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LD - Could WAVX's $.50 from INTC end up in a big gulp?
Hmmmm, could Larry Dudash's keyboard be swallowed up by the ceramic caldron upon which he pontificates?
The answer to both is yes.
Is either prescient?
No.
Larry your disguise is as thin as the Emperor's new coat.
So glad you've made so much Larry! Must be a negative correlation between that and your positive contribution to the board! Chart that whydoncha?
bowWAVE
barge - you write
Now many will focus on the fact that the PR is dated a few yeas ago. But the same folks will of course fail to underscore that the MICROSOFT/WAVEXPRESS(Tvtonic) relationship is still alive and well, as reflected in the recent WAVEXPRESS/Windows Media PR.
Those same folks will be saying, "gee how did this seem to happen over night"?
Did you know that SKS recently adopted a Hispanic young man? He's in the enchilada business with a background in donuts. Keeps muttering something about the hole in the enchilada.
Best regards,
bowWAVE
awk - interestng point. All this time I'm thinking about inter-trust and yet there is still the issue of intra-trust. Of course it makes sense, a trusted domain is a trusted domain is a trusted domain, doesn't matter if it's on a server or a mainframe or a wristwatch.
One thing seems sure to me, there are many individuals thinking well beyone the trusted part to what one can do with it. Trust now seems to be taken for granted, the baseline has been raised. I think it's a remarkable shift in thinking from bigger and faster individual machines to web services.
Hmmmm, what's the sound of millions of cha-chings at the same time?
Best regards,
bowWAVE
awk - I interpret "domain" as written to be Trusted Software Stack, what's your take?
"...The TPoD Protection Layer uses software virtualization to set up a domain model which enables domain separation and access control enforcement. A domain can have multiple instances (e.g., login shells) and a domain is owned by a remote domain owner. Each domain protects data and execution from other applications running in other domains on the same platform. Resource sharing is allowed if desired.
Seems like they're using a java class (or java-like class) to instantiate a Trusted Software Stack that is "registered" with the OS.
bowWAVE
cm - awk - fabulous! Thanks for sharing e/
howard b - please try to understand that the motivation to put words in your mouth is driven solely by the desire that something worthwhile will come out. I should think that you'd be flattered that "professor" was worked into the sentence, whether it be absent-minded or otherwise.
When you write such self ingratiating drivel as your “awk: Skewed?” post in which you try to skewer the most generous and highly contributory awk with "Do you mean that they are false? Or do you mean that they are against what you advocate? you surely overplay your weak hand.
Enough with the “do you still beat your wife” type lines howard b, have you no better ways to get your kicks?
bowWAVE
OT - Micro you have RB mail e/
OT The problem with discussing politics.
It has happened to me on several occasions that I have grown to respect someone greatly for his or her obvious intelligence and decision-making ability and the energy and enthusiasm they bring to tasks assigned. And since I work in software development it is a given that people in my field are supposed to be able to think logically.
Then the subject of politics comes up and generally one of two things happen; either we agree on most aspects and we are both preaching to the choir and the prevailing feeling is “we sure are smart …but we don’t learn anything new“ or “gee I thought so-and-so was so smart but obviously they can’t be if they are a liberal/conservative, and I somehow feel betrayed or my logic is flawed” an uncomfortable situation at best.
Either way little is gained, and the chances of any of us being converted to another viewpoint are near zero, so most likely the end result is name-calling and bitterness.
I value the thoughts of so many on this board; I have high regard for your intelligence and humor and insight. Frankly I don’t wish having that undermined by something as tangential as politics are to this investment (yes I know a case could be made that it isn’t tangential). That’s just the point, making cases – the interest for me is in the putting together of the jigsaw pieces as well as their discovery.
This has been a long strange trip, and besides doesn’t being a Wavoid come before politics?
Best to all,
bowWAVE
quiet board e/
Stealth Security e/
Wave home page has been reformatted.
http://www.wave.com/
bowWAVE
Well that solves the question of where they were spending money on Secure Software Stack - it's called Trusted Software Stack. Note also that the kit is free - good move IMHO.
