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The physics behind the product is proven...not open to any real challenge. The AOT is a great example of how science in the lab transforms into a viable product for an industry. Credibility is lost when the proven science is speculated to be gobbly gook. The scientific method is continuing to be used by the oil industry to study the real world benefits of the AOT on live pipelines.
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Per Greg Bigger regarding the TC lease-
"...the lease continues to be effective through October 15, 2014 and testing of AOT equipment on the pipeline is ongoing. Although testing and operational details are protected under a non-disclosure agreement, I can say we are very encouraged by preliminary test results".
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NUMBERS & FACTS about the AOT
• STWA’s AOT technology decreases viscosity by up to 56%
• AOT bolts on to existing pump stations
• The AOT device is 33 ft x 8 ft x 8 ft. Each system weighs approximately 20 tons and can handle up to 5,000 gallons per minute (gpm).
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The science behind this is sound and beyond serious question. The only question is how much money will the oil companies save and/or make using the AOT. That is what is going on with all the data collection and calculations.
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And there is this from updated company profile:
AOT technology is equally effective as a stand-alone solution
or when deployed as a supplement to existing technology in a category of industrial products called ‘flow assurance’ or ‘drag reduction’ agents. Drag occurs in crude during transport due to naturally occurring paraffin and asphaltene particulates. Historically oil producers have improved flow by reducing the viscosity of crude with diluents or other types of drag reducing agents that dilute the oil by as much as 50 percent.
STWA’s AOT technology differs from dilutant techniques in that it operates by applying a non- uniform electric charge (dielectrophoresis) to fluids during transport.
AOT technology aggregates sub-micron particulate matter into nano- and micron-scale clusters
Dielectrophoresis engages the
paraffin and the asphaltene
content in crude oil, creating a conformational change to the molecular structure.
Altering the paraffin and/or aphaltene in the crude oil reduces
total surface area of the molecules for a constant volume fraction, thereby reducing the drag within the fluid itself. By lowering viscosity of the crude, pipeline systems benefit from higher flow rates, reduced system pressure, less wear and tear on components and potentially greater margins of operational safety.
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Not to mention the reduced expense at the refinery by not having to extract out the DRA.
I rarely post these days as there really is very little news things to say. There is no question if it "works as advertised", as this is the world of hard science. The scientific principles that support the AOT influence on oil and fluids in general are not subject to debate...it is proven. One might as well debate the reality of gravity. The effectiveness of the AOT is only a matter of degrees dependent on the quality of the fluid. This "pilot" is not about whether the science is true, it only a matter how much money it will save and generate for the oil company. They must do their due diligence as responsible stewards to their shareholders before spending hundreds of millions of dollars;otherwise, there would be lots of concerning questions about this major purchase and modification to the pipeline. Checks and balances in corporate America. That's what we are witnessing. In the meantime, have some popcorn and if you are lucky to have some, a swig of Whackys potion.
Well said zero fan! Those pictures are worth more than a million empty words! It tells us a lot of how close this truly is to being on a live working commercial pipeline. The quality of these pictures is off the charts and that is something I also find interesting compared to pictures in the past. These are high level professional pictures. Why?
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Today's volume was a pleasant surprise. Not sure what's driving this?
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That makes the most sense of all to me!
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And you probably posted because you are worried and want to spread fear at your own benefit. Since we are speculating :)
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I concur on an intuitive level. I am trying to connect the dots
Why did my very generalized post get deleted?
It had no insults against any specific person. It only stated and opinion about why longs should stay focused. And clarified, in my opinion why shorters and paid bashers (both factually exist in the investment world) aren't able to go to a shareholders meeting. How did I cross any posting lines? It would truly help for any future posting I might do.
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Excellent Post MentalFloss,
Anyone who reads your balanced post without bias or hidden agendas will have the tartar cleaned from their brain ventricles. Of course, the tartar buildup comes from reading posts by those with hidden and unhidden agendas on this and other boards. You are truly living up to your name!
As we always recommend to those new to this company...don't rely on anyone else's opinions, including those that are pro STWA. Rely instead on your research, your own intuition, your own judgment.
This is only the beginning for this company.
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Nice post Zizek!
