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OT: It has provided a money making opportunity...someone on this board, he'll pop in and say something if he feels like it, e-mailed me early this afternoon that he took a flyer and bought at 94, he said he put a sell in at 125 before he left his office for the day, undoubtedly he got it......yeah he missed the high end by a long ways but made a little cheese for the weekend
IMO....don't worry about IDCC issuing a press release. That is a short term "assist" in holding the share price for now. The bigger picture is the KNOWLEDGE of the reversal which the big boys were aware of as soon as we were. That what is what will help propel and stabilize the price, not a press release. I think these guys know what they are doing and everything is calculated instead of shooting from the hip. I think those high priced hired guns are pointing the way to how to handle this whole mess...JMO
cc...done already!!!!!!!!some good things in there however brief it was...
you can't only the analysts......
Wayhaw, nope still going..
WM already done...moving on to Q&A.....wow that was quick
Philips....ongoing revs will not really ramp up until 06 and 07 per the products getting to market ...
carpenter asked whether the "upcoming 3rd qtr licensees" would be more semiconductor like Philips or 3G EOM's his quick answer "the latter"
fagan talking... says they expect additional signings of licensees in 3rd qtr
Jim Charts....do you have e-mail where I can send you something.....
Regarding Phillips, no upfront money I guess unless I mssed something...nonetheless at least something positive, as long as we GET PAID for it...I keep remembering how thrilled I was back in 99 when we worked the deal with NOK...dang buzzards
DR....how long can it take to type....N-O-K-I-A under the 3G side?
IMO..FWIW...I have always thought it may be more attractive to MFST or CSCO than QCOM....or maybe I should say more doable.....
My comment.In 1 Year Gates may want to pick up some 7,000 Patents, for some $15 Billion..that could earn him some 10% and a larger global share in his Mobile OS Division..
sjratty...agree, boy do I hope that we hear a real positive come Monday but I am very pessimistic about it at this point. Cross my fingers and toes but I expect more delay.....If I am wrong I will be the happiest person in te world, I want it to be done with now so we can move on 3G licensees..
mschere...that works for me, as did your followup that I read AFTER my post to him....this IDCC long is just chillin' wish more around here could do the same while we wait....I think when someone makes a very positive or very negative statement it would be wise to back it up with some reference, that was all I was getting at in saying it seemed like a valid post or question...I would expect the same from ED if he would have made the statement "no they don't".
ed....seems like a very valid question...EOM
georgebailey...not as long as most here I don't guess...right at 8 years. I think for the most part we have REALLY progressed in the time I have been invested. I might be naive but it seems the environment is changing and outside forces and our supposed "partners" are losing their ethics. I'm not selling, I still have a few bucks a share going down until I am back to break even. It just gets frustrating watching Interdigital do what they (and I for that matter) think is right only to have everything contested and lambasted. Its just dissappointing to me that it seems there is NO honor anymore in doing business. I do fully agree getting a positive NOK "in the boat" will make fishing much easier...then I think we can use a net instead of a hook and a court!
mschere...IMO you just need to make sure you get paid for it to do you any good. I have been thoroughly convinced that we have had the patents, had the licensing, and had the R&D to make this a very valuable company but you have to be able to COLLECT. All the standards committees, all the involvement in conferences, all the CONTRACTS don't do squat if you don't get PAID in the end. Heck even BINDING arbitration requested by a licensee now may not be enforceable. This is getting to be just like professional sports, where contracts aren't honored...
terps, we are on the same side here I was just alluding to the general term "trend" as refrenced below in the dictionary, to me it has a short term trend down. Not worth extended discussions or taking up anymore time. I understadn your point, we haven't done that bad with the bits of negative press the last week...I just hate to see us sub arb stock price...
"The relatively constant movement of a variable throughout a period of time. The period may be short-term or long-term, depending upon whether the trend itself is short-term or long-term. For example, a rising market is taken to mean that prices of most stocks are in an upward trend."
terps....I don't know about just looking at today but the TREND over the last five days is undeniable, and I don't like it....
