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Don't have the faintest clue, maybe because that is the website linked to by the few partnerships they are currently involved in.
They have not touched it in years so I do not know why they keep it. Things may change in the next week or two.
I cannot imagine they would have let the cat out of the bag on the new website without having a plan in place.
Will they try to take NEAH private and re-brand to XNRGI ? or reverse merge it ? There are many questions that beg answering at this time.
JMHO
Bill
CRADA was completed in April 2017. Batteries shipped end of May 2017. Argonne characterized initial batch of samples in that short time frame beginning the SBV project.
By June 5th 2017, NEAH was added to a VTO project with a much larger scope, budget and Lab Support from 3 National labs.
"The 2017 Annual Merit Review was June 5-9, in Washington, DC."
If you want to learn more about what the VTO does.
https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/batteries-charging-and-electric-vehicles
The project NEAH Power was absorbed into.
https://energy.gov/eere/vehicles/downloads/vehicle-technologies-office-merit-review-2017-post-test-analysis-lithium-ion
The PDF is at the bottom of the page.
Do you think that happened because they have nothing to sell ?
JMHO
Bill
No Tesla connection at this point. The marketing video has a Tesla comparison between the NEAH PowerChip Battery and the Tesla 18650 Battery.
NEAH battery claimed to be many times better.
Maybe calling out Tesla to force a very public comparison and instant free publicity, they must be confident of such an outcome.
JMHO
Bill
Honestly 5 billion in a 1 for 1000 leaves 5 million sh. No liquidity.
Naw, the market cap is too low for an RS to do any good. Plus D'Couto still has 2.5 billion sh to throw into the outstanding from the authorized. At 5 billion sh OS a 1 for 200 leaves them with the magical $5.00/sh at a pre-split of .025/sh.
The other possibility is he may try to go private. He likes his secrets, But then he would have to buy us out.
No one knows what will happen, however no matter how anyone looks at it, D'Couto has been working to this end since way back. Until NEAH speaks or the new company does we will not know. The trademarks are NEAH, the IP is NEAH, the DOE project is NEAH.
At this point I will call it a success on the battery development, at the company level, who knows ?
The IP is worth quite bit, the market cap of the company is about a hundredth of what the IP is worth. If D'Couto had wanted to screw the SH he would have done it before the DOE projects began and certainly could have gotten away with it then, they had no money, no employees. I actually thought it was happening then.
They are definitely coming out of the dark, which is what everybody wanted. So lets wait to see what they say before we shout that the sky is falling.
JMHO
Bill
Neah owns the IP. It is possible NEAH will be reverse merged so new money can own a big chunk.
However, D'Couto and club are big Neah SH and would not hose themeselves too badly.
It is possible D'Couto will activate the 2.5 billion remaining sh in the Authorized and handover to new money then rs the whole thing. Who knows ?
We won't get through this without at least a bit more pain.
Jmho
Bill
Tesla is not involved. This co will be competing with them and kicking their u know what's....
Jmho
Bill
That must be the validation from the Labs. No one better to back you up on a claim about performance.
We already know a lithium metal can have that density. The fact that it can be recharged is the revolutionary part, plus the safety.
Jmho
Bill
They appear to be coming out of the dark.
Hopefully we hear something about the Lab testing. That is most likely the validation they were needing before shouting it out to the world.
Lab results and then a collaboration on a project with a bigger scope was the first step.
New name and website are the second step.
Waiting on the next step .
Jmho
Bill
Good work Shorton !
Now this dot - PLUNK ! More like a red arrow, I can believe in. !
Hopefully they have some good follow through ! Imagine ! A website with actual product information that seems to be current.
Good Luck to all, hopefully NEAH shareholders aren't destroyed in this.
That Terrawatt matches the video we saw a few months ago.
JMHO
Bill
Yup, today was a dumper kind of a day.
Last time I wrote a post about this going lower and waiting to buy then, it was deleted.
NEAH is where they should have been a year ago, oh well. Thats life in the pennies.
