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well sunshine for what i remember and its been many,many moons now 1 times value was $8.67 ...
so your saying 2.2 value is abouts $19.07 value ??? so your saying that's for "u's"???
You’re Not Good With Numbers.
Please better state present your discussion.
Ron
So the group thinks P's have a chance of receiving 2.5 FV in 2025? That would be awesome, fingers crossed.
~2.2X face value.????
what are you thinkin the $$$$$ number is for "U's"????
Non-accumulating Interest, Therefore No Back Interest.
But the the Perpetual is accumulating as the Performance Payments to the ABS/MBS holders. DST.
~2.2X face value.
No one can prove me otherwise.
& 2.5X from Retained Earnings.
RE is the reason why APR as removed.
The End of 75/25%
The Judge cannot remove APR based upon future stock price speculation.
The EQ placed the 363 Sales money into Treasury Notes tt guaranty payments to Class 19.
Ron
IMO, Ks should get $25 + interest and Ps should get $1000+ interest.
the 180 day language suggest warrants. thoughts?
thanking in advance.
$27
Are you saying 10 for k's and 100-120 for P's convert to RKT.....? Is this what you are saying?
$39,722 thru WMIH and COOP for 100000 WAMUQ. And IMO, 1 RKT or 1 MAV for 1 ESC, 10 for Ks and 100 to 120 for Ps.
sunshinevibrations, nice find. That business was part of the Flagstar Bank transaction, back in Nov 2024. See article.
ND9
Mr. Cooper previously acquired the wholesale and nondelegated mortgage business assets as part of its Flagstar Bank transaction in November 2024. This business portion, now under A&D’s ownership, was not mentioned in Rocket’s merger announcement yesterday.
https://www.housingwire.com/articles/ad-mortgage-closes-mr-cooper-wholesale-non-del-acquisition/
What's this about? Announced by A&D Mortgage on April 1.
A&D Mortgage Officially Completes Acquisition of Wholesale and Non-Delegated Correspondent Mortgage Origination Business from Mr. Cooper Group
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250401867802/en/AD-Mortgage-Officially-Completes-Acquisition-of-Wholesale-and-Non-Delegated-Correspondent-Mortgage-Origination-Business-from-Mr.-Cooper-Group
Always love your dd Large. This is a great day in our journey. I just want to put into perspective that we will not have to wait to close until the closing 4q. THE FDIC will require a one page synopsis on the April 10th and imo will never take place because of settlement. 399 billion. Keep up the great work large.
So 100,000 u divided by 30 divided by 12 x 11 x $13 RKT =$39,332. Is that what you’re saying?
Are you still thinking CBA09 theories will play a factor once FDIC closes out
This looking good....it will rise and could hit those marks by mid summer....coop shareholder meeting in may if one is held could be interesting....also will shares be gifted to executives and family members as a going away present..
Interesting splits
30 WAMUQ = 1 WMIH
12 WMIH = 1 COOP
1 COOP = 11 RKT
Rates need to lower for refinance and if employment stays steady will be interesting to see if government keeps rates steady...BUT on any rate drops with Rocjets platform with new acquisitions stands to win big imo.
JHD
I am expecting a nice EPS and in addition some (not regular) special dividends as in the past for RKT shareholders...
Why Rocket’s Deals Could Shake Up the Mortgage Market
"If approved, Rocket would rank No. 1 in mortgage servicing—the business of processing monthly payments—and No. 2 in mortgage origination, according to Inside Mortgage Finance. It would also have a sizable presence in home listings with Redfin. The deal will put one in six U.S. mortgages under Rocket’s roof, according to an investor presentation. The three companies combined had $8.4 billion in revenue in 2024."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/why-rocket-s-deals-could-shake-up-the-mortgage-market/ar-AA1CcGc9?ocid=socialshare
Would love to see that happen... on the dividend. pays a great dividend which will continue with success
I dont believe they are consistent however...special dividends from time to time...
JHD
COOP WILL BE HISTORY SOON, so a CLIFF-NOTE VERSION OF THE NEXT TWO to THREE YEARS - ALL IN MY VIEW Post From 4/2
A nine billion plus offer for COOP with (RKT) Rocket stock used for purchase with 11 shares of Rocket at last Friday's closing price (around $12.70) for one COOP. OPPORTUNITY to buy COOP until merger closes in the event of a higher bid as RKT pays a great dividend which will continue with success and they will also raise divy over time. Then, there is an opportunity to buy RKT for two to three years. The COOP name and symbol will cease to exist when merger is closed in Oct/Nov 2025.
Now the rest is reading between the lines, as I believe the Private Letter Ruling I discussed is ours but no way to prove; however, the process after all these years is finally moving forward, in my view.
I believe WMI (but may be called by another name) is lying comatose in a Delaware Statutory Trust or DST and is sitting on hundreds of billions in SAFE HARBOR cash and will be resurrected sometime maybe this year or first part of 2026 but obviously cannot prove this. I believe we will be issued stock via a Private Placement of securities based on what we originally owned and signed releases for back in year 2012 and this is where the POTENTIALLY big money will come from. I also believe former Lehman Brothers Estate will be merged with either WMI or RKT due to their 60B in NOLs, as Fanny and Freddy may play a role as well.