"By using Wave's TCG-Enabled CSP, an application developer enables TPM-based security through the standard MSCAPI interface without needing to understand vendor-specific requirements regarding the TCG Software Stack (TSS). The TSS is the software on a Trusted Platform that sits between the secure applications and the hardware."
bowWAVE
link works now - http://www.wave.com/products/csp.html
bowWAVE
Mig if you want the price to go up just sell all of your shares :)
bowWAVE
allman - interesting you should bring up NTRU. I was wandering around their site the other day and I found myself wishing I knew just how intertwined their software was with what Wave has. Nice to see that it works on Linux too.
http://www.ntru.com/products/tcg_ss.htm
The NTRU Core TCG Software Stack (CTSS) provides the essential core interface and security services framework for any application or platform that relies on the Trusted Platform Module (TPM), which is the secure hardware module central to the TCG trusted computing architecture. The NTRU CTSS is designed in accordance with the TCG TSS standard and is enhanced with strong, standards-compliant cryptographic libraries. The CTSS package consists of a set of software components that allows applications and peripherals to take advantage of a platform's TPM in a coordinated, consistent, and portable manner. The NTRU CTSS is designed to function under multiple operating systems, including Windows 2000/XP and those containing the Linux 2.4 kernel, as well as interoperating with TPM hardware from multiple vendors.
bowWAVE
OT - yes sadly it is the chapter that keeps being rewritten. Hey I've got it; when we finally have trusted computing and DRM we can each write our own version of history!
Although "to be..." was already written at least we have our 2b.
bowWAVE
Weby - you wrote;
Is you is or is you ain't my partner?
Is you is or is you ain't for real?
Is you is or is you ain't with Intel?
Is Wave is or is Wave aint the deal?????
As a teacher you should know that the last one should be:
"Is Wave or ain't Wave the deal?"
Using "Is Wave is or is Wave aint the deal?????" is poor grammer!
LOL
bowWAVE
OT Mig - did you know that Ameritrade now let's one set a sell trigger hooked to when you say you bought on IHUB? LOL Just kidding.
bowWAVE
Bigtim - you write:
bowWAVE/Your Second Point
You are right that I am less sure than you that Janus will utilize the basic Wave tools. I think it is a possibility so long as Wave strikes the right balance in their ongoing dialogue with Microsoft. The Wave metering patent gives Wave some additional leverage, but they will have to be extremely cautious in deciding whether and when they should use that leverage.
I do not exclude the possibility that Microsoft will conclude at some point that the trusted services and software that Wave offers are indeed integral to Janus. But I see no evidence that has happened yet.
Evidence is difficult to come by I agree. Something concrete is what posters like Larry Dudash are looking for. That's fine. Concrete evidence is expensive.
I harken back to a statement by SKS some time ago - last August I believe - where he said Wave had earmarked about $5mil for software to control the Secure Software Stack.
Now you can't have a Secure Software Stack without it running under an OS, and while SKS didn't say "hey were coding some cool stuff so MS can rework some/much of Windows so it will execute in a secure space" I believe that is indeed what happened.
Eons ago on a Wavoid timeline I sent an email to SKS which I never received an answer to. I was trying to understand how Embassy worked and asked a question similar to "rather than have applets actually execute inside the chip couldn't you use the chip to varify whether or not software could access an area of disk or memory and thereby have many more and larger applets/programs which could execute securely without fear of hacking/corruption?". Remember back then part of the conversatioin was - there's a limited amount of space in Embassy I (or whatever it was called) but more space to execute is on the way. In fact I think I posted to the board - RB probably - that you COULD just find the location of all of your I/O verbs in Windows and force them to go through Embassy (or maybe have a parallel set of "secure" verbs which would go through the chip. It didn't get much play on the boards and of course it might have been too slow for the processors of several years ago but the concept was what I was interested in.
I believe there is ample evidence of XP SP2 being reworked to execute in a secure area. I put the two together.
That is the basis for my enthusiasm.
Best regards,
bowWAVE
barge - first, hopefully you keyed the post I'm responding to before you saw Bigtim's reply to me which I then turned around and italicized (Italianized(sp?)lol) to try to really emphasize the two different points. Actually I came away very happy with his response because I value his input and it seems very positive. Note that he didn't get into the "have to have a TPM or not angle, and I'm not going to now either", I have to fire off an email to a manager of mine and besides you seem to have that one covered.
Very narrow points;
1. Janus in all likelyhood doesn't use software that Wave wrote to be used with a TPM (or whatever the hardware chip was called in the early days)
2. Wave infrastructure software (Java classes?) (the generic stuff) is likely utilized/called/invoked by MS metering software.
