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By staying in a non transparent environment, and developing poor games with poor sales, and diluting the investor base?
No, I don't see them going anywhere fast.
Just like another internet company in the dot com boom, even if CDIV had not been involved with Monk's manipulation, this is just a far too stereotypical, overconcentrated area of the market.
CDIV will go the way of Homegrocer, etc. If not due to the manipulation investigation, then due to failure to do profitable business in the economic clusterbomb coming our way very soon.
Less publicity, and less apps.
Uplisting would give them a higher grade exposure to investment, and a higher level of transparency encouraging further investment.
They have instead decided to remain in the shadows, where they can do what they do best.
Take take take take take.
No I think you said it better.
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Well then why don't you throw a few thousand dollars at the ask and make the "shorts" squeeze?
Isn't that the whole point of your FLD manipulation technique?
If that's what you're doing here, just go do it! It's as easy as picking another window and clicking!
AKA
"We'd rather not be transparent right now. We're happy doing what we're doing without showing you what it is, and we're going to explain it away with this nice sounding sentence about our "plan" for the future which will be the same as our "plan" so far.
To take your money and go.
Yes obviously one piss poor game will be followed by 10 spectacular ones.
... If anything went in to those games to develop and charge for them, I'd be shocked to see that they made dollar one on it.
No, it's actually not.
You can't find me one other company (perhaps besides EIGH, LOL) that has an equity / share structure history anything comparable to CDIV.
Poor sales,
Poor apps,
Poor revenue,
Poor company.
Sure doesn't look like many people agree with you here, Lone.
With the kind of suggestions you're making, and claims to truth that you're making.... one has to question your intent. But hey, the SEC called you already!
Between
"no dilution"
"good times are coming"
and "CDIV has a great business plan"
You really haven't managed to say much else.
Let's not leave out ... NSS short BS.
Time to move on.
No... if it was legitimate and reporting... numbers would come, and progress would follow.
Where there are no true numbers, there is no true growth.
Try again.
Well go on, tell us what they said....
I've pointed out these undesirable factors of CDIV's business, nobody wants to hear it!
I know I'm the one that touts emotional outbursts...
But I have to say chuck, when you said that, the first thing that popped in my head was:
I take it you'll be making a lot more money than the rest of us, if this goes our way.
Haha.... good day to all.
Well, I guess you won't know unless you do some homework.
:-/
Just curious, Eric Muathe a trader had this on his breakout list. Any particular entry point you like.. ?
I've owned this equity and been here on these boards for quite some time.
I also have called and spoken on occasion, and just as the anticipatory cheerleading has been here, I've heard it all the same.
It doesn't really matter to me, hearing one thing or another.
It's what you hear, who you hear it from, and what day it is that makes all the difference in an investment decision.
That said, I'm pretty pissed with the relative performance of this one, and for all the reasons I've already stated!
Now, if you please, enough about me. More about WNBD.
Here, read this from Eric's blog. Exemplifies the issues I speak of... IMO
I don't buy any of that garbage.
Look at it systemically, even if you believe the MM's are evil, they have the ability to direct macro markets in huge rings. Manipulate on equities much more liquid and which overall contain a larger sum of the net investment pool.
I don't buy for a second that any professional corporate trader or MM or equity transfering / holding entity makes illegal, or largely backed manipulative actions on these (relatively) tiny equities.
They're fishermen, they don't work all day trying to net krill.
If anything, they use whale nets... etc.
But there are wild projections!
Do you not watch CNBC, on which you've seen "no" penny stocks? (BTW, they have, they're just not below pennies when they're there! See CTIC... one personal example for me.)
Every day they have a slew of people on, half of them are raging bulls, and half are raging bears.
Everyone can't be right!
As far as linking WNBD and my S&P comparison, I truly believe people have been making predictions of the same quality for both, counting on "sound fundamentals" and "A good plan" ... which are evidently not there.
I mean, I can go back to when I joined this equity and find you the posts, supposed "evidence" and corporate communications that so far have amounted to meaningless opinion and hot air in terms of anticipated progress.
What can we do... then, I'm sure, is what you'll ask of me next? As responsible individuals, to ensure our investment (Yours speculatively, and positively, or mine speculatively and negatively) decisions are based most in fact and reality, and not in anticipation and prediction?
Talk to the company, call and ask what's being done. Nothing says "WE CARE" like a noticeable amount of shareholders actually caring about what's being done with their money.
And on the flipside, you can see what happens to those who just get in and don't care.
