I agree that significant news will move this. But it really has to be tangible. I remember a penny stock (don't recall if it was pink) that went WAY up (want to say dollars) after announcement of a deal with Walmart. I think it was a bio-med stock and this was at least a year... maybe two or three years ago. It happens. Will it happen with Z? Who knows...

It's been like this for weeks. Buys significantly outpace sells and the PPS behaves as if there are more sells. over several weeks that is several million shares. "Low volume" is a relative term. It seems like a supply/demand incongruency or... dilution or... something else??

I'm totally stoked to see all the buys... but why doesn't the PPS go up? if the supply thins indicating increased demand... shouldn't the PPS go UP?? Unless... The supply is not thinning even as buying continues without many sells... What could cause that? Dilution? Something else???

Interesting article on VCap. It wasn't in the basic college stuff I got. TBH, I don't know what VC has already gone into Zenergy. AFAIK, Zenergy has existed a few years prior to going public. It's altogether possible that there has already been VC activity. Given what you quoted and the necessity for confidentiality, I don't know that any of us common investors would know at this point what VC activity has already transpired prior to the public offering. If the trend of openness continues we may know more in the coming PR's or SEC filings. Although... I'm not holding my breath! lol

You're certainly entitled to your opinion and I agree with a lot of what you say about there being plenty of other players in the green energy boom.

Although, I think you are missing some of the fundamentals on public vs private business in regards to loans and fund raising. It should be far easier to raise money in a public company. Foremost, public companies are regulated closer which should give investors more confidence. Otherwise, where would we be? The cynical side of me says we would be where we are right now because the regulation can be too weak. As far as I know, Zenergy needed to go public in order to raise the 35M or so to get production going.

To be fair, it would be nice to see what kind of capital other businesses have raised and where it put them as a result. But I'm not on that at the moment. Although, $32M in fuel consumption does seem small. Nabors drilling is a multi-billion dollar company annually (one of several and not even the biggest fish...) so how much bio-diesel takes from conventional sources may be interesting.

I've had my share of negative thoughts on this. More than once, I've commented on the buy/sell ratio as compared to the PPS. Sure are a lot of buys and the PPS goes no where. To me that seems like an indication of dilution but I can't be sure. So, I wait like everyone else.

I already rehashed some really basic academics on why businesses go public and how businesses are required to behave. Google this if you want more on basics: why do companies go public an empirical analysis.

As for a scenario, it is unfolding. You need to observe just like the rest of us. There are just as many negative as there are positive scenarios. But since you asked for a positive, here it goes: Luiten's connections and reputation gain good faith loans/grants that allow full production by EFY 2010. Names like Pickens, BP, Obama, Ineos, etc are announced in support. Contract base grows in volume and agreement announcements between Zenergy and major distributors (Costco, Flying-J, Walmart, etc) are announced. Immediate investor confidence and a soaring PPS based on tangible business agreements to deliver high demand low cost energy source.

Low cost Green energy will come to market. Who will deliver it? Is there room for emerging sources? Is Zenergy too much of an under dog amongst the big players? Is our capitalist market open for emerging companies or do all the Microsofts, GEs, BPs and Exxons dominate any small cap efforts? Will Zenergy emerge as a prime contractor to the big fish??

Plenty of opportunity, IMO. May you live in interesting times.

Served...

G

The text books on business management and business law say that owners of publicly traded companies must act in the best interest of the company and shareholders. Actions taken should be to make the company effective and efficient. If it can be proven that the actions of those running the company are intended merely for the personal gain of "founders" as you suggest then there is fraud and it deserves to be investigated and brought to justice.

However, this could be said about any business in or out of pinky land. To me, what you've suggested is irrational fear that would kill any business if everyone thought that way.

Why not wait and see what the new company has to offer? If the same thing happens with Zenergy as Paradigm then surely something more should be done. Although, the bottom line is this is a highly risky investment option which I think all the adults reading this board understand.

