was never overturned in any court in Chile, so JRL’s claim must be false?
What are the names at the inception of C1912-2001, ( plaintiff and lawyer) ( I can only find Villar’s name on the list of litigants opposing CMN). JRL always says it was he who placed the injunction on the properties, but in the end he was found to be no part of C1912-2001?
Magistrate Reyes Kokisch in 2006….Her decision was apparently necessary for JRL to get the Vallenar Conservator of Mines to make a statement in JRL’s favor re ownership of the properties in question? Was her decisin only overturned for a legal technicality of how and when Barrick was notified? If it was only overturned for a legal technicality, why was the original premise of her judgement not supported by the Chilean Courts? Could this have been appealed by JRL, and if so, why was it not? When and on what date was Kokisch’s verdict overturned?
If JRL says Kokisch isn’t important, and JRL had some strange divine right as first discoverer…why has he never been able to prove this in a court of law in Chile? ( I know the answer to this must be his claim is false.)
JRL states it was not okay for Llanos to have had a verbal agreement between CMN in Chile to define his employee status. Here we are many years later, and he says it is good for him to have a verbal ongoing extension of the Option Agreement with MSX, not supported by clean titles. ( again…to leave him free of any responsibility to MSX shareholders or to escape a lawsuit or potential criminal prosecution? )
Is it becoming increasingly apparent to many…JRL has an ability to absolve himself of all quilt, ownership of actions, and activity that could be viewed as fraudulent, in order to twist the storyline to what he perceives benefits him? All the while is he hanging out to dry BJ/ MSX and possibly a few of his current and past lawyers?
Has the spider entangled himself in his own ever growing, deviously spun web? Such bluster, evasiveness, and over the top hyperbole full of crazy conspiracy theories, could not have won him any fans during his deposition.
I will await the the testimony of the other witnesses, and look forward to the ruling at the conclusion of this trial.
Well if you know who this is you should also know that this poster in a moment of poor judgement invested in MWR looking to get his mother some new teeth. I use the words poor in that I had "INVESTED" SIZEABLE SUMS " on my own and had others add to these sizeable sums in a story that has brought nothing, absolutely nothing, especially any kind of a return on these monies. In the very least if one looks at SLW/WPM over the last 15 years there are positive returns to compensate from the funds lost in MWR/MSX.
Stock in MWR/MSX was written off to offset the gains in SLW/WPM......ouch!
The only pleasure in this story is/was in the buffoonery posted over the years.
Perhaps we may still dispose of the pain in a stupid very stupid decision taken and go after you and the management of a now defunct company, but of course there is no value there of any kind only more losses.
Live stupid/die stupid!
movie at 11:00
Like the Donald Trump the last Election was stolen from him and the Republicans.
Barrick/Luksic and Soros had to be involved............somehow.
There is no equitable exit that would have a significant ending to the Lopehandia claim cases nor the CMN/Barrick defense to these multitudes of spitball offenses.
All Parties are guilty culpable of lies and deceit over an extended period.
movie at 11:00
Judging by many answers given by JRL it is my own opinion there is a lot more to be concerned about as to where we were than where we are going.
Many answers to facts requested are weak and vague, but then I am not a Chilean Legal afficionado.
I can just only imagine what the family conversations were like when the Claro Lawyers got home.
The WORLD IS SURELY HEADED FOR A CATHASTROPHY THE END IS NEAR.
Time to head to the ALTERNATE UNIVERSE !
JRL vs Claro Ossa:
Laura Phyllis María Emery is a criminal lawyer who, as Head of Barrick's legal department, sued the national judge María Isabel Reyes Kokisch with false testimonies in 2007 and 2010. In 2007 in civil matters, in a case in which Claro and Company defrauded me and the judge here in Canada by giving false information, because the judge, as I explained, was acquitted by the Supreme Court in 2008 saying that she had acted in her place and Claro y Compañía and Felipe Ossa came to say to Canada that the judge was practically a criminal entity, a swindler and that she had been sanctioned in the Court of Appeals and the trial had been removed and in 2010 another sentence was handed down.
The sentence of 2010 was stolen because if the Supreme Court in 2008 says "Call to hear sentence", the sentences are not reopened, but they reopened it in fraud, in bribery: they paid Villar's lawyer to let him be and they reopened the process but how did they reopen the 2010 process? Determining that Héctor Mardoqueo Unda Llanos is extraparte, he does not know CMN S.A., he does not know CMN Limitada, he does not know CMN SpA, he does not know Barrick, he has never met them; however, in 2012 in case 719 of 2011, as I find them without titles and the [treaties] of Minera Nevada, Limited and SpA, the judge calls them, tells him "The titles" "Your Honor, the titles do not exist" "What? What deal do you have with the incumbent?" "Your Honor, there is no written agreement with the owner" "What contract do you have with the owner?" "Your Honor, there is no contract" "And what do they have?" "A word agreement". In other words, that Felipe Ossa Guzmán invented evidence to come to authenticate a verbal agreement in Canada, that is the Barrick transaction that he came to put here. He came to tell Felipe Ossa that Barrick had bought Tesoros and owned Tesoros with CMN SpA.