Former Lehman is close to closing their 2008 filed bankruptcy cases and will have 60 billion in (NOLs) Net Operating Losses to use against profits and you can bet they will use every cent.
Then I believe WMI (RKT now trading around $13.86) will buy out RKT later in year 2026/2027 between $60.00 and $80.00 a share.
This as RKT will have the majority of all former WaMu assets, bringing this WaMu travesty full circle and completely resurrected, only much bigger and better than ever before.
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Yep.. Just pray for lower rates next year...
JHD
Yep..I dont know how they derive these values but yes...I would love to see $30+ one year after the deal goes through.
JHD
JHD
Only one problem COOP will go POOF GHONDI once RKT and COOP make the exchange and all shares will be gone and the value will be in RKT imho
JHD
I think he is real close to dead on accurate !!!!!!!!!
Once the dust clears and they start buying chit it will fly like a ROCKET
Wand
ECLIPSE
ROCKET
and there was another one but none of those really sound like the names of co;s more a JOKE than anything
When and it will RKT tanks that is where I will play, especially now that COOP is a directly held stand alone sub of RKT
That's $927.96 (=11x$84.36) per COOP share. IMO a little bit speculative. You know I am in the $250 to $300 camp for COOP's fair value...
Assessing the GF Value Potential
From an investment perspective, GuruFocus estimates the GF Value for Rocket Companies Inc (RKT, Financial) to be $84.36 in one year, suggesting a remarkable 508.66% upside from the current price of $13.86. The GF Value is a metric by GuruFocus that calculates the fair value of a stock, incorporating historical trading multiples, past growth metrics, and future business performance projections. Further insights are available on the Rocket Companies Inc (RKT) Summary page.
Well doesn’t mean much but interesting nonetheless.
JHD
JWW
And what if if IFN possible they COOP issues the 37 mill shares and P K prior to the merger, then it is a FAIR DEAL merger
HUGE MEGA MULTINATIONAL FINANCIAL CONGLOMERATE
Said it for yrs on end now , WE will be the NEW GO TO bank for the FDICK to use to service loans from seized banks !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JPM is too top heavy right now imho and we will be the go to from now on
OH and ROCKET/COOP is just getting started on acquisitions, I still see ecwon
symbol OCN
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Onity Group
https://www.onitygroup.com
Onity Group is a leading financial services company. Through our primary operating subsidiary, PHH Mortgage Corporation, and our Liberty Reverse Mortgage brand, ...
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PHH was once WMAU servicer as well one of 5 just wait we will buy them as well imho
I just wish we had bought them @ 2.10 in 2020 like I was hoping
Why Rocket’s Deals Could Shake Up the Mortgage Market
"If approved, Rocket would rank No. 1 in mortgage servicing—the business of processing monthly payments—and No. 2 in mortgage origination, according to Inside Mortgage Finance. It would also have a sizable presence in home listings with Redfin. The deal will put one in six U.S. mortgages under Rocket’s roof, according to an investor presentation. The three companies combined had $8.4 billion in revenue in 2024."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/why-rocket-s-deals-could-shake-up-the-mortgage-market/ar-AA1CcGc9?ocid=socialshare
Rocket Companies UPGRADED to Market Perform from Underperform at Keefe Bruyette & Woods
https://thefly.com/n.php?id=4098625
GREAT for COOP, COOP shareholders will get 11 RKT shares for each COOP share in the deal...
Bban on fire today. Please keep up the positivity.
Bban, thank you for sharing this interaction.
Been waiting for this for 17 years.
IMHO yes it is IS dilution with value but, that VALUE if COOP is a stand alone as it indicates goes to COOP
Now Jay Bray imho knows of the 2.5 value and imho I am back to COOP will issue P K U prior to the merger making this a good deal for COOP where I think COOP is getting hosed in this deal so they issue more shares and then the merger happens.
SOrry but I have my finger on the trigger to buy RKT when it tanks BEFORE VALUE IS KNOWN
We'll just have to wait and see but COOP still owes us for P K UQ's imho
HAVE ANY HERE EVER SEEN WHERE THE CEO OF THE COMPANY BEING BOUGHT OUT BECOMES THE CEO OF THE ACQUIRING COM, ??????? iT IS A FIRST FOR ME AND SHOULD STICK OUT LIKE A SORE THUMB
Thanks for sharing! BUDDY!
It's dilution with VALUE.
When I think of dillution...it's a company that is issuing stock to raise capital....with no real benefit to existing shareholders.
Now when I look at COOP RKT deal....I see 700 million shares being offered in exchange for profitable company,that is roughly valued at 6-7 billion. For easy math I will work with 7 billion.
7 billion /700 million shares being issued for the purchase equals 10.00 per share. On top of that there will be a savings of appr 400 million per year .
