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OMG....even the crickets have died now...
"Captain, all systems are down... Communications are down & shields are down to 5%..."
"then divert emergency power from the warp core to communications....we've GOT to be able to talk!
" sorry sir, but some kind of emp bombshell has hit the warp core. Looks like it'll take at least 20 min to get it up & running again, standby
So is it true?
C'mon, don't keep me in suspense
But what about the "entertainment" value?
Dude, I never said anything about what you are referring to. Get it, NOTHING! You're having a conversation & an arguement with yourself. I never said made any reference to any of that.
Wow
Lolololololololololololol
I rest my case
Yes & that's putting it mildly.. It's word games & semantics being played, is it not?
And not only that but since "w/o predudice" means it is free to be brought up again at some later time, by default, that is the OPPOSITE of settlement even when the word is used in that context. In other words, if someone says it's settled because a case was ruled dismissed WITH predudice, THAT would at least make some kind of grammatical sense, but equating "without predudice" with a "settlement" is wrong and I find it purposely disingenuous to boot.
"What’s interesting is, YOU FORGOT TO ADDRESS ALL THE OTHER FACTS ON THE LIST! That you have yet proven aren’t true."
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That's ridiculous. I went thru the entire list, point by point & addressed ea one afaik. Then I remember going back to check that I covered ea one & it appeared as tho I did.
That reply has nothing to do w/what my post was about. Nothing. 1st, I commented "so what" about it taking 4 weeks. Who cares? What difference does that make to anything? Your reply is about "selling your millions". That's either a diversion or lack of comprehension as to what's being talked about. I don't care about anyone's alleged millions. The only reason some ppl insist on bringing up "their millions" all the time, is obvious to me & a complete waste of time as far as I'm concerned. Luckily, there's not too many who talk about "their millions" all the time. In any event, all I did was agree it took 4 weeks for the vplm price spike. Who cares? And I corrected a couple things just to set the record straight.
#1, I don't need to prove anything, although in effect, I have proven what I said, not because I remember what ppl said and/or didn't say about these things, but because I put forth the challenge for anyone to refute my refutations of the original list of allegations by simply presenting the evidence which is right here in the board record. Doesn't get any more fair or liberal than that. After all, the original allegations must have come from the board to begin with & so ALL the evidence is there to find & use to support the allegations. That's a very easy thing to do for many ppl. So, as I said, afaic, I've already proven my refutations since I'm certain that no one will be able to show different. That leaves me correct by default since no one can or will provide any proof to backup the orig BS allegations. And make no mistake, they ARE BS! I've heard them all before & many are no more than copycat regurgitations. Some don't even make sense in terms of ea time the allegation is repeated, the more corrupted it becomes, until it becomes nonsense, red herrings, hyperbole. In fact, there are examples of that in your post...
Example:
"vplm didn't win all those IPRs"
No one ever tried to say that. The original allegation was that supposedly many ppl said that vplm would not win any of the IPRs. I don't recall anyone saying that. It's possible somebody might have, but I don't think it was something much if at all. If I'm correct about that, then that deems it a bogus allegation to begin with. Remember, these allegations were presented as things that were commonly & often said by some. If any allegations represent someone with a passing opinion, rarely, if ever heard, then it ot warranted to include it in a list of allegations that are supposed to be serious mistakes or lies. And of course, added to that is the fact I've explained many times that the IPR decisions weren't true "wins" anyway because they gained zero in the decisions (with the possible exception of estoppel, which I've never seen that used or brought up in any proceedings). So far those IPR decisions have not to my knowledge, cut any cheese anywhere at any time other than the mere "bragging rights", and I said this would be the case before the decisions even came out. And then, last but not least, the fact that the ptab was proven to be a corrupt organization. Of course there was a clean sweep after powerful & eloquent Sawyer threatened them with federal RICO charges, lol.
Next:
"they didn't get the patents approved".
Another example of something one ever said to my memory. Heck, one of the patente was already approved before the acquisition which in itself debunks such a silly allegation. And the rest of the patent applications were very close to approval already, so this allegation makes zero sense. It's just bullshit fabrication. I guess you have to make up bogus allegations when there is nothing solid to use against the negative vplm sentiment. An understandable human foible.
Next:
"those infamous shares aren't coming back"
If I were you, I wouldn't even bring that up since I see that over time, you have said both that the shares WILL come back & WON'T ever come back so I'd step away from that one. Regardless, it's such a simple thing to address since no shares have ever come back, period. And vplm 1st said they would, the better part of 10 yrs ago. It's not even worth an argument. No shares have ever come back...
