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You are either missing the point or denying the point. This company CEO made a public statement that they are on the wreck. I've dove many wrecks and worked many wrecks, so knowing if you're on the wreck you find things, many things. I personally am impressed with the plate rims, flintlock pistol, etc. as previously found by Heartland, Inc. years past but for this outfit diving day after day in good weather and finding zilch is rather sad. The lack of discovery - recovery continues to support my contention that this is a break away part of the shipwreck (flotsam). It is also my opinion that these are, as researched and stated, 1715 shipwreck artifacts. The question remains where is the main shipwreck site, a mile away or miles away?
In very high probability......... Flotsam . Truly, flotsam comes from a shipwreck but that could be a mile away or miles away where it originally wrecked. Each day that goes by and they fail to produce more definitive evidence, the more likely this concept becomes. Those who have found shipwrecks and worked shipwrecks well know that.
Quote: Let's say that SFRX finds the conception.
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Its spelled Concepcion.
Quote: More white noise
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Hanging out the Spanish carrot on a string is what white noise is all about. Apparently diving conditions are quite favorable so when your "on the wreck" divers find things. What's been found or is that a well kept secret?
Quote: So now the story is, Spain and Seafarer....
have a DEAL?
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Is this some kind of fairytale or the likes? If this was what it is portrayed to be, and Spain made a deal with a U.S. entity to salvage "their" shipwrecks, this would inevitably have to be negotiated first with the Federal government and then the State of Florida. Again, back to a previous post I had made, why would Spain do such a deal with a company that has a CEO with no track record, never salvaged a historic shipwreck in their 10 + or - history. The only thing I've seen thats creditable is SFRX's ability to hire creditable academic names in the so called industry which anyone can do if you have the money. There are a number of experienced, tried and proven, companies that would be first in line if this was the case. It would be interesting if SFRX disclosed with what Spanish Government Ministry they had there meeting and with what Minister?
Interesting. Spain doesn't do deals with treasure hunters. Secondly, even if they did, why would they do a deal with an entity that's never salvaged a historic shipwreck in the entire ten year existence of this company? Beginning to sound more like a hot air ballon society.
You have really got to be kidding. Spain is the ram-rod lead country for the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty. 100% hostile towards commercial treasure hunting enterprises. DeBry well knows that. In addition, Spain has shut down access to their (AGI) Archives of the Indies in Seville, by anyone to be identified as doing research for the sake of finding and salvaging treasure wrecks. Depending on how one looks at it, realistically, great company paid vacations.
Of further interest is the fact that it was disclosed during the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty Conferences in Paris back in 2000, that any Spanish ship that had artillery provided by the Crown came under the category as a warship. If the 1715 "Concepcion" had artillery provided by the crown (not highly likely), it poses a problem to the discoverer/salvor.
Poor visibility, etc., etc,. Thats what ferrous, non-ferrous underwater metal detectors and magnetometers are all about when in the hands of "experience" professionals. It may seem strange to you, coming from me but I'd actually like to see them find this wreck and therefore vindicate themselves.
To be honest, not funny at all. Those artifacts were recovered many years ago by Heartland. This outfit has been playing in this area now for a number of years, finding one cannon (initially found by Heartland), a buckle and some odds and ends in side or upper deck wood. All probable signs of a trail of flotsam, not an actual shipwreck of which they claimed "they're on". This is just my opinion but then what would I know? Now, many back to back good diving days. Are they discovering 18th Century cultural material typically found in a shipwreck site and in its perimeter?
Cannons, anchors, ballast, numerous olive jars & shards, lower hull timbers, ceramics, cross section of artifacts, cargo, weaponry, etc., gold and silver coins and bars. That's usually indicative of being "on" a shipwreck. About time for discovery and not assumptions.
Quote: I suspect if anything significant is found then the state will do what it can to avoid issuing a recovery permit and would likely get in touch with Spain immediately.
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I don't necessarily agree with that. It would certainly by legal hypocrisy for the State of Florida, under contract with SFRX, to voluntarily commit such an act. If and when SFRX discovers a new Spanish treasure bearing shipwreck, undoubtedly they shall soon come to know American attorney Mr. James Goold, the "kingdom of Spain's legal hatchet man. The State of Florida need say nothing.
The GME litigation is not with Spain. its with France and the State of Florida. When France stepped into the picture, the State aligned with them (because of the assumed historical importance of the probable shipwreck) and thus "stabbed GME in the back".
I differ with your opinion. It would not be a Federal event. An example is the litigation thats been going on between Global Marine, Inc., France and the "State of Florida" over the discovery of the French artifacts
(bronze cannons, land claim marker, etc. off of Cape Canaveral. Global was not protected by the State when France imposed itself into this situation.
