Here ya go. From the SEC site.

The complaint alleges that, during the period CIBC Mellon acted as Pay Pop's transfer agent, one of its senior managers was bribed by two of Pay Pop's officers and directors to assist them in obtaining a ready supply of Pay Pop stock for these officers and directors to illegally distribute to investors. By its failure to have sufficient policies, procedures and internal controls in place, CIBC Mellon failed to detect the bribes, and the illegal conduct, thereby allowing the scheme to succeed.

The complaint further alleges that from 1998 through 2003, CIBC Mellon acted as a transfer agent for at least 113 companies whose securities were registered with the Commission and, from 1998 through the present, CIBC Mellon acted as a broker-dealer for at least 45 of those companies yet never registered with the Commission as a transfer agent, or as a broker-dealer as it was required to do. Subsequently, on February, 6, 2004, CIBC Mellon registered with the Commission as a transfer agent. CIBC Mellon Trust further requested that the Commission issue an order exempting it from the broker-dealer registration requirement of Section 15(a). The Commission has approved this request and will issue an order granting the exemption upon entry of the final judgment in these proceedings.

Your correct. But it in no way means they are not pre-selling the video or it's a lie. It simply means we as outsiders do not know.

I have no proof that Longhorn has certain features yet I still believe the majority of what is promised will be there.

So I believe the videos have a pre-sale number but I don't think they would be that big to exceed expectations. It was a vague PR.

MLON = Mellon Research inc I believe?

I can't quote the issue verbatim but it was a case of bribary concerning two of the companies manager that was not detected due to poor procedures. They then brokered for 30+ comapanies that were not regesitered.

Something like that. I'd have to do an SEC search for any more detal.

I'll give you that one since that bothers me also. So we have 1.

Once again that is not a fact. Are you 100% sure there are no ads anywhere? Just because I have no way of subscribing does not mean people are not subscribing.

1) It Could be Euro games sales or Euro only print/radio ads and some americans are ordering.

2) Print ads with phone numbers not internet links

3) Tv Ads with phone numbers not internet links.

How far back to you need to go to get 10 facts? Go that far back.

There are not 10 issues the SEC would find worthy of investigating. I'm not saying Q did not miss PR's dates or that some did not work out right. But there are not 10 facts the SEC would find worth investigating.

Nope. Are you avoiding listing facts?

Sputnik. Where's the list of 10 facts that indicate the SEC should investigate?

Billions. Interesting. Can you list 10 (facts) besides missed PR's?

The point is the SEC is not going to spend time on a company becuase it missed some PR dates. Every company misses dates. It is not a big deal. They are forward looking statements and should be interupted as that.

On the other hand they will investigate companies such as FORD which they just recently settled with.

or

Take Two for "Parking" products. Where they shipped product just to get the financials to look good, but never expected the recieving company to pay.

The closest thing to Q would be the emergency AIMSI case. They were accused of a Pump and Dump scheme in which a fraudulent promotional campaign was created to drive up the price and trading volume of Aimsi’s stock. It was then proved they sold the stock for a profit.

Notice that it was a fraudulent promotion that never happend. Q is trying to promote and execute. The SEC has nothing to look at here and way more interesting cases out there.

I doubt the SEC is going to investigate a missed PR. If so they would spend the time on the big companies that win Vaporware awards in the IT industary, etc.

I really hate when companies repeatdly put out those Dividend PR's. I always think the same think Deja vu!!!!!!! It's scary how the deposits are nearly identical to.

So can I use this on MS for not releasing longhorn and lying about it's features or possibly PG for announcing it's merger before it's even legal?

I see no other reason to use it. Qbid has done nothing to report to the SEC.

Once I again I ask. Have you done your DD on this?

1) Pre-Sale could be from the games themselves. Country of orgin could be used to determine US & European sales.

2) Could be an advertisement that is on the station itself with a phone number to call. Have you checked to see if this is the case? Possibly an e-mail to Q about this.

3) Could be a advertisement in a print mag in Europoe with a phone number.

4) Could be a pre-sale to distrubators not individuals.

The only fact we know is that the organization selling last years video is not selling this years. I confirmed this via e-mail using the link on the EuroGame site.

Have you done your DD on this issue?

Apparently or the judge would not have dismissed it and Oxegan would have pushed forward.

You do realize this case has been dismissed right?

DD proving that this is incorrect?

2005 Video Information. Here's the reply from the link going to the official Euro Games site provided earlier on the Euro Games 2005 video. This was sent via the link on that page.


Hello,

we just sell the EuroGames DVD of Munich 2004. You can order it via www.eurogames-movie.com

The 2005 video is not our business.

Best regards,

Florian Reimann
----- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: info@eurogames-movie.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:14 PM
Subject: 2005 DVD


I saw a press release from QTelevison regarding the 2005 pre-sales of the video. Is there a web site I can order these from?

Links?

Yes I do and Yes a link can be developed in 5 minutes. My concern is where the pre-orders are coming from. If you have to develop a link then the link does not exist and there is not a way to pre-order unless it is by other means. So my questions are

1) Does a link exist?
2) Does a phone line exist?
3) Can you only order from the games?
4) What are multiple orders per day?
If they are getting two a day thats only 60 a month or 1,500.
5) What were the expectiations?
6) Is this a Europe only thing for now?