Well, there you have it. All debunked handily and truly.
I'm done speaking on it unless contrary evidence is shown.
That's right, it took 4 weeks. So what?
And it was 45 cents not 43. And it was not the all time hi (as I've shown before).
DD.....DD......DD......DD......DD.........DD...
That's what I figured. Typical. No proof because you can't prove. Like I said, I've read this entire board from end to end, plus more & I have a very good memory. That list was AND IS nothing but BS fantasy.
As to the quote, it's goes to showing integrity (or lack thereof) because the quote is about 8 or 9 yrs old I'm guessing, which makes it a dumb thing to post because of the very nature of the quote, ie, "relatively new"...as that was way back then. Also, saying you are relatively new & uknowledgeable 8 or 9 yrs ago certainly does not make any point against my current point that the list in question is full of BS! Thus WEAK, real weak. In fact it shows nothing whatsoever.
Now for the best part...
Above is true however it doesn't include the whole context. Im fully aware of that quote & so I know it's not something you went & found. I know exactly where you got it from & why. Not your effort at all. In addition, something I don't think I ever disclosed before (when that quote was used multiple times nefariously). What it actually was about is not obvious because the content was purposely hidden by me. Of course, it's true that 8 or 9 yrs ago (or whatever it was) anyone would be less knowledgeable than they would be in the furure & its also true that I hadn't been in this thst long at that point, but that wasn't the reason I said it. The reason is there was someone whom I can't name because it's not allowed, had been very popular and had a certain well known stance about vplm. But I caught that individual taking the opposite side (of their usual sentiment) one day thus not staying consistent. I took them to task about it & then they disappeared from that day on never to be heard from again here. The rest of the context of my quote, if I recall correctly, was me saying or asking (rhetorically) isn't there a buy for every sale or a sale for every buy? (based on something they had said). So I was actually playing dumb when I opened my post that day with the part about me being relatively new & unknowledgeable.
The main point though, is that you reposting that out of context quote does absolutely zero to refute my charge that the list of things in question, is nothing but BS and I remember very well what generally said & not said here. And that's why I made the challenge for anyine to backup the BS with documentation. I know they can't. I know how easy it is to state (as a reason) "don't have time for it", and that is commensurate with posting the UNSUPPORTED bs in the 1st place.
Again, I challenge for any item on that list to be substantiated. Will never happen because it's bs and those who want the truth will see that in the end.
If it's "spot on" then prove it.
Memory lane? HA! It's a stroll down Delusionary Dr. Almost every item is pure baloney. All can be absolutely debunked by a simple check of the record. Most of them are nothing more than pure fabrication of things needed to fulfill the illusion/delusion. They simply were never said by anyone & in one case, possibly said by like one guy in passing. They are just fantasies. Again, the challenge is to show one single example in print. If it exists, it's here, so no excuse not to put up or shut up. What would happen is that my assessment of ea item would turn out to be the truth and not the BS charges. No way. No how. Time to count the crickets & prove the BS, just like the patents will eventually prove themselves bogus.
Oh & lest I forget....
"Brave" is not making up bs stories. Brave is to dig up the proof to back them up which ain't gonna happen. Now watch & see....
Like WHAT facts? There are none. Almost all were refuted. If you don't believe they were refuted, then the challenge is to actually show documentation that backs up anything named on the list. I'll wait...
If none can be backed up & still are believed in despite that, well, guess that speaks for itself.
Should be very easy to check the facts right here.
The ONLY fake news being slung here.....
.....is calling a dismissal (with or w/o predudice) a "settlement". It is not therfore is fake news, or phoney news or misled news or misunderstood news. It's actually......
NEWS YOU CAN'T USE!
NEWZ THAT AIN'T TRUZ!
B-R-R-R-E-A-K-I-N-G . N-E-W-S !!!
no settlement......
Everything you just said......
......drumroll please.........
DOES NOT = A SETTLEMENT! GO FIGURE, LOLOLOLOL
Now we're back to playing "Grabbing at Straws", the home edition. Too funny
If there was a settlement, it would've been announced. There is no settlement so keep dreaming
I think I meant to say 184 shares not 135.
There it is....a classic example of the "P&D 2.O" that I spoke about here a couple days ago.
