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"Many people in the high tech materials industry have been very eager to be able to get spider silk for bullet proof vests and similar applications and I'm quite sure they are very well aware of the qualities of both Kevlar and spider silk. If spider silk is not better, why do they want it?
im sure they are willing to test it to see if spider silk would be a suitable replacement...i doubt that they have made that determination as yet...there are many considerations...
cost would be one..especially in these economic times..kevlar stops bullets as it is now..it appears likely that the wearer of body armour might be a bit more comfortable in a vest made of spider silk...but are the fed gov, state and municipalities willing to pay extra for that additional comfort?......perhaps yes if it could be shown to improve the performance of the wearer...
lots of considerations..
im sure body armour companies are very interested in spider silk...that doesnt mean that spider silk use is a done deal..even if it is better..
"And why have so many companies been trying so hard to make it?"
because spider silk may have other uses even if its not used specifically for body armour......thats why...
it seems you feel that in order to make spider silk stronger it has to be made heavier and lose elasticity...
unless spider silk can be made into vests that are significantly stronger than say, dragon skin, and is significantly lighter than dragon skin, then maybe it will accepted as a superior replacement...
but if it is essentially the same in weight and elasticity, forget about it...
and it would seem that if you have to start introducing metals and such, it should add weight to the spider silk and lose some elasticity...and there goes any advantage spider silk had...especially if it costs more to manufacture or the same as dragon skin or kevlar...
i see kblb hitting the .20's only once in sept...and that was last year...not sure why everyone seems to think sept is suddenly magical for kblb.....kblb hit the .20's in june...is june now magical as well?..
im not sure what the big issue is with kevlar and its flexibility...you guys make it sound like kevlar has terrible flexibility...its flexibility is actually fine...
if you start putting shock plates and stuff all over it then yea that reduces its flexibility a bit...and if you want it to stop 7.62 rounds without so much as a slight bruise then yea, you are going to have to make the vest thick as heck and that will reduce its flexibility...
but if you want a vest that will stop most rounds and allow you to survive, the vest can be more than flexible enough and light weight..
and if you have to use as much spider silk to make a vest as you do kevlar, then i doubt the flexibility will differ much fom one to the other....maybe spider silk will be a bit more flexible, i dont know...but i doubt it will matter that much and i doubt anyone will pay more or switch over for the difference..
wow...500k worth of shares or a million..you think he cares which one it is?...lol
Fine..I think I get it now...pure spider silk announcement is imminent unless it isnt..in that case it may not be until October..depends on things that you are unaware of....
I second that prediction
it wont "track" the overall market...but when the overall market drops like a rock, kblb will also...as you have recently seen..
"Well done, you've clarified a mute point- made after the fact - which had a 50 percent chance of coming thru at that"
i believe you mean "moot" point..and yes it was after the fact as i so clearly stated...therefore it had a 100% probability of being accurate....there was no prediction made..lol
"Im still of the opinion that what people, myself included, say on this board will have very little or no effect whatsoever on the eventual outcome of this venture"
yes..ive said the same thing many times..long before you..
my reply had almost nothing to do with what you said..i was simply informing you of information that you seem to be unaware of..
"I note that you very rarely use actual quotes and IMHO the reason for that is readily apparent"
well you note wrong then...i very often use quotes...
well you did have one mistake...i actually think it IS his job to make excuses for kblb...
"IMO it is purely for amusment purposes only when you choose to explain why after the fact"
well i wasnt explaining anything...i was stating what took place..and when the heck else would it be possible to explain something that happened until after it has happened?..lol
"when it comes down to brass tacks- overall market conditions were not the root of KBLB's recent decline"
depends on how recent you are talkinga bout...stocks can certainly fall on their own as kblb often does...but i was refering specifically to when the statements were made and when a large percentage delcine occcured in kblb right after...THAT was based on the overall terrible market conditions prevailing at the time...
"I choose not to look closely at "those"- "They" can do that for themselves"
and yet, my point was made...
thank you..excellent post..eom
theres no doubt that if there is decent news, the pps will go up...heck, sometimes after a period of nothing happening, even lousy news will cause a spike..thats with ANY stock..
but as you place your bets (because i suspect you are mostly guessing) take into consideration the overall market as well..
many here were saying that the slump in the overall market wouldnt affect kblb...and then no sooner did they say that than it did..
if you look closely, those were the ones who also tell you that they buy kblb everyday and that kblb is a sure thing..
october seems to be a month that doesnt go well for the markets when things aint so good...and things aint looking so good..and october is not that far away...
better hope for qe3
hmmm..so kblb will go from running on borrowed money from shysters, putting off simple fairly inexpensive things, and a one man operation, to making billions...just like that?...