On my second point above Bigtim seems less sure. I was in 100% agreement with his shorter post directed at me, but I go further in thinking that indeed Janus is utilizing Waves infrastructure software.
In short, I believe you and I are agreeing violently! lol
bowWAVE
Bigtim - agree 100%
I think you interpreted my post correctly. What I am saying is that Janus will likely require TPM deployment to fully protect premium content, and the tools that Wave has developed to manage the trust infrastructure can be valuable regardless of which applications lead to TPM deployment. However, this does not mean that Wave's content metering technology will be incorporated in Janus.
OK Mr. Softee how much are you going to pay for that infrastructure?
bowWAVE
wavehello - attestation - by using a TPM (a hardware chip that Wave developed years ago (but someone else actually manufactured)) and software which Wave has developed to simplify all this PKI stuff (which is all the rage but complicated) Wave has created an authentication mechanism which is easy to implement (they have a developers kit doncha know) which can validate that you are indeed who you say you are even if I don't know who you are.
And in security terms it's more watertight than a beaver’s butt.
bowWAVE
Bigtim - glad you're posting. I'm having a difficult time reconciling some of your statements, specifically:
this
...Wave technology must therefore be an integral part of the Janus concept. There is little evidence to support this conclusion.
with this
...Wave is just taking its cut of the Trusted Computing pie by managing the trust infrastructure
are you saying that Wave may very well be an integral part but not the biggest part?
Thanks,
bowWAVE
dude_danny - Dude - regarding what was on the blog
TVTonic have made available a Media Center version of their application. Installing it lets you watch four channels they stream over the web - News, MoviePick, Cartoon Cow and Rawdio. Once installed it's available in More Programs inside Media Center like any other application. It's pretty cool, I've got the MoviePick channel running in the office right now - there's a trailer for The Alamo on right now and interviews with the cast.
The one complaint I have is that they appear to host the video themselves and don't actually use Media Center for playback, so you can't pause or stop the content.
I tried TVTonic last night - and in the words SKS uses many times - cool! The machine I tried it on isn't really fast enough (not quite 500MHZ) so I think that caused it to be slightly fragmented. Enjoyed some cartoons I hadn't seen in forever.
If I recall correctly you can pause it and continue.
I'm wondering if (like YES) you can play the clips while disconnected from the net. Of course I could have just unpluged my cable and tried it D'oh. I'll try tonight.
Even though I have a very low quality video card and monitor it looked great.
Just need more content and look out major networks - won't need them anymore.
bowWAVE
Larry Dudash - got your PM. I don't have it so I couldn't PM back.
I feel that much of what you post is on target and valuable.
Perhaps I am still too childlike in letting myself imagine what could be.
And that's always the rub; the difference between what could be and what is.
Perhaps that's Weby's appeal, well grounded but willing to let the horses run now and again. Or maybe like a fine blended Scotch.
barge on the other hand; White Lightnin'
May I suggest that to accompany your TA you try a wee dram of dream?
bowWAVE
Weby - simply masterful post. How I wish I'd had more teachers like you earlier on. But there's now and the future and for now I hope WaveXpress and some small MOBO fees can keep Wave going until the big picture becomes clearer to more and the true value that Wave brings to interoperability/web services/security can be successfully monitized.
bowWAVE
Larry Dudash says he's going to stock up on nail polish just as soon as he determines that indeed it is a nail.
Larry - don't get crushed by the herd of elephants! And BTW barge is riding one of the lead elephants, has been for some time and has received communication from other riders utilizing subaudible elephant communication. lol
Weby you wrote
"My feel for the meeting is that finally we have real product that can be bought today -- installed immediately."
Comments:
(1)Do not believe it.
(2)Why?
(3)Because WAVX can not get it installed for
it's employees.
(4)And worst yet! Maybe WAVX employees do not
need the WAVX product !
(5)If WAVX employees can live without the product,
maybe other companies can live without the product.
(6)Let's hope WAVX can get the "bugs" out of the new product
and show us all "IT CAN BE INSTALLED IN A COMPANY"
(7)JMHO.
(1) Believe it - it can be bought, installed and utilized.
(2) Why not?
(3) Because up til now it wasn't readily available in quantity, with generic support hardware and software
(4) No one "needed" electricity.
(5) There are millions "living" without electricity, millions more can live without it.
