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Wow, was that article in English?
and what's wrong with Sherlock?
OT: Linda
It's not hard to understand what goes through one's mind when put under duress daily at the threat of death. The hatred of one's enemies under such circumstances can be overwhelming. It is the responsibility of command to quell such hatred and focus its troops toward the task at hand and what is right and wrong. Command's failure to do so will result in frequent acts such as these.
OT Tex: How could you expect any MP
to do anything about the mistreatment when it is something even the Secretary of Defence choose to ignore. The culture is top down IMO and the mistreatment has been quite widespread and allowed.
tom: when comparing such stats,
you need to take into account that iTMS is only available in the US and the iPod is available the world over.
dilleet: relax
My car manufacturer sez my car gets 32mpg. I found out that you can get such milage only if you cruise 55 mph with the wind on your back and going downhill at least 50% of the time: (
Bubble?
Far from it. There are countless billions hidden under floor boards, pillow cases, rice fields, etc that cannot see the light of day in China. The Chinese government don't need to print money, they only have to coax some of this money out and they'll have a runaway economy. If anything, the bubble has thick skin.
dilleet: Thanks for the objective report.
It's nice to finally read something that is un"polarized".
Poverty has caused the downfall of many societies and much instabilities in even our societies. It shouldn't be looked at as a mere fact of life but instead it should be looked at as a problem that needs solving. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe in communism but I believe everyone should be entitled to at least a minimum standard of living and at least a framework that provides equal opportunities.
Paper:
I am glad you are keeping a cool head in this discussion unlike someone else here. I think you know where I am coming from.
I hope you can get your hands on the documentary and I would love to hear your comments on it. Here is the film maker's link again:
http://www.chavezthefilm.com/
From the same link is a little something on the media war against Chavez. Again, if you were to see the documentary, you will see compelling evidence that the videotape of the shooters were in fact returning fire to snipers higher up and not demonstrators below.
http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/backgrd/media.htm
I got into this discussion simply to point out to you the existence of this documentary. I really hope you get to see it. In the mean time, I'll try to see if anyone of my friends have recorded it.
Lango:
"Yep, the Circulos Bolivarianos is just a figment of my imagination. And even if they're not and they really exist (as about a zillion web references would tend to suggest), they've NEVER engaged in any untoward activities. And no judges have been threatened, disappeared or killed. And no newspaper editors have been threatened. No one's private property has been summarily taken. No human rights violations have taken place.
Those are your words not mine. Are you refuting all those things you've said now just because you can't offer the proof?
Paper: Why are you so convinced that there was no Coup?
You did not see the documentary I suggested. It was practically like you are there. The palace was surrounded by military and Chavez was asked to sign a resignation letter under threat of violence to the people in the palace. Chavez did not sign the letter but instead surrendered himself to the military. Two of your facts are already in dispute. Chavez did not officially resign and the military did threaten violence.
Lango:
I called you out but you didn't deliver. It's ok because all you've produced were rhetorics and I didn't expect you to be able to support them.
And Lango, if you were the almighty, I might have taken your word without a second thought but you are not (although, I suspect that you sometimes think that you are). So it's back to the drawing board for you. Put up or shut up.
dilleet:
I don't know if Chavez's real intension is to be the champion of the people. I know that there is a lot of wealth involved and a lot of people will lose out if Chavez has his way. Hence, the strong oppositions. How do you expect anyone to yield good economic numbers with such strong oppositions. The question is if Chavez were to step down, would any in the opposition attempt to reform the country with a more equitable distribution of wealth.
Lango:
I am not going to stoop to your level. Chavez is the president of Venezuela re-elected by popular vote in 2000 with a 6 year mandate and you claim that he is a dictator. What he did before he was elected was clear to the people of Venezuela and was re-elected despite the "FACTS".
Again, I am not defending the guy but I am simply asking you to support your claims such as "violate Venezuelan law, violate human rights standards, and violate even the illegitimate Constitution he drafted and crammed into place" and "Chavez has used a private "activist" group called the Circulos Bolivarianos -- a bunch of reactionary thugs -- to do some of the dirty work for him". You made the claims and it is your job to support it. It is not my responsiblity to look for info to support your claims.
ps. calling me names and making false statements on my intellect is not appreciated.
