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If this was posted on facebook I would have no alterantive but to click the LIKE option
I disagree if barrick makes a lucrative offer to Jorge and MSX, Brent must act in favour of msx shareholders Jorge on the other hand can say no but for a stuggling company one would think a sale would be great to a company who can actually mine it, $100 per share would work for me
I wonder what the response will be from this one
I am going to send the link from yesterdays article to mr panagos and ask him what is going on with pascua and i am sure i will not receive an answer
I believe that with all the bashing about lack of title with Jorge and poor management with MSX i think its time to direct the question of ownership and fraud at pascua, why not contact the company in question and ask barrick why they have been in court about ownership issues for the past year in chile and did not announce to their shareholders as when barrick loses the asset they have on their books due to fraud, where does that leave their shareholders and pps
Lets all catchathief at barricks toronto headquarters
Although I dont know the details, barrick has been trying everything to acquire the property to get the mine going, they have failed every time.
Why do you think barrick has not sued msx yet, THEY CANT because they know they are in hot water here for fraud
Its like saying we have it all for 17 years hoping to get it, now the clock is ticking against barrick for sure
Pumpkin, those consessions have been reported by several people in court including Barrick Lawyers in Chile that Teseros Title has the most geological interest within Pascua
Also, barrick chile has already admitted in chilean court that they do not have title to Teseros titles, very clear no fog it is soon over for barrick imo
Does anybody know how many days in advance of an AGM does the company MSX have to provide the paperwork to shareholders?
I am kind of thinking the way things are going perhaps Feb? As we have not seen anything yet or at least I have not.
Thanks in advance,
Although I agree with you, I am thinking before Christmas would be good too. lol
Correct Quer, but imo MSX will have something soon
I hope so, this has been dragging out for a looooooooooooooooooong time, I know things take time, hopefully Brent and Co have learned not to just blurb something out until they have absolute proof at law so undiniable, not even regulators will be able to protect what should be exposed to the world, hence, MSX pps should soon soar, if this was done correctly already, I believe the MSX pps should have been at about $5 now at least based on Speculation and people wanting in,
Too bad MSX could not have participated in a Gold Show or used a PR firm to help the efforts as thus far nothing..........
In the path that aims to expose the fraudulent actions of Barrick Gold Corporation in Chile, Juan Guillermo Torres Fuentealba lawyer, filed a notice on Monday, December 10, 2012 at the North Central Metropolitan Office as a background on the complaint copying of public and / or malicious use of the Protocol on Economic Integration Agreement between Chile and Argentina, called Pascua Lama.
That letter is intended that Mr. Attorney Don Jose Morales, knowingly take on a number of precautions, scope and comments made ??by the lawyer to the tenor of a copy of criminal complaint accompanied by Mr. Manuel Fumagalli-representative the crime in our country.
complaint filed by lawyer Luis Hermosilla before the 7th Santiago Court Guarantee, which provides data incomplete, while hiding omitted key information to understand the process and attacked unfairly, not so directly, but implied, Dona Maria Isabel Reyes, Secretary Head of the 17th Civil Court of Santiago.
The brief filed by Torres Fuentealba representing Lopehandia Jorge Cortes, clarifies that Barrick has never been in possession of the titles which claims to have about gold resources above, since the date of purchase contracts as of mining land had no legal status, nor were allowed to exploit other resources other than salts and nitrates, nonmetallic mineral substance.
So not having the aforementioned property, Barrick incurs a fake Pascua Lama Protocol, involving the Chilean and Argentine Government in fraud of unsuspected trim. So the project of international cooperation between the trans-Andean republics, first in world history, lacks a legal foothold.
BARRICK AGAINST Chilean judiciary
Barrick Gold Corporation, concealed key information not only in the process but also severely attacked the Chilean judiciary, by attempting to undermine the appropriateness in the case of Maria Isabel Reyes, Secretary Head of the 17th Civil Court of Santiago, accusing her of not have the legal authority to rule on disputed properties, getting only hinder the process, because the officer in question had all the power to the case and ruled adversely against crime.
All this background, only serve to demonstrate the dubious Canadian transnational proceed, showing low or no respect for the Chilean jurisdiction.
By Leonardo Robles
The Citizen
I believe good things are coming for msx investors, that article looks like a desperate leap from barrick
I am looking forward to this information to be revealed, I am thinking it is hitting the fan in barricks toronto offices, peter munk and co must know bad things are coming, wonder if there is website that one can see who is selling their shares at abx
Great news Jorge, I hope that a follow up PR from MSX to confirm your post and start driving the pps up, why are these people in chile under investigation, you said before that they were going to jail ect....ect..... and now just under investigation?