He cuts it a little bit. Because the affidavit, or sworn statement, of Felipe Ossa was born on May 30, 2017 and Barrick with CMN SpA disposed of the concessions from Héctor Mardoqueo Unda Llanos
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LOPEHANDIA c. CLARO AND CIA.
Treasures in 2018, one year later. As my father used to say "Don't lie or steal because the liar is caught super fast and the thief too" and what Barrick did was hire a liar to steal the titles of Mina Pascua Chile. Lama doesn't interest me because Lama is an Argentine hick, Lama is a binational scam, Lama is pedregales, Lama is the way in which the Barrick Gold Corporation swindled the Chilean system and the Chilean presidency by saying it was a binational project and it never was.
So, you have to be very careful in the form and substance in which Claro y Compañía acted in Chile in the first instance, in putting a totally false affidavit, only in English and depriving me of being able to know how this originated in Spanish, where The evidence came, what were the words in pure Spanish that were translated into champurreado English, because Felipe Ossa's affidavit is champurreado English that has no legal meaning. And I complain, I absolutely complain that the lawyer went to a notary public in Chile as a lawyer and that he notarized only in English and not in Spanish, and that he did not endorse the evidence that is being used in courts of law. In order for the Insurance Commission to use the evidence that Felipe Ossa produced and accuse me of being a criminal here today, in a factum that will be presented on September 22, in 15 more days or 17 more days. In that factum, Felipe Ossa appears as the expert lawyer in Chilean mining legislation who came to say that Barrick is the owner of the titles forever with the Nevada mining company in Chile.
In Canada they call it CBN, in Chile they call it Minera Nevada, but it turns out that h
JRL there are over 100 pages of question and answers on the court site in the Spanish language. These are on your latest deposition.
Could you Please have these translated for us X-shareholders in MSX so we can compare notes on the soon to be posted MTSTACK version.
Make sure the court had it right before you do the translation.
There could be an outside chance that these might be similar in content.
Tibbs
MTStack is one of those poor MWR/MSX ex-shareholders who were promised the returns of a lifetime from one Jorge Lopehandia. Likely an actual agreement was SIGNED but conditional on the legal claims being proven out in order to have funds available for the big payouts.
MTSTACK would like to be the first to throw the proverbial handful of soil on Lopenahdia's casket or was that a payloader of soil?
What I would like is to be in one those fund raising meetings to hear the Parlee re how things are really going.
I am working, almost finished on the fly-mike to be flown into one of their beer meetings.
I hear they all have to wear see through mess soccer shorts now, no tops, to check for wires from the BCSC agents.
Last I heard THE ANGELS got an invite along with assorted gangs from the lower mainland. Money has to come from somewhere to pay pay pay.
Hasta La Vista Baby
PSSST PSSST .......................we are almost there.
movie at 11:00
The price of precious metals is about to correct dramatically.
I have an order in to buy more WPM stock as any activity regarding any claim assertions if there are any negatives re the Barrick deal will take more lifetimes than I have to give.
If the sale by Villar is still and has always been on the books in Chile as valid what does that say regarding your claims?
If the register shows sold where is the Villar claim sale unsold and canceled.
an answer to this age old question would clear up a lot of questions.
Anyone have any knowledge as to the class action in Canada against Barrick and their false reports on Pascua Lama.It has been over 5 years now and nothing as far as I know.
US settled similar case for "an insured" $140 mil ?
Mike25 there is another option. A go fund me page might be appropriate.
If you could explain properly how the criminal sucking motion of MWR/MSX shareholder's investment monies canceled their old age care, the public may have some sympathy.
Even poor careless acts are sometimes forgiven.
Remember any of these:
We have already won!
We have very large investment dollars coming to get us up and running in the many millions.
Jorge has won awards and will use these funds to finance the legal efforts that will bring incarceration to the many guilty parties from all over the globe.
Jorge has another mine as big or bigger than the Mina Pascua deposits. We only need your funds to get it up and running. Send money today to lock in your share of these windfalls.
They go on and on into the chasm of despair.
Keep well Mikey, death will liberate us all from the hell that is Mina Pascua Chile.
Happy Sunday!
Insanity is usually progressive.
After 25 to 30 years of progressive delusion you be the judge.
Doctor Frankenmueller needs to be thorough in his examination of one Jorge R Lopehandia.
Look into the light, right into the light Mr. Lopehandia. What do you see?