OT: Paper: Once again you are saying that there was no coup
despite the fact that there was one. This makes me question which side of the fence you are coming from. Again, I am no Chavez supporter and I am going into this issue deeper than I want to. I don't know what goes on inside Chavez's head nor the reasons he does the things he does. All I am saying is that there are three side to every story and I am keeping an open mind in all of this.
OT: Lango: you make a lot of claims
you need to proof them or you will sound like GW.
OT: Paper
Here is a nice summary of what went on in 2002 by Amnesty International:
http://web.amnesty.org/report2003/Ven-summary-eng
"The ensuing crisis led to President Chávez' removal from office and detention by the military. A de facto joint civilian-military administration was established under the opposition leader Pedro Carmona, head of Fedecamaras, the employers' association. The de facto government issued draconian decrees, including the closure of the National Assembly and the summary dismissal of the Supreme Court, the Attorney General and the Human Rights Ombudsman. Police carried out raids on a number of homes of supporters of President Chávez. Among those arbitrarily detained were a minister and a National Assembly deputy.
There was widespread condemnation of the unconstitutional and summary removal of President Chávez, the illegal detention of his supporters, and the arbitrary powers assumed by the de facto government. On 14 April the new government resigned and President Chávez was reinstated."
Goes to prove the opposition are no good guys either. I am not taking sides here. I agree Chavez is probably no angel either but I don't think he is the devil that you claim him to be. Depending on which side you listen to or choose to listen to the accounts of events and statistics will differ significantly.
OT: Thanks paper
A war is brewing in Venezula. Ever since the coup, the Chavez government has become paranoid and the country has not (probably could not) been governed in a dignified manner. I also don't think, the anti Chavez side is innocent either. They have been undermining the Chavez government since the start and prompted Chavez into taking extreme measures. Lets just hope they resolve their conflict peacefully and soon.
OT: Steel: Oh yeah?
and where is your retraction on RB?
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AAPL&read=164181
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=MSFT&read=141214
OT.Paper,
Your views of Chavez seems pretty dramatic. Especially in the political arena, there are three side to every story. Try to watch the show I mentioned, if you can find it. It's a powerful documentry which Chavez opposition tried to oppress from the world. Watch it and you will see that the Coup was real. Like I said everything out of Venezula is pretty much one sided propaganda. Take everything with a grain of salt. The facts are that Chavez is democratically elected and the country is in political turmoil just short of a civil war.
Paper,
I must admit I haven't been keeping abrest on your thread concerning Venezula and the current situation there. What I do know is that there is a lot of lies flying around regarding Chevez because his opposition controls the media. American interest is also likewise sympathic to the opposition.
If you get a chance to see the documentary "Inside the Coup", which won multiple international awards btw, you will probably see the alternative view. I must admit the documentary could be quite one sided at times but I don't think anything but one sided could come out of Venezula these days.
Here's the link but you will need to find out where it is playing:
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_130403.html
the film maker's website:
http://www.chavezthefilm.com/html/home.htm
Clearsailing:
I don't know about the window side but this statement is false:
"Tunes doesn't give me any control over how it creates filenames (a real pet peeve of mine)
One can turn off the automatic naming feature from iTunes preference.
As for 5.1 surround, I don't think any music that really matters are encoded in 5.1 surround. If I want music in surround mode, I can always set my receiver to simulate various surround environments. Dolby Studio pretty much has cornered the market for surround sound and if any music ever needs to be in 5.1 surround, you will find it in AAC.
I think this guy only has a problem with fairplay. Its true that the only player compatible with fairplay is the iPod but it doesn't give him the right to slam AAC. If I were him, I'd just encode in MP3 and he'd be compatible with all players. But no, this guy has to care about the fact that music players manufacturers have to pay more to Thompson for MP3 than they would to MS for WMA. Is he being a little too rightous?
I think the devil just show his tail when he said this:
"Remember, back in the early days of the Web, when 95% of the world used Netscape? Then, just as the Internet was getting big, Microsoft came out with a faster, more feature-rich browser and gave it away for free (not that anyone actually paid to download Netscape). Now Internet Explorer is by far the most prevalent browser -- with hardly any significant competition despite all the superior features available in products like Mozilla.
