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Yeah, but the pps isn't... as it certainly would be expected to, what with ALL the players & pieces fitting so nicely into place, so steadily & promising, plus all the touted massive value of patents AND such an apparent then, huge investor opportunity presented... yet it goes nowhere, day after day, week after week, month after month. It tries but can't. I call some sort of collusion. And for anyone to say all is hunky dory & no worries, doesn't seem fully justifiable.
Oh come on... after yesterday's continuation of positive news & the ensuing biggest price rise in quite a while, it should be obvious..
I THINK it can... I THINK it can... I THINK it can!.. I THINK IT CAN!!
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Also if you look at #'s 6432, 40, 44 & 46 (I think I got this #'s right?) you can see they don't jive right at all & 46 is the one attributed to me but meant you. And it sure does sound like you expressed problems w/mngmt, but I was only referencing who made the post. Perhaps decaf in order.. ; )
I believe I do have my facts straight. Someone replied to me about a post that was clearly made by you, not me. I replied & explained to that person that something was wrong w/the replies because I had not said what he referenced or quoted about some problem w/mngmt & that I had recently seen a couple other mixed up replies as well. He responded that he could see that it got mixed up & confirmed it was your post he was replying to, not mine. Further, it seemed clear to him that you had expressed some kind of problem w/mngmt. And I did not say that you said that there was something wrong w/mgmt, I said that you had some problem w/mgmt, just to provide reference for who said what. And you post (several now that I have seen, does clearly seem to say you have problems w/mgmt. You said you didn't trust them, etc..) but again all I did was reference it was your posting not mine.
Mr spec... I hear what your saying. The sense I get, various things about this stock considered, is not cause for alarm, but a cause for "concern" is more prudent than having none... the main reason being that it was one of the most significant drops in both percentage & to the level it dropped to, at a time when it just seems it has enuff going for it, to not really expect it, AL least not in my very limited knowledge level. Some others, here on the board, with experience & knowledgeable also are a bit aggro over the seeming stubbornness the stock is exhibiting. After all, stagnation & then big dips w/o obvious cause, on the heels of more than tremendous potential news on patents progress & mngmt super upgrades, are fair reasons I think, to warrant a natural concern, at least to know why. But agreed it not necessarily that big a deal in itself, however, by your own gauge & measure, the nature of a pennystock, in general, is more volatile inherently, thus maybe an investor cannot trust it's stability as much as a big dog. Your point about magnified swing effect w/low relative shareholder numbers, is well taken, but that could also mean the swings are more potentially potent. Also where is the official number of stockholders? I saw a much lower # somewhere recently but not sure where..
In reading your post i tried to figure out what you thought then, was the explanation for the 10% drop, but I couldn't...however I do know this much..... you need to be a good doctor...to have a lot of "patients" & in order to wait for the doctor, you have to have a lot of "patience" & in order to make.some $$ here, you'vs gotta have a lotta "patents"..
I didn't say anyth about losing faith in management. Your post says "re: to nyt" but it was someone else who said that. I think there might be someth wrong w/the posting software because I started noticing yest or day b4, where the several replies are toothed wrong person. In one case yest (I can find it later & post if possible... the correct post # was replied to but the post at that # was diff than diff or changed from who it was from originally & these instances involved my posts. So something ain't right. The names, post #'s & posts are mixed up for sure. Not good. The guy who had a problem w/mngmt was JC RI & I responded to him that mngmt seemed ok to me & now it appears that your response to my alias but your comments mix up my comments & his.
Thanks for your "advice" to sell (although I feel it's bad policy to advise stockholders to buy or sell, as that's something left best to them only) but I said nothing so drastic as selling out, only the simple notion that 10 drop is significant esp given all the qualifiers I gave to validate the point. And I think there's plenty of shares available for you if you want more. For me, selling doesn't make much sense.
Well they seem to be forthcoming w/pos news & developments & don't seem to hype lately & from what I gather from CC, they're on track towards the plan & the top guys reps very positive in preceding them which holds weight & garners respect from prospective investors... so where's their downside?
Uhhh... if your not sure you wanna ask me, then I won't burden you with an answer. My points are valid & 10% of anything is significant rather than near meaningless.