lol...ah yes..the dreams that thousands of pink sheets are made of...and where millions of dollars of unsophisticated investor money goes to die...
but hey..you got a million to one shot of being right.....just not very good odds though..
yes yes i know...sticky fingers baby!..or is it zinc?..whatever...mutations, big worms, dr frankenstein...lol
good luck with that...
a warrant can equal one share or the warrant can equal 10 shares or a hundred shares..depends on how its structured...
everyone seems to be assuming that those warrants are 1 for 1...i dont know...just throwing it out there..
nothing said on this message board affects the pps one little bit...so there goes your whole post
"I am done with this conversation"....apparently you are not..lol
Oh geez now we are going to argue semantics...the p/e fluctuates depending on the pps...the multiple it is given also fluctuates..or what the market gives it..or maybe it's that gypsy with the crystal ball if you like...whatever...
as manshoon stated, its also about the potential for future earnings that are based on guidance given by the company...ill add that analysts also give their estimates as well based on their study of the stock and the numbers...the pps can be given multiples of 7, 15 or whatever...at some point it could go to far..depends..i could go on about book value, good will etc but im pretty sure it would be over your head..
so no, its not about gypsies or crytal balls or any other such nonsense...its the stock market...thats how it works...thats how its done....
"The real point is that it was an excessive amount of inappropriate emails that drove Dr Kaplan to withdraw from the board"
at least thats what you have been lead to believe..from e-mails and whispered to others on the phone...
"Since the reason for his withdrawal was publicity it would be reasonable to hope that he might return when things became less controversial"
no..it wasnt "publicity"...i thought it was e-mails?...now you are deciding it was something else as well?...
and if e-mails were enough to drive him away, what in the world would lead anyone to believe that his coming back is reasonable?...when things become less controversial?...well once that happens what in the world would we need him for?...that would mean kblb has already made it or failed...
oh so maybe hes on the board but maybe hes not..although he could be about to get on board, but possibly not..unless, but maybe.......wait what??
"It would be stupendously inappropriate for anyone to email Dr. Kaplan anymore and IMHO would indicate a flagrant disregard for the welfare of KBLB if not worse"
oh get off it already...kaplan is not a child...if he gets too many e-mails and doesnt like it im sure his big brain can figure out how to deal with it...and kaplans staying or leaving is no big deal to kblb....many longs have said as much....and apparently the ad board never even meets...kim just calls them whenever he feels the need..which means they were just there for show anyway...
"I'm sure the reason Kim didn't "just loan the company the (up to) 1.5 million" is that he would have had to sell $1.5 million worth of his own shares to do that"
kim doesnt have to sell any of his shares...the COMPANY can sell shares...its not that complicated of a concept..
"OR HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING WHATSOEVER FROM THE RECENT INCIDENT WITH THE ABSENCE OF A SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR?!"
yes..we've learned that the company wont necessarily tell the public or shareholders everything that is pertinent...we've learned that the company will hold off reporting bad news..and we've learned that they are more than willing to place blame for whats goes wrong on shareholders...and we've learned that when an explanation is necessary, they will whisper sweet nothings over the phone and via e-mails so that they may be posted on chat boards as third party info...but nothing publicly because heaven forbid it should irk someone who has nothing to do with kblb, wants nothing to do with kblb, whom they dont need and owe absolutely nothing too..
why would you only want to limit profits to longs?..why do you care who makes money?..why are longs so much better than anyone else?..
"This would reward the longs who keep their money in KBLB"
lol..when a stock goes up people make money...long termers, short termers, flippers or whatever else you want to call them...
"not be able to afford to get back in and we would be rid of some of them forever"
theres no such thing as not being able to afford...and although you do not understand how the stock market works, you need all of them in kblb...its to everyone's advantage..
and unless kblb pops and then does nothing after, they will all be here and stay for awhile...
and so you feel that the 2 e-mails are sufficient to blame this message board for the entire incident...and based on that, the idea that an explanation as to why kblb never informed anyone of kaplans resignation should be posted, heresay, onto this board is appropriate and sufficient?...
is that your contention?
and i have spoken about this before as well..and i will do it again...the fees are nothing compared to what kblb is having to pay and go through with calm seas...
as for daily volume...who cares?...just do it...dump 30 mil shares or whatever is needed on the market...take the money and be done with it...clam seas is not worth it...
so the pps might drop?..its dropping anyway!...and whats the worst that could happen?...everyone can buy the cheap shares you all love so much!...
should be a win/win for everyone...whats wrong with that?..
are some afraid that kblb will be selling the shares for less than what they could a few months from now?...so what?..if they need the money now then do it now...
the pps should sky rocket in the next few months anyway so what is there to lose...30 mil shares now will keep the future pps from hitting 2 bucks?..instead it will only hit 1.95?..
does that matter that much?..
dilution is the only way to go for so many different reasons...it really should not even be an argument...
perhaps if pure spider silk were a whole lot farther away than anticipated, then i could see hesitating to dilute...that would be the only reason...
hmmmmmmmmmm..
if all csc is doing is buying shares, then why is kblb selling it to them at a 20% discount?..why wouldnt kblb just sell the shares themselves into the open market and keep 100% of the money?...and also avoid having to keep ben around and also keep his 20 mil shares?..