I pointed out the obvious looking manipulated pump this morning & predicted it would dump momentarily and WHOOP, 'DERE IT IS, WHOOP, 'DERE IT IS! .
So easy
According to the chart, it opens w/135 share trade (at market) and a 17% gap up?? Then followed by 3 sells.....wait, pardon me...rather opens with 3 sells (over 38k shares) THEN a buy for 135 shares....and then maintains the gap up so far. That sure looks pretty hokey to me. Thoughts?
See that big gap up open? Now watch it plummet...
The only reason to settle is if you have a damn good reason to settle. If there was such a damn good reason, settlement would've happened already, as the stakes simply just keep going up & up & up (hypothetically).
There has never been a settlement because there is no reason to settle. Pretty elementary.
And all the more reason to continually talk, talk, talk, about impending settlements, which is exactly what has occurred here for years on end and vplm has been the one to start it.
I wasn't just whistling Dixie when I said vplm has been doing this for the last 10 yrs. They've been promising settlements & licensing all along. Here's just 1 example:
"BELLEVUE, Wash., July 11, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Voip-Pal.Com Inc. ("Voip-Pal") (OTC Pink sheets:
VPLM) is pleased to announce that in response to inquiries made by VoIP industry companies, it is
preparing to license several of the revolutionary proprietary digital voice technologies contained in the
patent portfolio recently acquired from Digifonica International (Gibraltar) Limited."
and further share selling bullshit...
"Dennis Chang, President of Voip-Pal.Com, states: "I am pleasantly surprised at the level of interest
shown by major players in the VoIP industry with respect to the patents held by our wholly owned
subsidiary, Digifonica International (Gibraltar) Limited. As the company finalizes integration of this
technology with our retail site, www.pointsphone.com, Voip-Pal.Com anticipates to be well positioned to
not only rapidly gain market share in the VoIP mobile phone market but in a position to earn tens of
millions of dollars per year in licensing fees. This diversification of the revenue stream should be a
substantial bonus to our shareholders."
"If any monetary settlement is announced, we’ll reach new all time highs, IMHO."
BRILLIANT!
Really goes way out on a limb!
Will not happen. Look here for the "told ya so" in about 75 days...
andthenyoucanmovethegoalposts
New contest... Guess the percentage of s/h's who have died waiting for the ship to come in, compared to the percentage of rise in the pps during the past 4 yrs...
I dunno.. There were 6 total trades. 4 were sells of approx 200k shares & 2 were buys of 50k shares. Looks like a loss overall, bwtfdik? I don't see how you can "bring anything in" if the net is a loss...
'course, you mustn't look at that as a negative, you have to use the vplm pro logic of: "it's another great buying opportunity...<cough,cough>,and also to extend your patience to a point likely closer to dying than making out well.
How 'bout them be-bops & doo-waps? (vwap)
Pretty impressive, eh?
Strummed like a banjo & PLAYED like a violin...thats what the beliebers are.
Ea case has its own individual merits, pros & cons. No doubt many companies are indeed being bought. Happens everyday.
That's right. It's as simple as that. But there is an added fact that makes this simple truth so abundantly clear, as to be undeniable with no way around it & that is this:
The case of vplm patents is a very very special case... How so? In most all other patent troll cases, the patents are normally valued at millions, hundreds of millions & sometimes even multiple billions. And the importance of those patents is never something touted to be anything more than the run of the mill, with many other similar type of patents, ea with their own special differences that gives them the right to also become patents,thus you might see a can opener patent & another patent for the exact same thing except it has an added feature that makes it self cleaning, etc etc so on & so forth. The point is however, that none of them claim to be the end all be all patent that inherently eliminates all other possible patents & claims to be so fundamental, so as to lock down the technology & say that no other innovation is possible and to further state that "there is no way around that fact". And if that's not enough, to also claim that every single company and user of the base technology (in this case, voip service) is automatically an infringer, again stating there's no way around that fact, when asked (which is exactly what vplm said in a so conference call). Furthermore, it (vplm) has said, in no uncertain terms, by way of its own published parameters for calculating infringment damages, and counting the sheer number of infringes, to be upwards of a trillion dollars,easily. And to go yet even further, has said its voip technology is totally necessary to the operation of any & all voip services, no matter by whom or where. In other words, it claims that there is no other way for the vast voip industry to operate, outside of its vplm way. That is an outrageous claim & cannot be true as its illogical. VoIP technology and much of its variations & ancillary extentions of services, such as routing, billing & rating, etc, has been around since before the creation of vplm, regardless of the alleged searches for prior art. I have posted numerous examples of prior art here & no one paid attention because they don't want to pay attention, so they make believe it doesn't exist.