Thanks. I guess my point is that regardless of the size or volatility of a stock, or anyth for that matter, 10% is a significant chunk, especially to lose in 1 day. Maybe another way to put is that 10% swings are relatively unusual in a day. But especially w/the myriad of seeming positive news & patents etc. Also, ppl say low volume & no sell-offs happening... make 10% seem strange hence significant. And since you never know if drops will continue next days, and if you hold significant shares, then the feeling in gut is bigger at 10% than 5 or 2 or 1 as well. And if not mistaken I think it's been a while since it dropped that low.
I don't think that's a fair way to characterize it. 10% is a big deal on any stock, no? How does a stock drop 10% in a few hrs w/o a sell off somewhere?
I don't understand.. How do mm make stock go down near 10% in a few hrs?
Between whom?... and what is the mobile invite referenced?
Feel free to correct me but imho, a near 10% drop in any stock in 1 aft, is NOT not a big deal & I would also wonder how light trading results in a near 10% drop. Wouldn't that indicate a pretty sizable sell-off?
That doesn't ans the question or provide any links to. To "conjure" in my mind, is to use one's imagination & imagery. My mind is likely as good as yours to imagine, but if you know of actual cases very similar in the past, that can be looked at in DD, then I bet you used that kind of info to increase your knowledge, than imagination. The idea of your scenario, sounds very interesting & plausible but I just wondered if it actually has happened b4, in a "patents" context.
Thank. I already knew about that, it's been boldly pasted on the headlines... but what my question was really wondering was (if you know) whether or not my android phone (and browser I'm using) is capable of displaying all the L2, same as what you are seeing? For ex, it's supposed to be real time but so far I do not see real time info posted. I'm not sure (kinda doubt) that I can see all the Montage data same as you..
Thankyou.. that is the kind of info that I was looking for & can be very helpful to show what/why, etc. Can I display that L2 data on my android handset? No pc currently.
If it was obvious, then why would I ask the question? I asked it because I guess I don't know as much as you do, which should be obvious...
Thankyou spec... posts like that help me in a minute, to understand things that I sometimes can't figure or get from board reading, etc, for years. Good explanations like that are very important at a time like this & a story like VP.
That is a very good point & I had just came up w/a similar scenario, in my mind as I pondered this big question of this seeming stuck pps, at a time most think it should be climbing. But I don't have much (if any) insight as to how that is accomished by some lurking entity, etc., i.e., if some "concern" sees the opportunity (as I think your post suggested), then how do they do it & isn't such manipulation there, for those who know how to read the available data, to simply look at & see what occurred, to put pps where it is? Is the pps just a mystery that cannot be substantiated or calculated?
That strikes me as an unreasonable stretch. Has that been known to happen.. can you give an example where it has happened before?
Could you please explain how someone w/a lg number of shares keeps the spkr low?
Thx
http://ihwiki.advfn.com/index.php?title=Most_Frequently_Asked_Questions#I.27d_like_to_change_my_alias.2C_how_do_I_do_that.3F
If you scroll down (if the link doesn't anchor to the specific query) the page, it explains how. Basically you do a search 1sy to make sure your choice is available & if so, contact admin & they will take care of it. Sorry if someone else has already answered this, I didn't check.
So you're saying what then..... that vp slid too quickly thru the patent acquisition process? Yah... the gov needs to switch to decaf...
Why would you ask him that question when he just said:
"....stock scams like VPLM"
???
Would you kindly explain how the more recent changes in BOD & more importantly, the PATENTS, are part & parcel of "an obvious pump & dump scam"?
It seems to me that such possib offers, at this stage of the game, are highly sensitive info in a cutthroat environment & if management is competent & trusted, then best left to them to handle negotiations & timing of release of said info. They, after all, are running the co, not us. That said, all things considered, I think they should not keep shareholders in the dark. But looking at all the recent pr's & the conference call, we're not kept in dark.
Explain "of course" they would logic..
How do you know that such offers have not been made?