Anyone still bagholding here is your perfect example.
Not what I'm here to talk about.
I obviously am making other investment choices.
Now that we're done talking about them, let's get back to the topic at hand:
What I had to say about WNBD,
And your hasty dismissal of me from this social environment, which on my displeasure with this equity alone, will not at all usher my dismissal.
Now, did you have a response or objection to my concerns? I didn't see one.
I think the problem lies in how WNBD is getting it's product(s) to market.
So long as that problem lives, I fear our PPS problems will continue to live.
I don't like people touting generalized positives about a company.
I like people doing daily DD, speaking to the company directly, and having lots of open transparency.
That said, what I've heard, seen and witnessed is nothing like what's described in the the first, and the lack of the second (mainly corporate side) pretty much validates why we're where we are right now.
As I said... not calling out the person, calling out the factual and causal disconnects between a "Belief" and our current "Reality"
All he posted was hypotheticals and anticipated future returns.
How many economists do you think have wild projections for the S&P to hit 1450 in the near future?
And do you really think you'll EVER see the S&P at 1450 any time soon?
If the company has a good product, that's great.
They need to effectively get it to market, and make a profit from it.
And where a company finds problems doing that, I find problems with people trying to tell me about the potential I haven't seen for months upon months.
Seems like a big IF to me....
Don't you think?
I don't take shots at people -- that's pointless.
I take shots at falacies, and try to profit from facts others play complacent to.
I hope and want for WNBD just as you do, but cannot see the "positives"
And where there is a disconnect, there is usually a gap in information.
And where there's gaps in information... there's gaps in portfolio totals.
I've been here for quite a while, and so has the information in that IBox.
Have you seen where the PPS has been?
They do not match.
I very much identify with this as well!
But at some point very soon, I feel the fundamentals can't be "papered" over any more.
At least without calling in to serious consideration the US's financial strength.
See: Moody's conditional statements on US long term debt given recent bush tax cut extensions, etc.
Sorry if this comes off a little harsh,
But your statement sounds like something coming out of Bernanke's mouth.
Could you give us some honest specifics behind the 2011 "potential" ... ?
I certainly think this is an important market factor!
Picking up on some short financials, dow up against 11400, numbers last week didn't look good, numbers thursday may be less than pretty, EU debt... china putting the brakes on growth....
Thoughts anyone?
Anyone else picking up on trading SKF out of the low 17s?
I'm curious...
Why after an extension of tax cuts which will continue to decrease government inflows from taxes, is the market taking this as a positive?
The tax cuts have done nothing to enable the consumer to consume more, in any "fundamentally" stronger way.
Top that with the poor jobs numbers that were reported recently, along with the EU countries falling to pieces, (Spain said last night that they will not need an official bailout, I wonder how long it will take for that to hit their bondmarket and revoke that statement....)
I cannot see how, after a multiple hundred point run up, you can legitimately describe market sentiment as "looking good"!
Dow bumped up against resistance once again, and has been floating down all day.
Really?
Anyone trading this?!
I can't believe we have boards with pages of new posts, and this isn't one of them!
FFGO - AlanC, Those with patience and with disposable income to risk, are the kind of investors who sit patiently in plays such as FFGO.
And those people have so far been deceived, cheated and lied to.
Why would anyone continue trusting them?
What's todays -15 on top of -90?
- way too much!
Wonder where it all went... sure aint the bagholders.
Mhhhm.
Beyond all that, "ENCOURAGED" ... ?
When has the SEC ever got it right? Hell, they were GIVEN Madoff and blew that too.
They are always late to the party, just like Ben Bernanke thought the economy had perfectly sound fundamentals months before screeching to yearly lows.
The people blowing the whistle at the time, are the ones to listen too.
You can't just scream FIRE, and everyone follows you. But if you scream FIRE, and people see fire, those with their eyes open will not get burned.
I'm parroting the words of the huge trader that perpetrated this manipulative inflow of nonexistent value, not my own.
The proceedings have told the truth, look at what happened! The FLD took place, they drove it up, sold it down, and now it's eating pavement. What more is there to explain?
It's not like they have some record breaking app, incredible sales revenues or aspirations for the future.
Because they don't.
Buy low... sell high.
Don't piss your money in to sustaining the bid, let him crash it, buy it low.
You just said and implied that IHub was somehow a delinquent bunch of people not held to any personal responsibility.
Now it matters how many of those irresponsible trading thugs "Follows" me?
You're just hilarious.