IMO

G

Yeah, I'm in AK. Wasn't watching the time.

.016 x .045??? That right? LOL! Anyone have a link to a good (free) L2 site? TIA

This goes from .02 to .20 in one day if a PR comes saying that mfr plants are fully funded/supplied via Pickens support or support from another philanthropic source. Fuel + spark = ignition. $$$ support is the fuel and Zenergy (Luiten) is the spark to make this go.

Ominous potential 10-bagger. Then again... the buy/sell ratio and PPS are fishy. Very risky endeavor here.

IMO, G

He was 100% correct about Paradigm and he's had several posts that were very informative and dead-on accurate.

edit: although I abhore his posting style.

All of 320k buys but just 425 shares sold. PPS is DOWN. Welcome to the land of "STOP, No Information" Stinky Pinky land. I don't think the shares people are buying will be very liquid. More likely that they will be bought back at lower PPS and then recycled once more.

So basically, the new Zenergy has the green light from the SEC to raise $32M+ for mfr infrastructure by selling stock. And if that doesn't work... oh well. I'm sure they'll take the $10M++ for all their hard work on this endeavor! LOL

I'll save SI and Wiz a post: "STOP NO INFORMATION", No 8K, No Business Operations, No forthcoming information, Zip, Zilch, Zero... Triple ZIP ZEROES AGAIN!!! See you at .0001!!! Woo hooo!!!

All IMO based on same old stuff we always see in Pinky land and continued trend from Paradigm to Zenergy.

Oh yeah, I went there!

Regardless of the PPS, at least the message board is entertaining.

How does the PPS continue to go down when buys consistently outpace sells? Dillution?

Click on the "Trades" section of the "click here for detailed..." link. AFAIK this is at least the third consecutive day that shares bought have significantly outmeasured the the shares sold. And yet the PPS remains steady. Could be a sign of DILUTION... I hope this isn't the PPS level at which the company thinks we can remain at in order to raise enough money to be successfull as a bio-diesel mfr.

GLTA

AFAIK, Paradigm doesn't exist so including that in your equation is improper math. Zenergy has the shell. Now let's see what happens with it.

Zenergy + Recently purcased shell + too many unknown variables = ???

High risk investment, IMO.

There's plenty of doubt on both sides. Only time will tell. This baby is reborn and will take time to develop.

That is A LOT of speculation. Not unreasonable but totally unproven.

It's a start up. They need something on the magnitude of $30M to build new or they need to find existing infrastructure. It's news on how they intend to produce or how they are producing that will make this go. That and announcments from consumer companies that will use their product. All IMO. OMG, I just realized I replied to SI...

I blame Canada. Thanks again for the update. I swear this is taking forever.

Has anyone been punished over this yet? Could I get a brief update on the current status of all this? I saw that PV is scheduled for pre-trial... wow, big deal. If he's guilty he's had plenty of time to prep up whatever he needs in order to square money away.. bleh w/e :/

I saw some unverifiable communication between a trade commission and the CEO where the CEO expected the cost of infrastructure to be $32M. Regardless of rather it's verifiable or not, the fact is that money for equipment and property will be needed and I'm interested to hear about progress on that front.

I don't know much about ethanol and I need to do some research but is it a good thing? I guess it's more for bio-diesel? I know I saw a sign up on a pump that said may contain up to 10% ethanol and then I saw one store touting NO ETHANOL... as if ethanol were the devil. So yeah, interested to know the effects and if there are down sides.

Also, I don't think waiting weeks will be good. That's the avenue most pinkies take as the PPS goes back to .0001. If the company does not provide tangibles soon it won't take long before this loses more credibility... not that it has much cred at the moment.

Oh yeah... the big thing would be announcements from other companies about Zenergy. If it comes from another company it just adds all kinds of credibility and verification. Now "that" would make me smile.