Excellent job in pointing out the facts and exposing the new weak arguments and thesis
These arguments related to water
clearly do not hold water. They are pourous and biased disregarding the well established context of such PRs. The context includes the background facts of Non-disclosure agreements with multiple companies. Now one can attack the credibility of this just as one can attack the credibility of anything in this world or associated with ZERO. There are still people who attack the credibility of the world being round and rotating...they insist it is flat and promulgate evidence they claim proves it is flat.
So when one believes something or at least has financial incentive to believe or promote a concept, well then there can be no real discourse, only the illusion of it.
The world is round and AOT works and will be successful!
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Well this is very interesting. And Legacy is in Neenah Wisconsin!? Wow. Got married there 22 years ago.
Check this insider report out-
http://www.j3sg.com/Reports/Stock-Insider/xxxgen.php?tickerLookUp=ZERO&sortBy=date_D&descending=1
Mental Floss,
I believe that you are spot on with ASME certification being part of a conditional requirement before a contract will be formally signed. I also believe that the AOT operating on a live pipeline of the unnamed company for a defined period of time with the expected results verified will be the next condition to be met. Then, and only then, will we be rolling. IMHO
I am watering my bamboo plant.
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DM
I absolutely love your response to MF and synopsis of current state of AOT. Very very clear about where we have been and where we are.
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Thumbs up Zizek! Love your rebuttals and rationale for your rebuttals.
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Proof is in the Neutron not in people's opinions who are not physicists. The mainstream physicist community is aware of this research on applied electric fields impact on neutron and electrons in fluid suspensions. Some people think we must be realy stupid to even bat an eyelash at some of the nonsense spewed by people on this board. These same people would quote scientists on how the earth is really flat if it served them in making money. Promoting lies tells us how high these people are on the human scale of consciousness. This demonstrated lower level of consciousness is not isolated to their schemes but to all whole life and all their relationships. I provide the below information for the benefit of any newbies. To those newbies, do your own research on this technology. You might check Temple website, and associated professional physics journals. Then when you know what you know you will not be at the mercy of others manipulations. You will stand on solid ground, unwavering in your knowledge.
"On August 2 and 3, 2010, agroup led by Dr. Rongjia Tao fromTemple University conducted experiments using small-angle neutron scattering at the National Institute of Standards and Technology.(See Sept. Press Release.)Dr. Tao's team used the best technology available to investigateat a nano-scale level the effects produced by STWA's Technology.The tests captured data and pictures with and without the ?eld,con?rming scienti?c evidence of its effect at a molecular level.“We have used the most sophisticated technology availableto us for watching, in real time, how our technology affects crude oil.The team was able to observe and record images at a nano-scale to examine direct evidence of our technology on the microstructure of crude oil aggregating it into chains,the basis by which our technology operates." Mr. Kyte concluded, "As global reserves continue to shift to heavier, more expensive crudes,our technology's ability to reduce crude oil's viscosity becomes increasingly relevant and valuablein enabling pipelines to operate faster and more ef?ciently on a global scale."To do the scienti?c testing, Dr.Tao's team used the NG7 SANS(Small Angle Neutron Scattering)beam. The SANS device uses neutron re?ectometry, a relatively new technique for investigating the near-surface structure of many materials.In the ?rst pass, there was no voltage applied to the electrodes,hence no electric ?eld. Then the neutron beam, passing through the quartz window, shined on the crudeoil and was scattered out by the crude oil.We then applied an electric ?eld and gradually increased the ?eld strength to 2000V/mm. After the electric ?eld exceeds a critical value, around 750V/mm, the nanoscale particles form short chains along the ?eld direction.From the scattering pattern we can estimate the size of the chains.The con?rmation at a nano-scale level is truly a ground-breaking scienti?c discovery, as it means that we now have photographic proof of what AOT™does to crude oil at a molecularlevel.This proof has been of critical importance in the validation and advocacy chain out of the public eye, fueling our development andopening doors"
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Please Please ignore the bashers and shorters.
Remember you are only reinforcing their efforts by responding to them. They will continue until you ignore them. It is like I tell my son with teasing on the playground, if you respond to it then it will continue. That is what the playground bullies and board bashers want. Please restrain yourselves for all or our sakes. By giving in to them and responding you make this board unpalatable. Stay focused.
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MentalFloss,
Excellent rebuttal and post! You nailed it. The facts are there. As time goes by I think we forget about some of these nuggets, like the Wyoming facility that is under an NDA and is manufacturing AOT 2.0, building out their facility to accomodate production...all this was discussed at SHM late last year.