I believe Torres asked for this to be done because if ever Jorge Lopehandia is requested to make an appearance out of court to speak to well sort of regular people...there has to be an explanation, valid and certified.
Juan Guillarmo Torres would know that his has to be done in order to have, well you know, some sort of reasoning for the ever expanding delusions.
I can not imagine 6 hours of JRL's xsplanning how the world earth got to be round!
movie at 11:00
As long as the sale by Villar "Lopehandia's mining agent" is still recognized on the books in Chile there is little to get excited about.
Sale good no MSX win.
Sale bad and rescinded........ there is hope.
Purchase Price paid by CMN 10,000 pesos buys little then as it buys nothing today.
Perhaps worth $1.35 today.
A Coffee $5.65 no sugar please!
CMN/Barrick are 3D printing court rulings as they are required right there in the courts before all eyes.
I swear your honor these are exact copies of REAL COURT Documents from previous rulings. Let us get these signed for you with the court seal!
Who's got the wax?
These are written up by Barrick's legal department with diligence as to the nature of "the ruling required".
Hard to fight this unless the plug to the printer is pulled and cut off.
Yes I know there is supposed to be a paper trail but not in Chilean courts.
We do not hear much about Luksic these days. Has he gone underground since his buddy Trump and family are no longer renters in Washington.
I wonder how Luksic voted on the new constitution proposed.
I think he wants to be the king of Chile.
Does he keep a picture of this royal group by his bedside?
We know the Trumper wants to be KING of the USA.
I need a brake from this sordid story ........ ohhh death cometh SOON to relieve these earthly woes!
movie at 11:00
Jorge Lopehandia gets a standing ovation by the members of the court in Chile on his latest deposition hearing.
Not for its content, but for it ending !
Any chance there will be a recording available to the public ?
5. Lama, Argentina
Capex: US$1.2bn
Production: Unknown
Barrick Gold is continuing to re-evaluate the potential of the Pascua-Lama project, which straddles the Chile-Argentina border, with a focus on the Argentine (Lama) deposit.
“A decision is expected in 2024 on whether Lama ... meets our investment criteria for development,” the company said in its 2021 annual report.
Don't mean to be a poophead but one has to recognize that after 15 years or so that Lopehandia's empty promises of succeeding in proving out his Mina Pascua Claims have resulted in NADDA. That means O,Zilch,nothing !
I try to imagine the faces of those poor legal souls in some dingy Chilean court room who after a heavy lunch have to listen to several hours of JL expounding on his case as well to report on those who have conjured and planned its demise in criminal nefarious actions.
Think Ted Cruz doing a Ted Cruz.................................uuuuuuggggggg!
movie at 11:00
Sources are always the key are they not Alice?
The only source I can think of for your reference to sources would come from one of the Jorge's to provide 'FASTLY" developing information.
After 15 years of false promises by Johnson et al JRL, 6 hours in any court is a blink of legalize and as far as Chile is concerned it is a merry go round of make believe!
PSSSST ...... PSSSST come over here ...............................let me tell you something
So they are saying the option agreement's time had run out and has never been renewed. Why would you need to renew an option that had no clear basis of existing ....... until certain legal matters were cleared up on the rights to the actual title ownership.
I believe I had questioned this a long time and was told the agreement had a verbal and a handshake like back in the good old days when a man's word was his pledge.
Please feel free to correct me at any point on any posts written herein.
If after 25 years your story has not advanced to any formal proof of your claims, I would suggest you should prepare and make arrangements for the afterlife as best you can.....clean things up for those you are leaving behind.
THIS ENTIRE STORY HAS GONE WAY PAST ITS BEST BEFORE DATE.
The polaroid picture of John Lill kneeling before Villar who had a certain appendage dangling has been stolen and destroyed.
The payoff to Villar was not the only thing Lill offered!
The sale was crucial to these proceedings and there my little friends is the focus of the beginning of the end !
When someone has seen their end nearing, their focus becomes very bright, very bright indeed.
The focus on this story gets dimmer every passing minute.
movie at 11:00 ..... now x rated
The sale by Villar to Lill of Barrick and subsequent activities by Emery and Llanos from CMN are at the crux of this entire story.
You really have the history of the Lopehandia MWR/Johnson history all wrong.
It was for all intent and purpose a unilateral decision by Johnson where with one MWR Board member funds were coerced from their familie's estates to fund the beginnings of the Lopehandia relationship.
The deep disdain for Barrick was in the forefront from the Fitzgerald saga.
MWR would have done and did anything to continue feeding this revenge disease. Lopehandia became a broken conduit in this need for revenge.
These ex board people are either passed on or under the influences of the many drugs available at the corner store on the lower BC mainland.
If ever written by someone for some outlet this story will be an exercise in futility.
Absolutely wrong on all counts.
