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Is that based on the fact sheet above? That was a/o 2014. According to financials 398M more stocks have been issued.
Anyone happen to know the current Float on this one?
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So according to the Tender offer, Worldwide is buying back up to 2.5B common shares after jumping through some hoops to present them with physical Certs.... To what end? re dilute this at .0003?
Currently with NITE sitting at the top of both the BID and the ASK with over 2M @.002 needed to move this thing up I think we are sitting here until new eyes are on it.
Man I look back here from time to time hoping and wishing..... Sad thing is some of us here knew the truth of the matter and still tried to make this thing work. If and when anyone brings a lawsuit against these jokers I still have all my correspondence, receipts, and conversation records... Hows it hangin Peach
Americans vote to change their leadership we do not revolt
thank you nabbbss i have run super short on time to follow the boards as of late. your input is greatly appreciated
anyone here still waiting on the divi of 1-1 ptel shares here?? i saw the headline that it was approved, yet i have still yet to be delivered anything tia
still a chance for some of those 9's??
thank you cruz i by far didn't sell off anything i couldn't miss. but the chance to make a couple bux was too tempting this time. I didn't get filled this morning, but if it comes that low i will be pleased if not then i will either take a few thousand share loss on my full position or move the money elsewhere.
this is all a game and we are the pawns. IMHO
i hope so i pulled the trigger on half my trading position yesterday in the 13's and orders are in from .095 down to .0875. either way i still have quite a few i accumulated at the 4's so i am ready to pull the trigger anytime on a buy if BR or SG say the report was false. Even if that means losing a little short term
Just MHO
imho i don't believe this shake is over yet.... as much as cici's post annoy me i believe it is more jealousy that he has been right more often that not. i expected to see .08...'s as well today.
GLTA Wamu'ers lets see a positive PR by EOD
not sure what your excuse is or where your appreciation for all the great due dilligence that has continued here since you obviously let your uninformed ignorence rule your trading strategy last
Hit it forr what you can. I only had 50 bux free trading money left 40 after ameriturd commision. but I will take an extra 6000 dollars when this is said and done
wooo hooo .15 just smacked
yeah a haaaaaaiiiiir too much beeer but the sentiment is real
wow and wow. you hit every point on the head and every concern in the chin.
I love my wamu family... even the muscle laden voodoo NJ i know you will make money too.
I almost cried reading your post steel.
May we all see justice.....
until then follow dons advice "be vigilant"
LOL Don I hope I don't fall in that category. I have prayed for a day when my parents would become whole again. (my dad just had 3x bypass last thursday) and this is more than welcomed.
That being said yes it seems falsely altruistic, but i don't want a super new investor coming in and not truly understanding what we have already been up against.
IMO we will come out of this on top, i am just worried this isn't quite it yet.
I am not going to argue the semantics of full control, as opposed to equity in, as opposed to shares(which is equity).
I have been here long enough to know that BR's little statement that "Nothings official" should be enough to give everyone here pause.
Plan accordingly. It amazes me that noone has bothered to mention how good we all felt before BR dropped the bomb 3/12... for all the great brains here touting that the "regurgetated" story is fact and not looking to what is precedent in this case.
My only issue to date was people pulling people in with the we get it all rhetoric since the beginning of this BK has in all likelyhood cost many more people money than the theft did IMO.
It will take many days to run this thing up and more solid news and proof to make these $1.00 and $2.00 predictions come true. On the flip side if BR opens his mouth one time and says negotiations have broken down we will be right back here in less than half a trading day and you longs know it.
Be realists Don we have talked about this and ou know my point i would hope.
it stated "give them shares in the reorg" not a big change. nowhere did it say we got full control.
Therefore i am not above thinking that another underhanded trick is at hand for BR, but the run to then will be nice to watch.
Any company with a share structure like ours would have to reevaluate that position. so for those of us holding a smaller number of shares I believe an exit strategy should be in place.
That being said I am moving another $10,000 in on monday A.M. to match the $1k i had available fri afternoon. .... wish i would have logged in at .05 but alas .074 is well worth the add.
Hey Jest, it was nice to see you and Kristal posting on one of my other picks really helped in confidence there as well. It will be a Juggernaut. That being said, can you shoot me a PM or an email at yahoo same name and give me an update here. I have not been following as closely as I used to, as i have what I have and can't justify any more.
My parents are curious and since I have been out of the loop it is hard to catch up to the 3000 or so posts i have missed.
TIA dshngmike1978
link to the Bing page with addresses and numbers
http://www.bing.com/local/default.aspx?what=smurfit+stone&where=St.+Louis%2c+Missouri&s_cid=ansPhBkYp01&mkt=en-us&ac=false&q=smurfit+stone&qpvt=smurfit+stone&FORM=LARE
i guess technically 3 are container corp sites was reading through fast
we have 5 here in St. Louis where corp headquarters is. I would love to see this tech come here. To heck with connoco.