Wow...unbelievable..Is that really what you think calm seas is doing??..brokering??..selling shares for kblb and getting a discount for that service??..is that what you were told?..
Wow
Who cares what ben's day is like??..I would care what he gets done..I would want results...I don't care if it takes 12 hours or 20 minutes..
Oh geez..have we missed the guy?..the guy said take me off the board, I don't want to be on it..and kblb interprets that's as the door is still open?..and for that reason he says nothing to investors?...
God forbid the guy gets another unwanted e-mail...
This is just ridiculous now
Exacerbate what problem?...why would you, kblb or anyone else feel such a huge obligation to Kaplan??...the guy reneged on his agreement to consult with kblb...he never did a thing for kblb and he quite likely never will...and to hear everyone speak of him now,he is no big deal to kblb anyway...
So why should the CEO feel such an obligation to him as opposed to his shareholders who he most certainly should feel an immense obligation too?
Neither Fraser nor Ben said anything about this message board being involved in kaplans decision to not become involved with kblb...all they said was he got e-mails and/or phone calls from vc's...some thought it might have been investors posing as vc's... The fact of the matter is they don't sound like they really know..they just guessing and you are taking their guess work as fact...and then you are only assuming that the investors are from this board but are posting it as fact...
So far all we know is that Kaplan is purported to have resigned due to receiving unwanted e-mails..we don't even know if that is a fact...kblb thinks it might have been investors sending the e-mails...and you have decided they must have been from this board...
And because of all this pure conjecture you think it's just fine that the explanation by kblb about why Kaplan's resignation was never announced or explaned should be explaned by e-mail on a message board...
No.. That doesn't cut it..doesn't even come close..in fact it's complete bs
"Ben's explanation thru a chat board makes perfect sense if you consider what he's trying to do"
i agree if what hes trying to do is treat everyone on the board like idiots...then yes, it makes perfect sense...
I don't hold penny stocks...never..for any reason..ever..
I also don't purposely fail to take thousands in profit for fear I may miss the mother lode...if the mother lode comes I will profit from it quite well anyway...perhaps you will do better than me..I'm ok with that..
No I'm truly not interested in the tech..not even a little bit..I also don't call the ir guy or the CEO..those guys are usually so full of bs it's not even funny...
For example, look at the explanation given by Ben about the Kaplan situation..total bs..and not put on the record either..all done via e-mail and chat board..
Oh yea..this company is going big time any day now..lol
did i read that right in the 10q?..the ceo forgave 75k in salary and gave himself one million bucks in stock instead?..
and everything in the 10q is unaudited?..
quite frankly, kblb should be trading in the dollars right NOW with what they say they have going and the proximity of success being right around the corner..
the fact that they are trading at .10 should be an eye opener for everyone...
some of the reason is calm seas...some of it is poor management...no actually if any of what the ceo says is true, the .10 pps is nothing less than incredibly terrible management..
and it appears that the investment community simply doesnt believe anything he is saying...
why the big difference?..most here think everything he puts out is monumental and will surely lead to millions in their pocket...while the rest of the investment community is perfectly happy to wait and see...or have no desire to waste their time with kblb at all...hmmmmm
the issue isnt whether kaplan is all that or not...although many hailed his association with kblb as some kind of huge deal at the time...given his stature and credibility etc etc...he was at the time thought to be quite a catch for kblb's advisory team..a leading expert in the field yada yada...
but now that he is not involved in kblb, suddenly, he really isnt all that...
makes no sense but fine..kaplan is no big deal now...
the issue is that kaplan has been long gone and no one was told...that IS a big deal...and it it SHOULD be explained...and it SHOULD be a high priority...
the fact that it evidently is not speaks volumes for how the ceo feels about his shareholders...it doesnt even matter whether the kaplan issue has a positive explanation (highly doubtful)...what matters is that the ceo feels no obligation to inform shareholders of what exactly occured...
the issue brings into question the integrity of the ceo and the degree to which he feels responsible to shareholders...
of course many here dont care about any of that...you're to invested to rock the boat...you just want results and at this point dont care how that happens...
well i assure you the investment community takes these issues quite seriously...
its no wonder kblb is still at .10 and cant get money from anywhere else other than bottom feeding lenders...
the IR guy is consumed with science?...is he a scientist?..what role does he play in handling the science end of things...
pretty much nothing id say...he should be consumed with answering shareholder questions who have legitimate concerns over questionable issues...
for that matter, i dont see the ceo being consumed with any of the science as well..