These posts on the awards may have appeared as authored by Johnson but they were the results of JL's promotions using MSX Johnson as the conduit to get funds.
"JL signed agreements" with several individuals for this 3 for 1 quicky payback.Thus far as far as I know no one has been paid anything. Promises for a piece of the moon in exchange for patience if one can call it that.
This entire fiasco is laced with false promises.
Torres has no future in the CHILE LAW BUSINESS as the results of the multi litigations will prove out.
UNLESS he lays claim to the MOON.....still to come be assured.
Without malice:
Jorge please comment on the lies told by Johnson to shareholders regarding the court awards you won on three US $5,000,000.00 claims in the Chile courts.
These were all false were they not?
Did you instruct or threaten Johnson to state to shareholders that these awards were true in order to give credibility to get more funds with these in the background as guaranteed payback to those lenders.
Jorge you need professional help. I think it too late for you and all ex MSX shareholders.
If there is to be a psychiatric examination on your mental state to be used as some court evidence it will be all too revealing.
No where positive for any herein !
For MSX EX shareholders it has been over 15 years and the point the story is at is the same .... nowhere.
I wonder where this would all be if the burden of proof were to be presented at the outset of filing a case(s) in Chile.
If this is where Torres has gotten the story thus far I say we terminate his license to practice law anywhere.
I can not comprehend what framework of information could be presented to encourage folks to offer funds in these never ending legal snake and ladder games.
Speaking of lying to people what or how did you compensate those few who fell for the 3 for 1 cash returns in short order scheme? Was it two months and you will be paid threefold your input. Imagine the intelligence of these people. I think I know one who has now turned real mean on those who have perpetrated this lie.
Gullibility lives in the lower mainland no denying that!
Too much oxygen from the greenery. This will change as the world dries and burns up.
Newgold the new Chile constitution is of some concern if and when it is accepted.
Looks to me like the only game MSX has is in any favorable court ruling of what may have happened when and if !
The value of the lost deposit is looking less land less valuable as events erode the extraction of any mineral extraction from this project.
Do you think Barrick/CMN knew that all along. I am sure Villar did not when he made the deal with John Lill.
I have considered long shots in the past but this is looking more and more like a 6000 yard shot in strong winds to get a kill.
https://miningwatch.ca/blog/2022/8/30/canadian-mining-interests-chile-play-citizens-vote-new-constitution
NEWGOLD IF YOU KNOW
1.When is the BC appeal hearing date?
2. Is it still on?
3.Is Galati still living to be the lawyer for MSX
4.Where are the funds to pay Galati coming from?
5.If contacts to the underworld for investment monies are required let me know!
....many of these groups are looking for new ways to put their cash to work and this story may be of interest to some of these otherwise unavailable money sources. They could even bring a new leveraging scope to these proceedings.
Just a suggestion....................
So what you are saying is that we are all done here.
Wasted lives !
Hey NEWGOLD are we all done here.
No muns no funs !
Sadly some wasted lives.
Mike25 times are tough for MSX shareholders.
The powers have kept this going for so long there is nothing left to fight with.
So when someone tells you justice cost money big money they really mean it.
I tried to reserve a tent spot in the Vancouver East Hasting Palace grounds but was told the police had come in a did a clean up..... for now!
I am sure I recognize some faces in this photo if it opens.
Is that JRL in the beard sitting having his morning coffee?
https://lens.google.com/search?p=AV3Y9tDflH8j5LRLiCEmxhNgyhu5aqHuiJIbNzdK_MAtJTHxXJQmaNJusMy2VS7LyomMHYJ-zCHCZ944c4KY5vSur1HKWl8VeShLd12IoH20gxgh_ofnQWfeA8xd-uns0IiUFPAMWsNmS97tB5spUc57pkYMrl4O2KrxzsmVmGR3_SnJQUPwtK1NaBh5kOJb75Emz3xS2ucj3GN0U3W1fxkrRPi5lya_bWINmRuRu4UNpukS9eWiImsXzw%3D%3D&ep=gisb&hl=en-US#lns=W251bGwsbnVsbCxbMTc1NDksMzc0NTYsNDAwNzAsMjMxMzddLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLG51bGwsIkVrY0tKRFprTnpRNE9ERmlMV0V4TmpjdE5EUTJaaTA1TkRBMExUTmhPV0UzWkRZM01ERXhPQklmUVRBMWR6QnhSRmx1TUhkVVJVWkRjWGQ0VEhKTVVEZGhabUZqTTB0b1p3PT0iLG51bGwsbnVsbCxudWxsLDFd
The way things have been going for MSX shareholders is this the new residential palace for the group. Perhaps we should send a few ex shareholders over to be interviewed by the press prior to the OSSA hearing and send it in.
Not sure but someone said they already recognized some tenants !
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pacemaker battery kaput!