(6) Let's hope those starting to build appliances which will run on electricity get moving and realize the potential $$$
(7) JMHO
bowWAVE
Weby is right but barge is righter
Whoa - now that is a slog. e/
OT Thanks Weby. e/
smart money usually waits until the flash is over anyway. e/
barge - remember a three word phrase that used to be stated a lot on the Wave boards "content is king"?
bowWAVE
P.S. Hopefully JL is warming up for a Mouahahaha.
HBG could you possibly have more of a linguini spine in bashing this stock?
Now give me those slippers!
Gently my pretty..these things must be done DELLicately. HA HA HA HA care for a little fire Scarecrow?
What a whiner! Maybe, gee I don't know, I can't predict the future...It takes a long time...
bowWAVE
Mig - If the software ships with an ability to index tag certain points in a broadcast for easy identification later I could see that being a big seller. Example - the sports enthusiast marks all of the plays made by the shortstop and at work the next day replays them for his buddies to see. Of course it's feasible since it's on disk and not on tape. It would be like creating your own highlights show.
regards,
bowWAVE
YAYA - are the Yankees really moving to the Ukraine? /e
Good point barge.
The wave meter (if I understand correctly) was/is a custom hardware/software combination developed by Wave Systems. It has I believe been demoed and works (years ago).
I think SKS could be quite truthful in saying that the wave meter is not involved with Janus and yet wave is. Think of what we know Wave is peddling (or at least giving away) - a development kit. I believe this development kit is just a set of about 130 Java-like classes which Wave has made available (my count could be way off on this - perhaps the paper is about 130 pages). It may also be that Wave gives away some samples of basic applications which use the modules.
My point is "we don't make the meter, we provide the infrastructure for you to create your own meter", or other building blocks all the way up to elegant trusted web services. Remember we long ago noted similarity to {BASF is it?) that ran the adds "we don't make so-and-so, we make so-and-so better".
I don't believe Wave has any desire to write custom applications for many software vendors, infrastructure applications yes, specific non-generic applications no. And what does a company like Microsoft have tens of thousands of software developers? MS doesn't need Wave to write specific applications, just the trusted base. I believe that Wave has proven the concept and shifted the direction of the industry to utilize the basic structure it has developed. An incredible feat.
My apologies to those who seem to get it, but can anyone tell me what in heavens name SKS was talking about when he said they had earmarked about $5 million to write software to manage the Secure Software Stack?!?!?!. To my knowledge that is the ONLY development expenditure Wave systems has mentioned in several years. Sorry to beat a dead horse on this but I believe that is the biggest concrete dot we've been given. Let me give you a hint, I think it was for Microsoft, and I also think it's in SP2, and I think MS is busting their collective tails to reengineer much of their software to take advantage of it.
Now if that ain't infrastructure I don't know what is.
Best regards,
bowWAVE
These are my opinions only, but if I'm right the bashers can all just kiss my ASCII.
And France can always just kiss my Royal American Star Spangled Banner!
hey howie where ya been?
who's talking about locking the phone to the provider?
Hmmmmmmm let me make a guess and ask if you understand that KTM stands for Key Transfer Manager?
The idea is that the identity is stuck with the phone, not that the phone is stuck with the provider.
Ya see howie the phone is at the "edge" of the network, the phone company isn't.
bowWAVE
barge - I share your opinion and I noticed that no one could back up any refutation with anything substantive. I guess it's the price you pay for being on the lead bike; a large number if cicadas in the teeth.
Hey LD your example shows your ignorance "By bring future customers to the San Jose office. Showing them the actual system operating internally at WAVX.
What? After years of developing this stuff and demoing it for many of those years you don't think they can walk into a company and show them how it's done either with the clients hardware or with an already setup server on one machine working wirelessly with a laptop client?
When you buy briefs (or boxers) I suppose you ask the salesman to try them on to see if they're comfortable for him?
bowWAVE
No Larry D - I think you're counting on this board to let you know when to buy.
bowWAVE
OTOTOT cpa - I hope you're kidding.
You've been around long enough to know that VH is a most sincere, gentle person. I find VH's posts to be among the most upbeat and heartening (yet even handed) on the board.
Either your post was toungue-in-cheek or I believe you owe VH an apology.
JMHO
bowWAVE
Sure Larry, bring on the chart. It will be nice to see how some manipulate this puppy.
I don't have the time to watch it but hopefully I'll learn something for a day when I do.
bowWAVE