So IMO...dilution is very minor issue. More important is the long term value...I ran it by Grok,and it had some interesting things to say about the long term benefits of the partnership. I will post it later.
Another high 135+....
Yeah, good point I don’t know. I’m thinking about spending the 500 bucks for a year just to see.
JHD
It's all the same. WMI Holdings Corp (WMIHC) merged with WMIH Corp (WMIH) with WMIH Corp (WMIH) surviving the merger. WMI Holdings Corp (WMIHC) no longer exists. WMIH Corp (WMIH) went on to become Mr Cooper Group Inc (COOP).
NOW I have an interesting tid bit
I was having password log on problems (DA had caps lock on) so I called CHUCKEY, when I was about ready to hang up, I said hey just by chance, do you have any CORP action alerts on COOP he said NOPE but if I did we'd probably be sitting on a beach somewhere having a drink together !!!!!!!!!! I said sounds like ya know a little about WMI/COOP he just laughed and said A LITTLE with another laugh at the end
Just an FYI
MY PLAN
"That would be a good time to enter a position in my opinion in RKT.. IF it drops."
I've been doing the same thing with my metals all these years too.
They've been doing great. However, I have been giving my Vanguard shares in my 401k the side eye. Not sure what to make of those yet...
Roaring kitty calls that "diamond hands"! I think i'm going to hold through as well.
They are holding up very well considering.
Here is the presentation and pro forma for both acquisitions as "pitched" for the call past Monday.
https://s205.q4cdn.com/636124780/files/presentation/2025/04/Rocket-Companies-Mr-Cooper-Transaction-Presentation_vf.pdf
It would be interesting to know if they're ever right with these forecasts.
Yep, have yet to sell a single share in all these years.
Let it ride.
Well, a couple billion out standing in my opinion it probably will drop. Of course I got alot of shares..I’m not gonna be trading in and out. I’m gonna let it go through the drop and just hold because I think it’s gonna be a monster down the road. They’re gonna be cradle to grave they’re gonna be able to sell the home originate the mortgage service the mortgage and handle one out of six US mortgages in the country..that’s huge and with cost savings and additional revenues it may equal out the dilution.
Hopefully Jay is on a stock performance deal.
That would be a good time to enter a position in my opinion in RKT.. IF it drops.
JHD
Shocked honestly they are even doing that well, when they are looking at massive dilution, from 2 definitive agreements they have in play
THE COOP holders are gettin a poke in the BUTT
Now JWW run the numbers on IF IF IF COOP issues the 36 mill shares BEFORE they merge
This 1/11 has seemed to low for COOP holders to me
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Mr. Cooper Group Inc. (NASDAQ: COOP) provides quality servicing, origination and transaction-based services related principally to single-family residences throughout the United States with operations under its primary brands: Mr. Cooper® and Xome®. Mr. Cooper is one of the largest home loan servicers in the country focused on delivering a variety of servicing and lending products, services and technologies. Xome provides technology and data enhanced solutions to homebuyers, home sellers, real estate agents and mortgage companies.
Upon completion of the merger between WMIH Corp. and Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. on July 31, 2018, WMIH became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper), Xome and Champion Mortgage (Nationstar Mortgage LLC d/b/a Champion).
As of October 10, 2018, Mr. Cooper Group Inc. is the new name of WMIH Corp. On July 31, 2018, WMIH, now Mr. Cooper Group, became the parent company of the Nationstar Mortgage Holdings Inc. family including Mr. Cooper (Nationstar Mortgage LLC, d/b/a Mr. Cooper) and Xome.
As early as late 2006, WaMu would begin to become a victim of what would eventually become the worst recession in US history since the Great Depression of 1929. WaMu's aggressive business strategy would begin to unfold throughout the end of 2006 and become increasingly disastrous through 2007. As housing rates were at all time highs before the recession began, WaMu would use its considerable leverage and assets to make large amounts of loans in both subprime mortgages and subprime credit cards. The banking division of WaMu at one point before the end of 2007 had nearly 336 stand-alone branch buildings where various types of home loans were processed and approved. WaMu would eventually over leverage themselves due to the high number of Adjustable Rate Mortgages (ARMs). As the US economy slowed down, the number of home loan defaults began to rise in quick succession. This coupled with the falling home prices throughout most of the US meant that even with foreclosures and the properties back in the hands of the company, they were unable to sell them back into the market, or were not able to derive enough revenue from the sale to cover the loan that was made on them. In the mean time, the credit card division was also seeing a surge in the number of late and non payments being made.
By September of 2008, WaMu's stock price had fallen to $2 from its previous highs of around $50 just two years earlier. Amid strong voices from the shareholders, then company CEO Kerry Killinger was dismissed by the company board. In the meantime, the company went looking for a buyer for part of its banking division. WaMu had been unsuccessful in finding an appropriate buy until its seizure by the FDIC. Overnight the companies banking division was bought by JP Morgan Chase in a secret deal brokered by the FDIC for 1.9 billion dollars. Washington Mutual Inc. has reorganized to Washington Mutual Holding Inc. WITH SHAREHOLDERS INTACT
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