"ANY POST THAT CONTAINS A SUGGESTION THAT READERS VIOLATE THE PRIVACY OF A COMPANY ASSOCIATE WILL BE DELETED"
i did absolutely no such thing...and furthermore
kaplan is not a kblb associate or any other vague realtionship you want to put them under...kaplan has no association with kblb and quite possibly never has...
i think its safe to assume that the ceo is doing damage control...hes probably in contact with kaplan and working out a way out of the situation with him...i have my doubts kaplan will play ball though...
the ceo will either completely ignore the situation or issue some lame sentence in the 10q that indicates kaplan opted out of the advisory board for personal reasons..
what he would like to do is dump it all on kaplan saying that the reason he never announced his departure was to appease the good doctor and respect his privacy blah blah lie lie...
but that would open kaplan up to more questioning...so again, i doubt he will play ball...unless they make it worth his while...
or like i said, the ceo could simply opt to say nothing...he can simply say screw the shareholders..i dont have to tell them anything...
some believe that if the ceo explains nothing then he is doing so to appease a man who agreed to do something for the company and then reneged on that agreement before doing anything..that it is for some unknown reason, so important to appease this one man, that the ceo would decide to not explain anything to his hundreds of shareholders to whom he owes much and appease the guy he really owes nothing to..
oh yea..makes sense...
"There is no contradiction at all if you read the wording carefully.
"I have not consulted with them at all" does not mean that he did not agree to be on the board and to be listed, it means that he never attended a meeting"
do you even know if there ever has been a meeting of the advisory board?..do you know if there even still is an advisory board?...or if there really ever was?...
and kaplans saying that he has never consulted with kblb also tosses out your contention that he may actually be consulting with kblb even though he says he isnt...
"There could be excellent reasons for not issuing a PR"
there are no good reasons for allowing investors and potential investors to believe that a well respected individual is a part of an advisory board when in fact he is not...it is irresponsible, bad business and just plain wrong...
you are simply believing that e-mails was the reason he left or didnt come on board...no one really knows...fraser said he thought that was the reason...thats all..
and there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to believe that kaplan is still advising kblb on anything...you would simply be calling him a liar as he stated he has never consulted for kblb...
"Members of the Science Advisory Board are not employees of the company, they are consults and consultants TO THE COMPANY and NOT to the investors.)"
it doesnt matter...if they are having some say in what occurs at kblb then there is no difference bewtween them consulting and being employees...and there would certainly be no difference in their importance to investors...
it has not been shown that anyone has harrassed anyone...
"(Note also that it was mentioned on this board many weeks ago that Dr. K was no longer listed on the board's webpage"
and?..the point being?....what is "mentioned" on this board does not necessarily mean a thing...
"Some here are continuing to use Dr. K's name in discussions when there is no need to do so and it clearly conflicts with his expressed desire to be left out of this"
i couldnt care less what kaplan desires...if anyone is that concerned, perhaps they should get clarification from the person in charge....that might help...
"I now very deeply regret my efforts in trying to help people understand the possible timing of events"
some may use others timing but i for one do not...some seem to think they have a handle on the timing..yet they insist that no one should trade because you never know when some big news could come out and the stock could go to dollars in a minute and you will miss out...
that doesnt really sound like someone who has a handle on the timing...
i didnt read the whole post and i rarely do, but it seems you are trying to convince me that zf's are gonna make kblb a blue chip company...thats fine with me if you think zf are all that and a bag of chips...unfortunately that wasnt my point at all..as im sure you are aware..
my point was the newsletter saying that sial was working
"jointly" with kblb....i see nothing indicating any such thing...in fact its pretty much a flat out lie..contrary to all other opinions that have stated that the newsletters are all true..
unless i see something that indicates that sial is providing funding to kblb (and i dont mean holding shares that kblb paid them with for the zf) or assisting them with technical support (and i dont mean the zf process that kblb paid for) or providing kblb with equipment, space or anything else that would indicate that sial is going out of its way to ensure that kblb is successful, then sial is NOT working jointly with kblb...
sial was paid to provide kblb with the zf process...thats it...
how good the zf process is or whether or not its works was never the isssue...