The PR is postive but at the same time very vague.

I'd still like to see a link to the DVD sales. All I have found are the 2004 DVD's. I see nothing concerning 2005.

I did e-mail the Euro games link from there to ask about it but no reply yet.

Far and few between unfortanatly.

I have a short list of three right now that I believe to be solid companies that I believe will eventually move forward nicely.

They are PDSS, DNAP and QBID.

Other than that I think unless your a daytrader you have nothing to see here. Of course I can't review every stock so I know there are more.

"been right more often than not"

When I say I will not look I've been on the board for awhile and few at least once a day even if I do not post. I generally only post if I'm at a desk.

With that being said I stand by what I said of not seeing anyone predicate something that was unexcpected by looking at the overall market.

I've been around these little guys for awhile to and any solid one plays by the same rules as the rest of the market. If your day trading then what you say is right but I never look at it from that point of view. Simply because it's not my cup of tea.

Thanks. I'll take that as a no. Of course I've heard facts are greatly over rated anyway.

SO where's the DD to back up the statements of it being antoher BS PR?

All I see are 2004 videos. I'll have to look and see.

Wonder why they didn't put a link to the pre-order site in the PR? Any reasons of a legal nature?

I for one like to gamble and have hit huge gains also with a few pennies but lost big on others. Just don't put in what you can't lose. How much do you spend of those profits in Casinos? Shouldn't we take that off or gains?

I also bought GOOG as soon as a could but got in a little higher than you did but sold off at 230 which is higher than I felt it could maintain (Maybe 210 with the numbers they turned in but I doubt that even). Your right though it was a nice profit. Once it popped up to near 300 (Look at the trailing P/E) I shorted it.

A search engine is not worth that much especially when MSFT is about to put the clamps on the same market.

I'm not going to look back but I have not seen anyone call anything that wouldn't be excpected.

The markets are linked to economics regardless of which one your are invested in. I'm really surprised Qbid has held out as long as it has. I mean looking at the ticker on the board it's sitting at 0.0018.

My assumption is after summer you will see the bottom end for a lot of these stocks and it will be time to switch investing strategies to meet that end.

I'd be interested in knowing if Irish agrees with that. He seems to have the same concern I do about summer.

Sure. Those sorry people at GOOG just not coming through with those numbers. Oh they did. Sorry, there still falling like a rock.

It's the market more than it is QBID.

I'm surprised anyone is giving him credit. You have a great chance of being right predicating ANY stock to go down. I had an argument on-line about GOOG and I stated they would go down and the time is right to short (this is when they were about to top 300) and listed my views. Well I got a lot of credit since they are dropping like a rock right now. Of course my points were valid but my 6 year old could tell you stocks are going to go down. Ic ould have randomaly picked PG, MSFT, SLE (Which is killing me) etc.

I'm going to be really brief with these points put it shows that any stock especially risk are going to take a hit.

1) We are looking at a poor market right now. I've seen it best described as enemic. Sure you can still find good performers but not many. I take comfort in knowing I have a large portion of Dividend stocks and precious metal to offset this.

2) We can't cover the trade gap. We fell short again by 10 billion. I personally am looking at oversea companies and moving some of my assets.

3) The price of oil is up. Oil has hit 56 a barrel and the blame is being put on US refinaries. Opec is letting people know they are pumping at capacity. True or not I don't know. But it will hurt the market.

4) The dollar is not doing well. Even though the Euro hit a 9 month low. You still see this worrying people.

5) People are getting ready to see a housing slow down. Remember all the econmic numbers effect the market and cause movement.

6) We fell short of several key econmic indicators. THis doesn not many things are not goign well just that we did not meet expectiations. This will put the Bulls up quickly.

So many more factors i can't cover them all.

Now think about it. If your an investor and having to determine which stocks to move into better value do you keep your Large cap dividend stocks and release the risky stocks or do you drop your Large caps.

Personally I am currently

1) Moving risk stocks to other markets
2) Shorting obvious companies such as GOOG
3) Moving assets to precious metals


*The opinions above are mine and should not be taken as an indication of how to invest or anthing else.

Not sure the Motley guys would work that angle. Although, the basics they put forth are a good guide to follow. I consider myself a Fool that runs a risk portfolio.

If the complaint had a any substance to it I doubt it would be let go of so easily. The court dismissed it and apparently oxegen was fine with it.

Work around. It took MTV 6-7 years.

It started out in 1977 and got the MTV rename in 1981 and was broadcast only in New, York. From there they went national in the mid 80's.



Last post so no more replies. I'd love to know where the 75 million came from.

Where are you getting 75 million from?

How long did it take MTV to develop?

Where are you getting the 75 billion from?

Where are you getting the 75 billion number from?

Cool. I can use this on MS since they have not released LongHorn and it will not ship with the features they promised. Therefore hurting my investment in them.

Seems they hardly ever tell the truth.

We did? My streamer shows the last tick at .0019.

Depends on when you look at the stock. SIRI went from the perfect invesment to major loser to a Rule Breaker since I've been watching it. Do a complete history of the stock and you'll see what I mean. I bought in when I thought it couldn't go much lower as a risk investment.

I saw posts just like what I see now with QBID.