I understand they have repeatidly said, we do not hold titles in question, what kind of other tricks was barrick able to pull out of a hat to continue the silence?
Sue a Judge? Are you kidding me? To scare all Chilean judges, sounds something like barrick owns chile?
I hope good things coming soon from MSX but I also appreciate the update post
thanks
Ah ah ah Quer, you do not know for sure that is the truth, perhaps there are lawyers in the world that will work for a piece of the pie at the end of the tunnel.
This is the case in North America perhaps with Chilean lawyers as well for something such as a no brainer as I have heard more then once, soon we will see I guess or not?
In Canada there are many lawyers that will represent one who gets injured in a car accident, for example, they take a piece of the payment when that is paid out, for example, by ICBC.
The same could be happening here in Jorge's case, IF there is such overwhelming evidence in the eyes of the lawyer, they may say, sure we will kick barrick very hard in the teeth, take a per cent of your lottery winnings, then the story comes North
Amen
We know the timeframe is not going to happen unless of course a miracle were to happen
And if you do not want to read it here on ihub, I have genereously posted the English translation on Yahoo at the Barrick chat site
golfork, the article has 5 pages to it, WOW seems like Barrick will soon feel some pain, a whole lot of pain, that read is better then any PR from MSX
Great Find, soon this should be on the 6pm news in North America
CATCHATHIEF,
please update us as to the progress in Chilean Courts, you told us that you are down in Chile so why not update us as to the happenings as our BOD cannot at this point
Thanks island_looker
Then why is Barrick Chile in court wobbling at the knees say here is the title, Juege resonds, that bogus title is no good, But your honor, we own the land not that guy JL really just trust us ok, NOT!!!
Barrick is done with the disputed land so end of story
They also gave me the same lies over the phone and via email which I stil have
I agree, however, money talks and you know what walks, if the offer was large enough, lets not be stupid here, I think he would be encouraged to take it, suddenly Barrick quietly strikes his name off the bad list, and life moves on
I would gladly take 1 barrick share for 1 msx share, then hold, then when barrick announces an early start to pascua, pps shoots up sell and walk away
Easy isn't it. LOL not going to happen folks,
I bet dollars to donughts that MSX cannot put any releases out there until Final Verdict comes out of Chile as Barrick will trounce on MSX like a little bug as they have done in the past...it is a one way street here
Barrick can announce any BS they want and regulators do nothing, however, should MSX do the same, they had better have Official Documents supporting or you will know what happens, fined, sued, halted, you know how that works by now
I hope in the near future that regulators get on barrick to make an announcement to their shareholders something like this
We are in a court battle in Chile right now regarding ownership issues of Pascua Lama Project blah blah blah
We are confident that we will have this sorted out soon and that our scheduled start date will no longer be delayed
we seek safe harbour
If that ever happened, barrick pps would plummet and questions raised so therefore it wont happen
Why would barrick ever want to bring attention to this story on their own, should good things happen in Chile with Jorge v barrick you will be the first to know from MSX BOD in Canada
Barrick has no alternative at this point but to continue to lie regarding the dust, this and that, I wonder if the workers of barrick are even on the ground anymore? I doubt it but who knows?
For my one post of the day, IF this is the case, those people should be marched to jail, however, until I see somthing from a newspaper article or a PR from MSX, I will take that as a do not hold your breath as pascuaforensics has ranted WAY too much and although is correct, the timelines are out to lunch from his or her posts imo, would be a nice step in the right direction if this were the case to bring this news to Canada would be GREAT and put alot of pressure on regulators to start regulating, I also wonder if pascuaforensics is correct, WHAT was or is the value of compensation to Jorge Lopehandia from barric chile as I would imagine the courts awarding JL moneys for compensation from their fraud in Chile
Jorge, how are things coming along with the International Arrest Warrents for Barrick Brass in Toronto?
Today's PR was pretty lame, hope there is more then what I just read
well, at least I believe that my boat is floating but the barrick boat is beginning to sink, unless of course a deal is to be done to save their pascau project...