That being sai I am glad to be back in this. I flipped many times over the last year waiting for the run up and unfortunately got caught with my pants down being too busy to moniter.
I will take my $1.70 buy in price and be very thankful either way.
I would have to do some math with that as I have not held a core position but I don't believe I have seen anything extra though my divi shares. I know that Ameriturd does not even list them as enti it just says N/A.
I have a question for the board. I have not held a true position on enti though I have bought in for each of the divis so far and have a sizeable amount of the restricted shares.
Will those be available for the 1 for 1 ptel divi???
well then that should be simple subpeona BR's phone records from 3/12 alone and compare them to the trading action that day and the court record. seeing as the action that day started 5 minutes before any word of a gsa was announced insider trading is evident
thats what it sounds like
No problems connecting though nothing is being said.
Download winamp here
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the free version is just fine and working.
Organizer is still not present
i am using winamp works fine
in a very limited attempt to create a discussion that hastouched on many points that have been discussed ad nauseum
nols are 100% ours. jpm took tarp funds and cannot have them. not to mention it is apparent they are profiting from this deal that should alleviate their need for them.
wmi deposit account in wmb is ours our capitol raised and planned for use before this debacle.
creditors recieve 60% on the dollar which is more than most collections companies are willing to settle for since the remaining "loss" can be written into future profit/loss writeoffs.
those with much more inside info than i can find the path from point a to point b ( proving A/L) and allow us to emerge from bk share structure intact.
this is just my humble opinion though.
that was my thought as well. whereas all the versions were just amendments to a plan. that plan is now denied. it is time to use solomans or whoever the ec can to submit their own por and move this thing forward. any wrap is a completely new plan and one could assume it would have to be confirmed as well right??
i say it is time to offer something that shows an alternate view not the shell game rosen is playing
hey uz i thought the timeframe for competing pors was long past?? or is there no opportunity to offer one while one is in play??
is this why we are on version 6.2.4??
so what then is the general concensus we are seeking now?? (that is a fair question right??)
if it is settlement..... share price makes a huge difference as it does when bidding to buy/take over a company. some posters predictions are ridiculous at our current price and structure.
however if trial is the end game... then no it doesn't mean near as much as each individual will recieve a percentage of the final judgement dependant on their holdings( some pre holders could still lose money if the figure isn't enough)
so do tell why is it beneficial to scare away new investors with 2 years worth of court documents and hostility??
you miss the point new money means a potential for new longs therefore making the "real" shares harder to come by then inevitably moving the price higher therefore increasing value.
am i the only one that remembers JMW's statement that it seems like it is trading so someone believes there is value. (this is not a direct quote).
not to mention new investors mean new eyes ears and mouths to discuss the atrocities of this case.
For the sake of argument would you settle for more money on a 6 cent stock or a 50 cent stock??? which one has more value to you.
i understand the end game is what people seek and ok. but share price and investor base is an ends to a means.
but then again thanks for proving my point. not even a newbie and i am attacked as a flipper for my opinion.
this was not a dig at any one poster individually. lets put it this way.
i have been a long here as long and longer than some aliases here. i only post when i am at an impass in understanding or i feel there is an agenda that is being played for personal gain( no offense fish i know you are fighting the good fight). that being said i get personally attacked for voicing what is my own opinion and or outright deleted.
a new investor is simply seeking a cursory view of the trends and possibilities in this case before making a decision to spend a week reading documents they know they won't understand.
Most the times scaring away a new investor thus locking our share price in with no new money coming in.
i agree the paid/ system analasis promotions that bring them here are a joke, but it does not mean they are not worth the time to welcome new investors and views.
believe it or not asking peoples opinions on known facts is a part of DD what people do with that is their own business.
i think that has nore to do with the fact that people here are fast to the trigger on newbies to call them bashers and whatever. this board no longer seems a free forum for new investors to seek answers to questions.
instead it is presented as a clicky club of full time bboard members who know all see all and don't need to be bothered by questions of the petty investor.
unfortunately this is all too familiar to the points we are trying to argue about those who wronged us in the first place
I think what people need to really see and focus on is this is an opinion based on this POR.
this does not mean that equity is not in the money. It means that though THJMW feels that if all the circumstances she laid out were properly valuated that would be the case.
We know there is more to come now. The POR is dead and so is the GSA for the moment.
Lets see what happens further since as i believe there was never a motion to extend exclusivity of POR's we are open to see all parties of interest offering their own versions.
CATZ does this sound about right??
thank you illene and in case no one has reminded you lately you are amazing and we all appreciate all that you contribute.
don't stress on it 9:1 when clay posts a chart the stock retraces or runs sideways.