We are not going to hear much, imo, until the pilot testing is completed. And I don't think we're talking about 24 hours of testing. I'm imagining that a company would want many more hours of testing before being satisfied and willing to spend millions of dollars. Like I've posted before, this process of production and piloting will take many months. In the meantime, Buy on dips.
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Sano,
Why are you posting if you don't have a horse in this race?
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Here's an interesting definition of the purpose today's SEC filing as found on wikipedia.-
"13D filings allow the investing public to see who a public company's large shareholders are and, perhaps more importantly, why they have an interest in the company. These filings may be a precursor to hostile takeovers, company breakups, and other "change of control" events."
I am particularly intrigued by the "change of control" events
statement. This filing maybe be the sign we've been waiting for.
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mentalFLOSS,
I have a few answers. First, never put all your eggs in one basket. Two, you strengthen your negotiation position by being active in building your company while negotiating. We would be in a weakened position if we weren't moving forward with uplisting and all the associated activities with building a company. It would be foolish to stop all such activities hoping someone might buy us.
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It is all an educated guess about the pilot. Based upon comments at SHM, PR, recent shareholder update, it seems to point to this. "Readied for installation" can mean many things along a continuum in terms of where the AOT is. It could have meant the AOT was being installed on the pipeline in North America or it could have meant it was being packaged for transport from some manufacturing facility.
I remember at the SHM that Cecil made a comment about quality being a big priority with the AOT. That the first commercial application needs to be flawless (my words). From that I extrapolate that STWA is being meticulous in all the details in assuring the AOT is 100% ready. They don't want to have any doubts about the readiness. I interpreted the PR about readied for installation as a statement of absolute confidence.
IMO, within North America as compared to China, this process will be signifcantly shorter. I also believe that once the pilot is successful then the contract will be signed and mass production will begin.
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and infinity is getting a little closer me thinks
Picture worth a thousand words.
The picture of the AOT in production from the recent sh update is very telling. It indicates that it is December 2012 at the bottom of the picture. The people in the picture are certainly wearing clothes for a cold weather climate (the garb doesn't fit in the warmer states).
Can you imagine all the maufacturing and quality control steps this new AOT has to go through before being slapped on a pipeline for a live run. The quality controls and testing that the new AOT has to go through must be time consuming. The processes, the problems they will encounter with their checks, then fixes, then re-testing. OMG! No wonder this is taking so long. But I have no doubt the STWA crew is doing everything the right way. No short-cuts. They want the first commercial application to work perfectly. Quality, Quality, Quality! A lemon out the gate would really hurt our street credibility. Patience is wise at this time.
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The following link is an article about the bakken formation primarily. It is eye opening in terms of the amount of exploration that is going on. Enormous. And the implications in terms of how they are going to move these billions of barrels of oil efficaciously.
http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/1248431
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JT must be deep into DD on this Update... JT will find stuff in this we all missed! He will surface at some point. Don't forget to eat JT.
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Often we (I) get anxious when there are long periods of no news. We start to clamour for some news from the tower. We ask ourselves what is going on with STWA. Is something amiss, are they in deep negotiations with Keystone?, is the ship sinking and we don't know?
We start posting and asking for news from STWA about what's happening.
Then they usually abide and put out a PR that is factual, but not very meaty or tantalizing. Yesterday's was a bit more delicious and forward looking though. And then we wait as we must. We start to fight amongst eachother. People who are more pessimistic in their nature battle the optimists over who is right...we continue to wait and pass the time with this drama. In the end, we who persist will be rewarded for our patience, even if our patience is tainted with frustration and pessimism. Stay strong.
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I don't worry too much about the Chinese copying this. We are not talking about some electronic gadget, purse, or DVD. We are talking about a NYSE publicly traded company, Chinese Petroleum, that is worth billions of dollars. They would risk way too much by copying AOT. Now if street vendors had a market for the AOT then I might be worried.
And at the SHM our new security man that use to hunt submarines for a living made it clear that they had a way to make the AOT obsolete if there was any hanky panky in China.