Looking more positive due to Labs uptake, however we do not know the reasons so not a lot to go on.
I will wait longer,more will be dumped.
JMHO
Bill
Not a link at all other than NEAH purged its employee force to try to stretch dollars, they have to go work somewhere. People who have worked together will often hire ex-coworkers as they are more of a known factor.
Dots that can be connected will be supported but this type of innuendo stretches the imagination.
D'Couto worked at Novellus and then he left, that was many years ago.
While this could be a possible NEAH supplier in the future, there is no direct link at this time.
JMHO
Bill
This part is key:
"German battery consortium TerraE is using the same model as the semiconductor foundry business"
It says they are using the same model, meaning high volume manufacturing to customer specification, NOT that they are manufacturing semi-conductors.
Once again this is a german company, not NEAH so other than NEAH could use their resources in the future among many other batteries factories this has nothing at this time to do with NEAH.
JMHO
Bill
No offense, but that article does not say anything about it being a chip foundry.
It speaks to being a lithium-ion battery factory that makes lithium ion battery to specs for any company who wants batteries.
The word foundry does not tie that to chip manufacture. Its just another word for a factory.
Nxterra and TerraE does not make it the same thing. Besides that is a German company and not NEAH.
Where is the tie in ?
Jmho
Bill
Thats not the way I read it.
From the Merit review.
? FY17: $850K
? FY16: $750K
The 2016 budget is spent with no participation from NEAH so has a portion of the 2017 budget.
The 2017 budget is 850K. This is with 3 labs participating, although it seems that all labs would touch the battery at some point.
There will be most likely be budget assigned for the 2018 portion at a later date. Possibly at the next merit review maybe before.
Keep in mind that this is not the SBV project which was in the Adavnced Manufacturing Office. This is a Vehicle Technologies Project that NEAH appears to have been absorbed into. I don't know if they can move project money over into the other side.
JMHO
Bill
Stockcatman should get the credit for the information as it came from him.
I had pretty much given up on any advancement from NEAH.
It may be that D'Couto had a choice to stay reporting or pony up his share of the SBV pilot and build some batteries for it.
So while he was going dark, and cratering the stock price he was busy prepping batteries to send to Argonne. I guess in retrospect I can say "Way to stay focused ".
He chose to go dark and continue operating for a little longer.
It looks like he made the right choice, hopefully there will be some advancement with the battery.
At the very least we have people with some great credentials and very advanced manufacturing, testing and characterization equipment looking at the battery and its operational capabilities.
JMHO
Bill
There is a whole lot of correct and incorrect on this board and I have been on one side or another at different times.
This company is a classic "Penny Stock Model" right along with the pumpers who never have a doubt about the future of the company no matter how many setbacks and failures.
I was hinging all of my being right on the S4W partnership and then nothing happened there, oh they are still listed as a partner but S4W and Voxx have not produced any bodycams, as far as we know NEAH has not produced any batteries.
They touted the DOE grant all last year till they were awarded the grant and then they went silent till they went dark.
They were looking bad to worse.
Then a few weeks ago, one holder posted an e-mail trail of an inquiry, I thought this could be true or made up, however all the right terminology was there. The timelines were recent on any progress.
SBV showed no draws on funding granted up to july, there are always delays on POs and such.
Explanation that the CRADA ( Cooperative Research and Development Aggreement ) not completed till April 18 2017.
Samples shipped on 5/26/17 (soon after going dark)
Samples recived in June ( most likely the beginning of June from ship date)
Samples were tested according to the Bloom update reported.
At this point we could say, this is made up or believe it was true.
Then very recently a link is posted showing NEAH to be a collaborator on a Vehicle Technologies merit review. Not on the SBV Advanced Manufacturing office project as they started out.
So the Post-Test-Facility did receive samples.
Ira Bloom has seen and his group has analyzed battery samples from NEAH.
Instead of continuing on the $300,000.00 SBV project they are now on a Vehicle Technologies Office project with 3 supporting Labs, 1 to create batteries , 1 to stress the batteries and 1 to characterize the effects on the batteries.