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?t=5d&s=IDCC&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=&c=%5EIXIC
Don't know what it is but it makes no sense we are nearly back (I'm not bothering checking exact) at pre-arbitration announcement share price. NOKIA knows how to manipulate, they know how to stir IDCC shareholders. It puts people into a different frame of mind. The Friday of the arbitration announcment how many here would have sold their shares for $29? What about today? Its a vastly different number in my book. How many thought our mgmt was OK that day, and today? Short term share price changes everybodies attitude. The legitimate fear, in my book, is how long it will be before Nokia pays, I am 98% certain they will pay but when is the big question. They always find away to extend and torture, I hope our Mgmt doesn't bow to shareholders requests to "just get something" from them. Time to draw the line in the sand. I am as tired of this game as anyone here but I would rather we go back to 13.50 and dig our heals in for 6 months than fight this battle over and over again for the next 5 years with every other licensee on 3G....Loop asked why everyone is so worked up after being awarded nearly a 1/4 of billion bucks....the answered is "we don't have it yet" and Nokia is playing the same games we have seen for years...tie it up in court.....people fear IDCC will once again get the shaft....JMO
I for one won't wait ANOTHER two years. I have been extremely patient with this investment but I have also watched other investments that I have gotten out of(to buy more IDCC) rise steadily. Its lost opportunity that I can't get back but month after month, year after year I have said I thought our time was close yet a month or a year or seven years later we are still fighting the same battle on different fronts. I don't poo poo mgmt but I also know at the end of the day mgmt is measured by its results. The results of the share price during my time (7 plus years) haven't been real attractive unless you have TRADED. Even though BM said NOK isn't the end all, I think those 20 licensees he talked about will sit tight until they see if IDCC gets strangled by NOK....Just frustrated I guess will turn my back for a while....
sjratty....I hear what you are saying but as a shareholder in both companies it disturbs me that this is the way business is done. I guess I should have been born 90 years ago when there were still some ethics in business. I bought shares in NOK back in 99 when IDCC did the deal, that is now under question. I felt they were a good clean partner that via their engineering services PAYMENT admitted their need and appreciation of Interdigital talents. I thought it would be a good solid relationship going forward even as Interdigital was still a struggling company. I may have rose color glasses as to how things should be done in business but somewhere everyone should have some morals and ethics within them. IDCC and NOK agreed to binding arbitration, arbitration was carried out now both companies should live by the results. As a NOK shareholder I don't like seeing business conducted this way, as a bigger IDCC holder it really bothers me that there is so little recourse in a timely fashion.
gman....I sometime think the same way only even another step...It might be more about strangling us so as to not be paying a big nut on 3G. The 250 mill plus interest isn't big to them but the possible 3G monies might be what really has them itching to make IDCC go away or get bought out...who knows the only thing for sure is that we are all GUESSING
what is so simplistic and suprising to me is that Nokia CHOSE arbitration, when they didn't get the results that they wanted they say it may not be enforceable. It is just downright disturbing that this is the way business is conducted anymore..
ams13..maybe just maybe IDCC reconsidered their planned extensive talk on the arb results. Maybe NOK had already contacted them and let them know they were mulling it over and would prefer the professional courtesy of not expousing too much as maybe there were grounds for "Additional discussions, on alternate G's". They might have deemed it best to just stay mum for a bit....regarding share price...Will you be selling all your shares and buying back when we get to 15, which you say is a real possibility?...thanks
12B's...I hear you man...Easy explantion in MY BOOK. Too many big power holders who have been down these same types of roads with IDCC before have taken a complete wait and see approach. Very few are convinced that the $$$$ will hit the bank in the very near future. Common sense tells me if the big money guys were convinced we will get paid and it won't be a year from now we would be in the low to mid 20's. I'm guessing that magic 17.50 by Friday without news...stinks, my patience is wearing thin after all these years....
good post as usual loop....I say we first see when the money is in the bank, I put nothing past these clowns to avoid forking over the cash....great day Friday, better day tomorrow, best day when they PAY!