In my post regarding Kyle Kennedy's interview, I was not implying he was being necessarily deliberately disingenuous but only perhaps naive. I don't appreciate your strongly suggestive interpretation as to what "I might be thinking". I implied nothing relative to dishonesty or fraud so let that be clear. As this company has never in ten years found any significant treasure, how would they even know what Spain's reaction might be?
I curiously listened to this interview. So the CEO says the State of Florida owns the wrecks. Really? If that be so, does the State of Florida provide a in contract clause of indemnification meaning if Spain comes after the salvor, they're legally protected by the State? Of course not. SFRX has never found any treasure so they lack experience in these matters. Dream on.
Quote: As a SHAREHOLDER, I 100 percent know that we are on the wreck. How? Because Kyle told me so personally.
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Now that's really impressive. The CEO told you. Where's the evidence? A very well kept secret. Right?
There have now been a running stretch of good weather diving days and apparently continuing. Being "on the wreck" as its been said, only a number of days had been anticipated to start seeing results. Sea-state not going to get too much better than this unless a flat calm sea is needed for producing results for this outfit. I would thing its time to produce. Good luck. Nows the time. Wreck site or flotsam?
AMZ552-112130-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
1032 AM EDT Mon Jun 11 2018
THIS AFTERNOON
Southwest winds 5 knots becoming southeast 5 to
10 knots early, then increasing to 10 to 15 knots late. Seas 1 to
2 feet with a dominant period 7 seconds. A moderate chop on the
intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
South winds 10 to 15 knots becoming southwest 5 to
10 knots after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period
8 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance
of showers and thunderstorms in the evening.
TUESDAY
West winds 5 knots becoming southeast 5 to 10 knots in
the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds.
A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers
and thunderstorms.
TUESDAY NIGHT
South winds 10 to 15 knots diminishing to 5 to
10 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A light chop on the
intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers and thunderstorms
in the evening.
WEDNESDAY
West winds 5 knots becoming southeast 5 to 10 knots
in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A light chop on the
intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
South winds 10 to 15 knots becoming southwest
5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of showers
and slight chance of thunderstorms.
THURSDAY
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance
of showers and thunderstorms.
THURSDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southwest
after midnight. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
FRIDAY
Southwest winds 5 knots becoming south 5 to 10 knots in
the afternoon. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
On going clown show.
Dangerous conditions? Are 1 to 2 foot (even 2 to 3 foot) seas too much for SFRX divers to dive in?
AMZ552-082200-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
421 AM EDT Fri Jun 8 2018
TODAY
North winds 5 knots becoming southeast 5 to 10 knots in
the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds.
A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Slight chance of showers
in the morning, then chance of showers and thunderstorms in the
afternoon.
TONIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 feet with a dominant
period 9 seconds. Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters.
Chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Chance of showers.
SATURDAY
South winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southeast 10 to
15 knots in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant
period 8 seconds. A moderate chop on the intracoastal waters.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY NIGHT
South winds 10 knots becoming southwest 5 to
10 knots after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Mostly smooth on the
intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and slight chance of
thunderstorms.
SUNDAY
Southwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming south 10 to
15 knots in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A moderate chop on
the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SUNDAY NIGHT
South winds 10 to 15 knots becoming southwest
5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance of showers
and thunderstorms.
MONDAY
West winds 5 knots becoming south 5 to 10 knots in the
afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
MONDAY NIGHT
Southwest winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
TUESDAY
Southwest winds 5 knots becoming south 5 to 10 knots
in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Slight chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
No doubt about it. Moment of truth. Sea conditions good.
AMZ552-061600-
Volusia-Brevard County Line to Sebastian Inlet 0-20 nm-
353 AM EDT Wed Jun 6 2018
TODAY
West winds 5 to 10 knots becoming variable 5 knots late
in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 9
seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Numerous showers
and thunderstorms.
TONIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southwest after
midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8 seconds.
Mostly smooth on the intracoastal waters. Scattered showers and
thunderstorms in the evening, then slight chance of showers after
midnight.
THURSDAY
Southwest winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southeast 10
knots in the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet with a dominant period 8
seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of
showers and thunderstorms.
THURSDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots becoming southwest
after midnight. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Mostly smooth on the
intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and thunderstorms in the
evening, then slight chance of showers after midnight.
FRIDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet. A
light chop on the intracoastal waters. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
FRIDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SATURDAY NIGHT
South winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 1 to 2 feet.
Chance of showers and thunderstorms.