Thx for the advice to dig back. I had heard relative recent mentions of various open court cases but the prevailing responses seemed to indicate no biggy, not to worry, not currently important, and the like, so I looked fwd & it all sounds so positive & also seemed to lack the classic pump/dump earmarks. So I checked & saw the board went back over 3 yrs & over 6k posts. Started at beginning & saw no concerns in 1st hundred posts & then started jumping ahead faster & around 1900 I began to see some issues surface. I have to go back as I've already 4gotten what it was all about but it didn't sound too good & I remember thinking I can't believe stuff at that level would be all forgotten & under rug more recently. Something about bleam, was it & claims of wrongdoing causing a big deal to not happen? Another thing I didn't quite get, from the real early posts, was the idea that man posters seemed to equate voip-pal w/magic jack, which I had never heard b4, but my research told me was only an affiliation w/those ppl that didn't sound anyth like Vplm main gig was that, so it is indeed confusing. And I also wonder about why is or ain't w/regard to the voip service and/or the software App? I'm not good at this stuff at all & feel headaches coming on...
Thx. I guess I was thinking that when you know you are about to get "easy money" in the multiple billions, that thinking of future & stewardship, rather than "greed", might be a consideration, if there is long time, massive amts of licencing fees to collect, thus continuing billions, maybe for continuing & growing list of long investors. In other words, not like a "one hit wonder", but a deep well.......or not..
Thx 4.reply but I don't follow.. as far as I can understand, the co had to aquire the technology & go thru this lengthy & difficult patent process, which sounds to have begun yrs ago.. that part sounds legit enuff to me... and I also believe they are an Internet phone co, right? There's tons of voip company's out there but what struck me as the crux here is these patents, which apparently have come into demand & into law, in order for a voip co to be able to continue & prosper. Am I right so far? I have read alot of this board & I have seen a very small # of posts talk scam but I didn't see any substantiation to that claim, least not that I could grasp. Then add what I understand & have not seen disputed, the more recent joining to B.O.D., highly respected tech ppl, no? And I see very little hype from company until last couple days, but the touts sound very important & reasonably put, almost a crime if not pointed out, type of touts. And I see it grow from a penny or 2 awhile back to a pretty steady 7 to 10 cents & holding it's own in that frame for a long time now...and I keep seeing all these post conjecturing about imminent buyouts, which seems pretty logical to me, but I start thinking 1)if truly the value is the patent & Vplm holds them, and if the value is as has been pointed out here, extra potentially huge, then why would they he so eager to sell if they are "the piper"? (pay the piper) & 2) if any of above or any of the facts pointed out so liberally on this board, for mos now, are not true or there significant & provable doubts can be cast, where are they. I must be missing something major here (and I don't doubt that possib, since I don't know much about financials). From what I have read here, the tech & the patent process & what has so far been secured in that regard, incl all the linked gov't infos, seem fairly unassailable thus major value "a lock".. Please shed light on the hidden or missing facts. Sure the mkt is always speculative, but how can this situ not be a winner?
The idea is that whoever holds the patents, must get paid royalties or rentals or some form of pay for use of, right? If that is true (correct me if wrong please) and such massive value for quite some time is in place, then why would Vplm want to sell it?
Why? If the patents are as exclusive, needed & valuable potentially, as has been gone over & over here... then please elaborate your reasoning why they would sell out so relatively cheap...? (or at least it sounds that way).
At the risk of repeating yourself again...... PLEASE DO!!!..... (25 bill...25 bill...25 bill... I think we can... I think we can.... I think...)
Thankyou for the informative & encouraging post!
I venture the avg delusion is far heftier. Some folks have likely already surpassed that. I've already gone 4 & 5 bagger in relative short time. And at these prices, 10/20 is nuttin2 write home about, for small fish, but awesome growth for major holders.
Common sense dictates that u can't have 1 w/o the other, yet posters often ask about or refer to "sells/buys". I have never seen any online stock infos/data that lists if transactions shown were 1 or the other, altho maybe on some levels it does, but I've seen folks post as tho they know which, based on?) but then next guy comes along & disputes or doubts, so I just don't get it. The only thing I can figure is if someone says "last 10 transactions were all buys", then it must mean the MM selling from his manip...er.. I mean accumulated stocks? I really haven't much clue as to how these things work, but if that is indeed the case, then where is the "nearby/closeby" posted record of his "sells"? Lastly & perhaps most importantly, what does it matter if a given was a buy or a sell, when 1 cannot occur w/o the other? I'm prolly the only one that needs this explained.. oh well..