There's also lots of corruption inherent in the so called prior art searches done, as the results of such "searches" are a very valuable thing, depending on which side of the operation you're on. It's no wonder then, that so many patents wind up overturned. It's true that the vplm patemts had an unprecedented 12-0 record at the ptab, but then again, look how easy it was to simply ignore the well known vast corruption of the ptab?
That corruption is why it took 3 panels of judges & a full year to finally make their decisions. Plus the tossing out of the ptab boss in the 1st place for her blatant disregard of the law & of the SCOTUS. What finally brought a out those final decisions was the Sawyer letters which threatened to bring the ptab up on federal Rico statutes. Those preceeding facts alone, should show anyone that the ptab decisions are as virtuous as an apology from the likes of the Jeffrey Dahmers, AL Capones or Unibombers of the world.
And yet, with zero qualms, those with vested interests in vplm patemts have long touted how ultimately undefeatable the vplm patemts are, in the long run, albeit an insufferable long run (close to 20 yrs of zip, nada, nothing in terms of value).
The bottom line of all above, is that no matter how many companies out there are claimed to be simply ripoffs of others technology, it is simply illogical to assume that ALL of them are and that they all think the same as if being part of some borg-like hive mentality, regarding whether it's better overall, to steal the tech or to pay for it via purchase or licensing. Common sense dictates they wouldn't all be thieves and all think it's in the best fiduciary interest of their shareholders. And that is not to mention the utterly vast wealth that would come to them if they owned the patents & went after the infringes, an endeavor that would rake in billions of dollars in the years to come and not just in the infringment damages dollars, but clearly also in the elimination of all competition, by virtue of owning the patents. It's absurd to think that no big voip companies or other big investors, would not & could not see that the value in doing so, would vastly outdo the value of what revenues the stolen tech brings them in the meantime. The windfall from those 2 things is something that no intelligent company could possibly ignore & hope for the best, in avoiding the inevitable future infringment damages, sure to eventually come their way. Don't forget, we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars to tap,
for years to come...
All of the above is predicated on one single thing... That the patents are ALL they've been cracked up to be by the great vplm storytellers!
When all the avoidance & delays are finally past & the trials (if no one decides to settle) have reached the point of discovery, the "ALL THAT factor will start to break down & breakaway & this big fairytale will begin to fade into oblivion, same as most all the rest of the otc, micro cap,"big story" plays do.
I don't see vplm as a steaming pile of poop sandwhich at all. I see them as a shining example of accomplishment of what they set out to do yrs ago, ie, to be a successful fiat share printing, share selling poster child for patent trolls, benefitting their supporters, friends, family & goombas! A SHINING EXAMPLE!
I think you're giving the ol vwap too much credit... Most of these metrics like vwap, market trends & market cap are meaningless when it comes to vplm. Vplm, the "leader" w/no followers, is aligned w/one thing only & that is to keep printing them fiat shares & either selling them or "gifting" them to family & "friends". Keeping the "dream" alive is their only goal, so that the supporters & loyal beliebers will keep pumping in money. Patents will never be the deal.
Perhaps someone can explain the discrepancy to me...
"01/07/2022 12:03:52 Bought 384728 VPLM @ 0.0115"
Bid hit at 12:03:52 for 169,828 @ 0.0115
No trade for 384,728 shown.
Highest sell of the day was 214,900
Yeah, I see countless occasions of it in the history, ie, thus, that or the other will happen and it never does. Yup, that apple doesn't bounce far from the tree..........
I don't get the "pad" thing. There would be no "padding" of anything. I just think it's a legit question that is so obvious, it made me wonder if there's some kind of rules against.. Actually there are, but they don't stop you from doing it, just certain restrictions. Have you ever thought about it? It's a thing. It's listed in Investopedia and I can't see what's to stop anyone from doing it except if you do it too often, like within a week, then you need to have a margin acct. in order to sell quickly after buying. Outside of that, seems like legal P&D to me...
What I want to know is...what is there to stop someone from pump & dump 2.0 ?
For those who aren't familiar w/P&D 2.0, it's basically someone buying enough stock to significantly drive the pps up, which in some cases is also enough to cause other peeps to do the same......and then...with the right timing, selling into the rise...