GLTU

This needs a PR describing progress on manufacturing ability. It's rumored that $32M is needed. Investors should know how, where when and how that money is moving.

There also needs to be a PR from another business indicating that they will use Zenergy products. A PR from Zenergy would be terrible. It needs to come from a distributor or some entity that intends to purchase from Zenergy.

I think these two things are key if this is tangible and worthwhile venture.

It's still a hot sector comparatively. The economy will recover lol. Still, $32M to get the ball rolling won't be easy.

So from what I hear, they need $32M to start business ops and that positive income is based on the assumption that they will be able to raise/borrow that kind of money. Sure, it's a hot sector but how many others have already captialized? Aren't the big boys already on this? I wonder how much they intend to dilute to realize the $32M and I wonder which if any gov't grants/contracts they have been awarded.

In other words: Too little. Too late.

But there are other things to consider like the new patents...

It's still anybody's guess where this will be in the next few market cycles.

buhh-reeng it! lol

All downhill from here. Time to take the short position

I did and I told you my details referred to my first-hand experience. It wasn't rah rah rah and I'm not too concerned with earning your respect.

Frankly, I didn't want to draw a lot of attention to the company I'm referring to. I don't want to sound like I'm promoting that company or some sort of pumper. Although, anyone can look at my profile, see recent news and understand what I'm saying about no guarantees for results of R/S.

This is all I ever said: R/S doesn't guarantee lost value.

Okay, I think I'm done posting here. The short-sightedness is... blinding. I, nor you, can ever predict future outcomes to include presence or non-presence of shorting. I was merely presenting speculation which I'm well entitled to and given my recent experience it makes sense to me. TIFWIW

Oh, and no I did not take a position last week. I took an insignificant position several months ago. Do I hope this does well? Yes, I hope all businesses do well.

One more by the way... I've actually enjoyed most your posts. I don't know why you feel it necessary to be so rude to me.

Good day and good riddence. I only tolerate so much rudeness.

I'm sure that's the norm but in my first-hand experience, I'm correct. I do credit you as knowing a lot more about this company than I. However, given the existing revienues, customer base, and market sector I'd say that a low float combined with the right news can make this go.

All I was saying is that it's not guaranteed to lose money given the right conditions. Additionally, a lot of money can be made burning shorts in these situations. The "no brainer" short play after R/S can present an obvious opportunity to anyone with the dust to move the PPS upward and profit off the "no-brainer" traders. Re-read, think about it. Markets have been low but are uncertain and could turn either way. Volatility is high when the float gets low (after an R/S).

You aren't guaranteed to lose money after a R/S. Quite the opposite can happen considering 1) Lower float, and 2) News/Company developments and associated buying pressure.

Still a viable company with revenues in the several millions AFAIK.

They are correct in your evaluation. This camp is fraudulent, it always was and should be always fraudulent.

This supply sucks. It sucked always and it sucks tomorrow.

If you had the money to burn initial shorters you could stand to make a lot of money on both ends. First by burning the initial shorts who saw this as a no-brainer short win and then by burning the nice people who actually think there is something worthwhile going on with this company.

It's such an obvious scenario although there is no proof either way. For all I know their could be some merit to this whole biofuel/detector company crap. lol

So the float is low but the A/S remains huge. So they can dilute big time again if they choose to do so. So when will they dilute? It's already at .05-ish... Plenty of room to go down to .0001 and plenty of room to diltue all the way down. The question is, are the short players ready for this or are they nervous? I know, not much to be nervous over realistically but the bigger sharks may still be in the water...

It's funny to cast shorters in this light. They almost seem as fluffy and innocent as the traditional trader lambs. lol

It's hard to say. I'm not getting my hopes up.

Oh, and hi2u too. Thanks. Hope all is well with you.

DE = Delaware? Isn't that where the company is registered? I know they are out of MA but I think the registry or w/e is through DE.

I prefer opinionated synopsis but analogy works, I suppose.