So the questions arise:
If NEAH is a scam, why did the Post Test Facility request NEAH to collaborate on a study of Batteries for Vehicle technologies with Argonne National labs, Sandia Labs and Oak Ridge National Labs ?
This is way beyond the scope of what was in the SBV.
What did the Post test Facility see in their initial characterization that led them to include NEAH in a longer, better funded, 3 - national lab supported study ?
This is not a small business advancement project. This is a project that was created and is evaluated to advance the DOE's mission and goals.
Neah went from " Yeah we'll look at your battery and tell you where you went wrong within $300,000.00 worth of lab time; To "Hey do you want to work with us on a multi-year bigger budget project where we try to figure out how to build better vehicle batteries ?"
Argonne was not looking at NEAH's desperate dilutive financing schemes,past PRs, failed agreements or the like, all they were looking at was a Battery sample.
JMHO
Bill
Yes it is, yet the buying seemed to start up heavily on the 5th of July.
The Merit review meetings and the documentation for them were made public a month earlier.
Who knows what motivated the heavy buying. It happened and then it stopped.
The positive is the NEAH battery is being looked at in the Vehicle Technologies Office. Good performance in this project can go a long way commercially.
It went from the Advanced Manufacturing Office to the Vehicle Technologies office in the space of a month. With 3 Labs supporting vs 1.
At the very least the Labs will publish findings with more regularity then NEAH. At least once a year at the merit review.
At least someone is working on it now.
JMHO
Bill
We are assuming someone bought because they know something. Unfortunately we do that because we are in the dark and to some of us there would be no reason to buy.
Because NEAH went dark we are all in the dark.
For all we know it was some anticipating the end of the SBV pilot...which as far as we have officially been told per the SBV us "12 months".
Jmho
Bill
The information in the EERE document is public. If someone chose to buy because of it that is their business.
It would still be speculation due to not knowing anything about how any future tests will go. It's possible that the Neah battery will exhibit a worse dendrite issue than the batteries ORNL created for the initial year of testing.
Without knowing who bought in July and for what reason. Not much can be said.
Argonne tests many battery architectures from many different companies many of them their own. That is not a guarantee of success.
Jmho
Bill
That would be assuming the person with 10 million on the ask knows something.
Not necessarily the same person that just bought in.
Bill
Okay I see what you are talking about.
In the 2016 merit review it was just the Labs collaborating, this is presented in the 2016 merit review by Bloom.
https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2016/06/f32/es166_bloom_2016_o_web.pdf
Then in the 2017 merit review NEAH has been added as a Collaborator.
https://energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2017/06/f34/es166_bloom_2017_p.pdf
The email string that Stockcatman shared states that they received the samples at the end of May. Adding NEAH a month later after the first samples were analyzed could be construed to mean they liked what they saw in the NEAH battery.
If NEAH has really minimized dendrite growth this will really put their battery through the ringer, especially with a maybe even more improved NEAH battery made by ORNL's Battery manufacturing R&D facility.
Hence the heavy buying at the beginning of July as soon as the buzz made its way around some inner circles.
JMHO
Bill
The only mention of NEAH is on that page.
Nothing else through the rest of the document.
Strange that Argonne was left out of that page and Neah inserted in.
Then above that it lists the 3 Labs and below only 2.
Maybe NEAH was added in, in June. What do we believe ?
The previously posted email trail said Argonne just started the SBV work with Neah and now we are supposed to believe they were working together before that ?
Something is not right.
Jmho
Bill
Who knows ? When do they announce anything ?
They don't answer emails with pointed questions.
It's all speculation at this point.
If NEAH was active at the beginning there would have been no point in granting them SBV resources. If they are involved it would have to be after initial SBV results.
Jmho
Bill
The SBV pilot was only post test facility.
Neah claims to have solved the "dendrite" growth issue thru their cell symmetry. Maybe Argonne wants to see if that is true.