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Is this a hint without breaking the NDA?? It also appears that we have a new name for the AOT...now "AOT Midstream". Are we being thrown the proverbial bone to chew on? Hmmmm
"AOTâ„¢ 2.0 "AOTâ„¢ Midstream" crude oil pipeline efficiency product is being readied for North American installations." Does this mean there are contracts with NDAs and this is the most that can be said?
"...This first unit has been manufactured with specific end users in mind. We have developed this product with a lot of feedback and insight from our commercial relationships and supply chain members, and look forward to a very bright 2013." Who are the specific users??? Are these specific users under NDA?
Are these end users actually ready to purchase once the specs are worked out?
This is all tantalizing. My mouth is watering. Lots of questions from this. Overall this seems to be the biggest hint to date of an impending contract. Glad I got in last week under .90. :)
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I do believe that this boring news today is nonetheless a critical component in their efforts to assure a lock-tight contract is completed. No loose ends that will bite us later. This firm is the barking dog in the backyard to prevent intruders and give teeth to contract efforts. I see this as a very positive sign that things are moving behind the scenes.
Much like when J.T pointed out the buried info in the quarterly about the NASDAQ uplisting law firm we were engaged with.
The lined up ducks are quacking.
J.T.- Shout out to J.T. for the heads up in your posts this morning. If I hadn't seen your early posts about the short attack I likely would have missed the buying opportunity.
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Nice J.T.
This is exactly what we longs need to remind ourselves of when worry starts to bleed into our minds. It reinforces the facts of the situation with STWA. And the facts are compellling.
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Ok...This certainly looks like the smoking gun! Enbridge is stating that they are increasing flow rates by increasing horsepower. This is fairly vague. They are not saying how they are increasing horsepower. They are not saying they are installing bigger turbines and motors etc...
Lets look at AOT and what it does. From STWA in September 2012, there was an AOT product brief describing technically how it works. Towards the end of this physics paper it states the following:
"...the methods can be used to temporarily reduce the viscosity of crude oil while it is in transport, corresponding to a reduction in pump power needed to achieve the same flow rates, or alternatively increasing the flow rates while still operating the pumps at the same power level."
Pay attention here. If a pipeline operator can keep the pumps running at the same power level to achieve greater flow through the pipes, then they might be able to increase the power (if it has available power capacity remaining...I can't imagine pipe operators run their motors at full throttle) to increase the flow even further because the pressure has dropped and so now they can increase the pressure again by stepping on the gas. lol
Hence, we now have increased horsepower without new motors or new pipes.
What they are not saying in these press releases is interesting and important, and makes the AOT a more plausible explaination. I'll say it again...It seems relevant that these press releases don't mention bigger engines. If they were increasing horsepower with bigger engines wouldn't you say so. The vagueness appears intentional.
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J.T.
Why can't I PM. I was able to PM last week...but now it says I have to upgrade to premium subscription for my PM to be sent... Is that true?
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I am buckled up and ready for this ship to rocket off into the stratosphere! They have been giving so many indications that things are locked and loaded its hard to sit and wait. But hey, I've waited about six years so I'm really quite good at it now.
I can't wait till the day when my family doesn't think I'm crazy. Lol
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J.T.
I sent you a PM.
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I think you're right on J.T..
Hadn't thought of the connection with the whirlwind tour they were on before the SHM. Just from a temporal correlation it makes sense, and that's what I was struggling with understanding. Also I was struggling with the hit piece in terms of why would people who were in the know panic. But it was likely the people who were not truly in the know but were told about the know from those in the know. Thus they were hoping to make a fast penny without really understanding the company and its products.
I even had friends and family of mine that panicked when they read the hit piece. A few sold before I could talk them off the ledge, but most held on. It was just amazing to me how quickly people could panic based upon half-truths and lies. But to them it sounds like truth because they haven't done enough DD. But that is the danger in investing in a company and product that you really don't know and understand. You are dependent upon others to feed you and then when some stranger tells you the food is spoiled you panic. Due diligence is a personal responsibility.
For example, I know that summary piece you put on this board recently is based upon facts and is spot on. I know this because I have read everything ever written about STWA, AOT,Elektra. I know the history, I know the products, the testing, etc... I love the fact that all your stuff has hyperlinks to the original sites so that people can find out for themselves if they want to.
Now I'm not to saying that sometimes I don't get a little nervous when there is no news. But I accept this as part of the process of riding this horse for last seven years.
Thanks for your efforts J.T.
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