Re; Samsung....NOK had set aside $$$$ for pending litigation and royalty payment...not sure how much, but less than they owe IDCC....does anyone if Samsung has done the same? thanks
sjratty....I tend to agree with you. There are a lot of "new eyes" here these last few days and for them to wade through this is a bit ridiculous. Corp is getting what he wants in the end, more attention to his "cause". The very simple reality to me is that after all this time of being confronted, yelled at, sworn at, ganged up on, and any other verb you can come up with he continues the barrage of negativity. EVERYONE should be able to see that he has an AGENDA. Normal people would just say "heck with that board" I don't need the aggravation but Michael keeps posting away. For anyone (new eyes or old) who hasn't figured it out he has an reason for all his continued big question marks. Not to beat a dead horse but why else would he continue to take the abuse. He is not a dumb man, guys less intelligent than he would have said "hey I don't like getting beat up evertime I say something, I'm out of here." Michael please don't say your trying to offer a balanced look and objectivity, that just doesn't make sense. This time around you are just trying to squelch the positive effect of this ruling, IMO. It appears as though you know mgmt one this one and you are not happy about it, thus more negativity. Keep the shareholders somewhat nervous and questioning and it may help your ultimate cause. This all is just my opinion.....hold the fort down tomorrow I will be on a plane from 7:45 until 9:30 so I will miss the c.c. Good luck to all......
Amen Jim....we have literally suffered for years. We finally have the banner day many of us had researched, worked , and gambled on and he has to toss his normal blanket on the fire. If nothing else Corp, let people enjoy the moment before you get back into your mode of ridicule and negativity, you, as a "self-proclaimed" LONG even deserve to be happy for a few days....misery loves company doesn't apply today not with us that have endured through all the trials and tribulations...let it be for at least a few days, please
That is exactly what I have been thinking....NOK has said nothing....by the way Mr. Count.....to answer your Private question....my broker...he said "I had a source call me at 8:45 this morning saying IDCC would have some news at 10:00 this morning" He asked what it pertained to, answer "no comment" he asked if it was announcement on NOK arbitration, answer "no comment". I took my own advise and said well I guess we will know when its announced....
I just had a call...told me news at 10:00 a.m. no clue which way things go.....
thanks for the tip rooster bought some shares right after the open at 10.32-10.41 this morning.... I had researched these guys before but didn't have any foolin' around money until recently...only bought a 1000 shares but now something else to watch...
only my suggestion...but leave it alone, IDCC will let us know when they hear something......no need to PO someone on the other end...JMO
AMEN...people have been setting themselves up for a letdown all month....count on Aug 31st, if it comes before then.....yippppeee....granted I wish they wouldn't have thrown that date out either but hey if you have learned anything being a shareholder over the years is that be a little pessimistic when it comes to dates, you won't be AS dissappointed......let it happen, hoping and posting won't MAKE it happen..
OT: just a little humor from a fellow big ten fan living in the tar heel state...btw....enough people on the board know me...that can vouche that I'm not dmiller...been in for 7 years and perfectly content to wait it out....idiot or genius as jimlur says....don't ask my wife she can already answer it...
OT: Calm down their NUT....they might get the top recruiting class but somehow it won't translate to a big year on the court in 2006, or even the year after. violations, suspensions and controversy that's what their good at. I am just kidding you off course...
singed,
Maurice Clarett
Jim O'Brien
Paul Biancardi
Alex Radojevic
Troy Smith
Andy Geiger
Boban Savovic
dmiller...I agree with you here...lets not get ahead of ourselves, even though IDCC said they expect a decison by June 30th we do have the alternate date stated which is still a couple of months away...I will happen when it happpens...
mschere....we are going to be "in the money" if even half of these "will require a license or updated license from IDCC" events come to fruition. It seems they will have a busy year in the licensing dept if they can get off the schnide...looking forward to that day...
Delay...not a thing we can do about it but I have that childish need to say I called this back in April. Truthfully I only bring it up because of those that adamantly responded that it was impossible for that to happen and that there would be no delay. We wait on...hopefully the market doesn't crush us over this...IT SHOULDN'T....I also ahve to add if the extra timeframe spurs a complete 3G deal with NOKIA I am all for the delay
Well...it begs to ask why the heck did you call her? Let it alone...the old saying "curiousity killed the cat", can apply here. Another saying per Jimlur "let it happen, don't try to make it happen" also applies. Sit back and wait ya'll, you are not going to change a thing by digging into this, when IDCC knows something we will know, within hours.....What would you do if she said it was mailed out via DHL on May 31st? Are you going to ask for a tracking number? If DHL told you it was delivered to F&J two days ago then what. Do you see where I am going nothing any of us do is going to help or expedite the situation no matter how impatient we all are,including me. Please just leave it alone...for all our sakes
SLMan...I think several of the attorneys here have recommended NOT to contact the ICC. I would agree let F&J and IDCC handle this, no need to "p" anyone off with pressure when they may still be contemplating a decision...JMO