Not sure what samples Neah would have sent them but would make sense to send batteries that have been cycled x amount if times. In order to get any useful results from post testing.
Jmho
Bill
This is not the SBV pilot. It began way before the SBV pilot was active.
The report shows batteries made by ornl, then abused by Sandia and finally post tested by Argonne.
No mention of the collaboration by Neah in the experiment description. The date is June after the first samples were said to be received from Neah on the SBV pilot.
So it is possible that due to Neah results they may be folding it in to this project to run the same gamut of testing on the Neah batt.
Jmho
Bill
They replied to you. Ask them why they are not updating the status to "active" on the SBV website.
Other people I know have inquired and been ignored.
Bill
I think ( Pink No-info ).
Bill
Just a link from NEAH's tweets and replies.
I thought it was very telling that NEAH was desperate enough at the time to gather in pumpers from all segments at the time they were planning to go dark.
He was another who did not understand the difference between fuel cells and batteries.
Although in reality NEAH went dark long ago.
Which is why I find it laughable that you state that DOE news to be announced soon. If and I mean If it is true that they have started the DOE/Argonne project then they just started and nothing to be coming out soon.
JMHO
Bill
Common sense would see the patent application is 2009.
Neah purchased in 2013. I have stated this already. There is no room for misinterpetation.
Bill
He claimed it on his Twitter acct.
Had to pay some credit card debt.
Bill
And boy was he loyal !
Right after NEAH went dark, he sold his 200,000 sh. he must have needed to buy dinner that day.
JMHO
Bill
We know NEAH has worked on the formic acid Fuel Cells since they bought the IP.
However this was a Tekion patent application ( yes application ) that was applied for in Canada and not the US.
JMHO
Bill
They are posted as if they are relevant at the present and they are not.
Nothing that has been uncovered as not relevant has been disproved, it has only been responded to in a manner that would create confusion to the uninitiated with this co and stock.
The fact is the company went dark and will not announce what they are up to, well whoever chooses to stay in or buy in with the current environment makes a choice.
All old posts are "uncovered" for what they are.
They don't even enter into the realm of connectible dots, they are just a random mishmash of old PRs.
When something of substance with real backing is posted I am sure it will be supported, however what has been posted lately is not in that category.
JMHO
Bill
The 165,000 was paid to get the demo and get it in India, most likley just paid the expenses.
Taking the jist that this was a marketed equipment buy would look much worse as no money was ever spent on a NEAH product again by the DRDO.
JMHO
Bill
Yup, NEAH won't update their website and they won't take it down.
In other words its USELESS !! So take it down NEAH !
Oh yeah, but what self respecting company does not have a website ? Especially when every other company doing work with anybody has a website. NEAH would really look like a winner without one.
JMHO
Bill
AFTERWARD !!!
Some people here don't pay attention to time frames.
The proof is in the LinkdIn.
Besides, its telling that NEAH had to hire him to continue work on the Tekion technology, after all were they gonna do it ?
JMHO
Bill
Oh yeah and the simple answer is to look at the inventors listed on the Patent....
Sean Huff did work for NEAH afterward but was working at Tekion at the time.
JMHO
Bill
the time frame.....NEAH bought the Tekion IP in Nov 2013.
Are you going to now try and spin a story of NEAH working on Tekion after Tekion disappeared off the face of the earth and 4 years before Neah bought the IP ?
JMHO
Bill
The Formic Acid that NEAH uses is not NEAH's. It is BASF's.
If You want to use the commonality of fuel to somehow attribute success to NEAH because Team FAST is having success, you are severely mis-informed.
I have not seen anything about the NEAH formic acid fuel cell since the non-event of them supposedly demonstrating to Tectonica Australia in Oct 2015. Nothing came of that, no report of success no report of it even occurring.
Since you like partner links.
http://www.tectonica.net/partners
Neah is not there, Ultralife Batteries is.
JMHO
Bill
Thats right TEAM FAST !
NOT NEAH !!!
One has nothing to do with the other. One is powering Buses and one is powering nothing.
BILL