That's what MS wants everone to think.
Linda: His parents probably flipped when
they found out that he paid $3000 for a metal box.
ccrider: Monster PC
They should show this on the Discovery Channel. It is sort of like the Monster Garage episode where they turned an Indy Stock Car into a street sweeper. Totally useless but probably good for ratings.
Tex: I really love the last part of the article.
"If that's so, then why is the Mac market share, even after Apple's recent revival, sputtering at a measly 5 percent? Jobs has a theory about that, too. Once a company devises a great product, he says, it has a monopoly in that realm, and concentrates less on innovation than protecting its turf. "The Mac-user interface was a 10-year monopoly," says Jobs. "Who ended up running the company? Sales guys. At the critical juncture in the late '80s, when they should have gone for market share, they went for profits. They madeobscene profits for several years. And their products became mediocre. And then their monopoly ended with Windows 95. They behaved like a monopoly, and it came back to bite them, which always happens."
A wicked smile cracks the bearded, crinkly Steve Jobs's visage, and for a moment he could be the playful upstart who shocked the world 20 years ago. "Hmm, look who's running Microsoft now," he says, referring to former Procter & Gamble marketer Steve Ballmer. "A sales guy!" The smile gets broader. "I wonder ..." he says."
Is SJ saying that MS will be making the same mistake Apple did?
clearsailing: Didn't you hear the news?
Buy any Mac today and receive a FREE PANTHER CD; )
Linda: Sorry to tell you that
the program is for PowerBook G4 only and not for Prismo nor Lombard. Dilleet is right these things are still in demand. Even the lowly PBG4 400 should be worth more than $700 today.
clearsailing: who said it will be a Mac?
But in all likelyhood it will be a Mac. My original point is that there should be some special announcement on that date and we could see some stock price speculations prior to that. If anything, we could have another exit point for our shares real soon.
KVW: Jan 24th will be the Mac's 20th Anniversary.
I am looking forward to a product announcement on that day.
Dismal G5 sales
was not because of pricing nor size of the machine. SJ made the age old mistake of announcing that a 3GHz model will be available by fall 2004. Most people, like me, can wait that extra 10 months for a machine that is 50% faster.
Paper: Still bullish?
The sell off is kind of expected. We'll see tomorrow. It's the Mac's 20th Anniversary and SJ has hinted that they have some new stuff coming. That could put a boost in an otherwise slow period.
My number one reason for space exploration
is that we need to spread our seeds. Not to put all our eggs in one basket sort of thing.
2b: LOL
It used to be when a competitor is making a mistake, you'd keep quiet about it and let them screw up. Well, MS and Dell are not keeping quiet which leads me to think that HP and Apple are doing something right.
KVW: ML upgrade is usually a sell signal.em
Lango: That is why I think the so called
economic recovery in the US is more or less an illusion. There is more money out there so you see more activities. Real money is actually spent on the war and not on economic efficiency or productivity. Another way to look at it is the money is being flushed down the toilet and not invested. There will be economic repercussions somewhere down the line.
Lango: I heard somewhere
that the Feds are printing funny money to fund the war and that's why the Dollar is tanking.
and don't forget...
(3) more outstanding shares to contend with.
Lango: I am disappointed in you.
"If you go take out a $5,000 loan from the bank, pull $5,000 off a credit card, get a $5,000 tax rebate check, pull $5,000 out of your savings account, then get a $5,000 home equity loan and use the $25,000 to buy a car, is there economic growth going on, or just a whole lot of economic activity?"
It's economic activity and economic growth. Economics 101: growth of money.
KVW: Let's hope it's a "Screaming Sell" when
you unload your shares (I meant it in a good way though). Make sure you scream it because I am also looking for an exit point for my shares too. Unfortunately for me, I have already lost 20% to exchange fluctuations.
KVW: Fair enough.
But didn't you buy AAPL shortly after the CC at around $23 and said it was a screaming buy? I kinda had the impression that you took the guidance postively.
But you are right, it all comes down to earnings. If they surprise the street enough, it shouldn't tank afterwards.