SUNDAY
South winds 5 knots becoming southeast 5 to 10 knots in
the afternoon. Seas 1 to 2 feet. Chance of showers and
thunderstorms.
Quote: I disagree..big things coming imo
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Of course you disagree. Agreeing wouldn't serve your personal interests. INOH is a 100% Goldberg scam play and everyone knows it.
Quote: NO FAKE NEWS HERE!!..it's all real
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Its real alright. Historically proven repetitious bull shit.
Quote: Its coming i can feel it!!
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Be more specific. I assume your referring to the eminent SEC shut down of this SCAM. Long, long over due
Quote: It is believed that the vessel scatter
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I too have read through the report. I have allot of respect for Dr. Baer but he is not definitive with regard to "vessel scatter". I've had experience with shipwreck flotsam which when specifically defined can be categorized as "vessel scatter". I continue to maintain my opinion that what has thus far been found is flotsam which certainly came from a main shipwreck source, probably being the 1715 Concepcion, but the main concentration of which is not there in the immediate area. That could be a mile away or ten miles away. SFRX, keep looking. Again stated, just my opinion based on a little in the field experience background.
You're assuming far too much actually. i've worked for three other entities as well. Fact is it makes little difference. SFRX is what it is.
Quote: A potential employer
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Most unlikely. I've always worked with professionals.
Quote: Kyle Kennedy is the new age treasure Hunter.
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That said, I'd prefer the old age treasure hunters. They found treasure. This "new ager" hasn't found notable treasure in over ten years and counting. History making, yes indeed. Probably the longest running treasure hunting marathon of non-production in the history of the industry.
Quote: You should have his private number with all your diving experience and all.
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Why should it be of interest to me to have Kyle Kennedy's phone number. Respective to the treasure hunting , treasure finding industry, who is he?
Quote: None the less its mega exciting news to me.
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Is this how a public trading company works. You have all this exciting news but the public doesn't?
The bottom feeders are back in the pond again. Must be a new Goldberg P & D scam in the making.
Quote: He has lots of things going on.
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Would any of that have anything to do with learning how to find treasure?
Quote: It's diving season can't we be more optimistic?
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Nothing wrong with optimism. Matter of fact its needed. I'm only suggesting that statements should not be made that cannot be supported with facts.
Quote: We are on the wreck we just need a few good days of diving.
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"We are on the wreck" Obviously an unprovable statement. If I'm wrong, then show the evidence.
Maybe Thursday on through the week end.
AMZ555-082100-
Sebastian Inlet to Jupiter Inlet 0-20 nm-
405 AM EDT Tue May 8 2018
TODAY
Northeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet with a
dominant period 5 seconds. A moderate chop on the intracoastal
waters.
TONIGHT
Northeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet with
a dominant period 5 seconds. A light chop on the intracoastal
waters.
WEDNESDAY
Northeast winds 10 to 15 knots. Seas 3 to 4 feet
with a dominant period 6 seconds. A moderate chop on the
intracoastal waters.
WEDNESDAY NIGHT
Northeast winds 10 to 15 knots diminishing to
5 to 10 knots after midnight. Seas 3 to 4 feet. A light chop on
the intracoastal waters.
THURSDAY
Northeast winds 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. A light
chop on the intracoastal waters.
THURSDAY NIGHT
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Slight chance of showers.
FRIDAY
East winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet. Chance of
showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
FRIDAY NIGHT
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
SATURDAY
Southeast winds 5 to 10 knots. Seas 2 to 3 feet.
Chance of showers and slight chance of thunderstorms.
Quote: Keeping it classy...:>)
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It might be if they were actually on a shipwreck "site" at Melbourne.
Quote: -gains-third-treasure-site-
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I had never seen that before. A rather bold misleading statement (treasure site/s), surprisingly made five years ago. Somewhat misleading considering all they've found is allegedly a couple of silver coins - Spanish pocket change?
Quote: Well???? based upon hard cold facts.
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Wel!!!!!! That should be easy for you to answer. What are the hard cold facts?
They might have used her for hauling lobster from the Bahamas all winter season. Allot more profitable than treasure hunting for this outfit.
Based upon cold hard verifiable facts, explain how they are closer? Thats a rather bold statement with out supportive evidence. I and many others are waiting. You said it, you prove ir.
Quote: Where is the recovery permit for Juno?
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Oh yes, the Juno Beach wreck. I personally call this the "bait" wreck. Isn't this how it all began? I know of many of the persons; entities that played with this site before including Bob Marx, Duke Long (professionals) and others. La, la, la, la la.
Pardon me but "historical" was mean't to be HYSTERICAL