Read my post again you are looking at it from the wrong angle
Because at this point, WHO CARES if Jorge Owns it? Until Barrick is kicked again in the teeth and their Pascua Lama Protocol is cancelled at law in Chile, then Jorge shows clean title and is put on record of owning the largest ore body in Chile, then MSX's Brent Johnson would probably then sign the 50/50 joint venture, with its business partner one, Jorge Lopehandia, then you will see things move faster then Peter Munk running for the airport to dodge what will soon be coming to barrick, I believe there will be NO CHANCE of good news out of Chile for Canadian Government to save their friends at barrick
This will hopefully be on the 6pm news soon
So there you have the brief summary
That is why Barrick is in Big Trouble, because they did lie in their filings, and there you go
I would expect a PR by now, perhaps Peter Munk and Co is discussing options with MSX management to keep his people on the right side of the law in Canada as we know that Barrick has been kicked in the teeth, the arse, the balls, in Chile from Jorges legal team, they have lied their way into the corner and there is nowhere else for Barrick Chile to go.
Think about what a great message from Chilean Courts for miners not to screw around with Chile and file fraudulent documents in other countries to fill their pockets which is basically what barrick has done including future deals with other companies with nothing provable toward clean title at pascua chile
I think we have cought our thief, Barrick would be my pick
I am thinking he means MSX has seen his clean title, thats probably it
It is very unfortunate that barrick tarnished Jorge's name at canadian law years ago, with 0 credibility he will need the help of MSX through PR's to get the word out there and give this story some traction and unfortunately to date that has also failed
I suggest that MSX should now use raised funds in other avenues to get the word out there such as hiring a PR firm as I do not think Brent is able to manage this stock to success along with just 2 other on the board. He really needs to open his mind up and learn that poorly written PR's must change and should be written by qualified people with expertise in doing just that, i know there are costs for this but money well spent is better then trying to save by doing things yourself that one can not do properly
A day near this tuesday could be a very big day for msx
Will the movie be in english or spanish or both?
funny, I actually received a response from him from my email today, seems he knows that there are people talking about this issue, funny thing is as a reporter one would think that he would start working on this story and stop posting garbage for Barrick but his hands are probably tied by his boss who is probably good friends with Mulroney, now there is a guy who owns some media
FP says Barrick pays price of building Pascua by itself
2012-11-02 09:16 ET - In the News
The Financial Post reports in its Friday edition that while Jamie Sokalsky maintains Barrick Gold is getting its Pascua-Lama debacle under control, investors are not buying it. The Post's Peter Koven writes shares of the world's biggest gold miner dropped 9.5 per cent Thursday as it warned of even more cost escalation at Pascua-Lama, a giant project straddling the border of Argentina and Chile. The latest increase brings the estimated bill for Pascua-Lama up to as much as $8.5-billion, a staggering number for a project that was supposed to cost just $3-billion when it was approved in 2009 (all figures U.S.). Mr. Sokalsky took over from Aaron Regent in June, and quickly stated that fixing the project is his top priority. On Thursday, he said Barrick has completed an "enormous" amount of work toward that goal. Mr. Koven figures Barrick made a huge mistake by trying to build Pascua on its own instead of hiring a contractor, and has begun to correct that by transferring management duties to engineering outfit Fluor Corp. Barrick also hired nearly 2,000 skilled workers in the third quarter and shook up its own management at the site. Meanwhile, Barrick's projected returns on Pascua have become weaker.
I wonder if those 2000 skilled workers are still on the books of abx or have they lost their jobs or will they soon be hired by Brent and MSX?
Thoughts
Please, does anybody know why barrick has not been able to open the pascua mine for 17 years or so, anybody? Whats next, $10B and here is the buyout to MSX? WTF?
Very Interesting Article here
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/11/01/barrick-ceo-aims-to-reassure-investors-as-projected-costs-for-pascua-lama-balloon-to-us8-5b/
Thoughts?
nothing there but more lies, wow its amazing how people can get away with this fianancial terrorism and who loses here
The investor and think of all the people who will lose here when this thing soon explodes
I would think that barrick will be full of class actions among a huge deflate in pps
wonder how long barrick can continue to claim their position on pascua that is on their website that they own it and still, Canadian Regulators do not ask their friends to produce title.
I would bet that barrick is and has been lying, their friends at OSC and BCSC are in with the fraud as well, Peter Munk handing out billions to his friends in government and regulators to keep their hands at barrick out of the fire.
Every time MSX and many others probably who put in complaints regarding barrick and fraud at pascua probably get the same response from the crooked friends of barrick
We have had alot of complaints on this file, however, there is not enough evidence to move forward, the same crooked people then get a ring from barrick to politely ask them to do their job against the little guy, in this case MSX was the little guy, to retract all pr's for about a year.
What a joke, I hope that not only barrick executives go to jail for frauding the world on pascua, but they throw in the crooked regulatore right in beside them