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Thanx. How do you arrive at that figure, if you don't mind me asking? Any sort of model or table? It seems to me that any offer will be far less than potential licensing & infringement value, even short term, because the IP is so far reaching.
Thx.. so does the "summing up" include the Canada guess? lol (at this point, I wouldn't divulge it either) lol lol
I don't know what "disparaging" remarks you mean. I really don't. I would like you to give examples so I knew what you meant by disparaging. In my opinion, it's not valid for you to worry about whether or not someone's a shareholder or not. Here's why: what matters is their motivations driving their comments on a stock msg board, not whether or not a shareholder. There can be very reasonable & valid reasons to post on a board w/o being a s/h, for example, maybe someone is shopping & interested & asking questions & gathering info, etc. On the other hand a shareholder might be pumping for self enrichment or bashing to short. Thus wrong to be trouble solely by assuming that if not a s/h, then something ain't right.
If you thought what you meant by disparaging were also unfounded AND made by a non s/h, and equated that w/bashing, I could understand the concern, but unless you can provide some example of that specifically, then it's all assumption & unfair at that.
Also, I disclosed on more than 1 occasion, before, that I was a shareholder & that I was long. Either you missed that or don't take someone's word..? I have expressed some concerns about specific things & validated them well. Have also offered warnings when I thought it was prudent & warranted, on balance from what sometimes, no.. often is, posters going too far with their beliefs & claims & esp in a way that assures others to hop on same bandwagon, regardless of the extreme rarity for a 5/10 cent stock, w/a questionable past (from what I've seen & heard here on occasion) & no money & no income, to hit a gusher. At the same time I have clearly on numerous occasions, spoken positively about the plusses & the promise of the IP. I don't think I've made any unfair or unfounded or negative remarks for their own sake. I welcome any challenge to that because I have no interest in doing so & need to know if I'm violating my own principles.
I've explained myself & rather move back to discussion of vplm. I would like to hear opinions of what is the minimum sale price acceptable to the board. And why licensing is not a good idea (supported by lawyers on contingency)
A wash & a washout are not the same thing. Sometimes they are used as same. A wash is a general term not in any reference to financial when meaning a balance or 1 thing cancels out another. There is however, a wash term that IS in context w/stocks & is illegal, also know as a wash sale. A washout can have several different meanings. In a financial or stocks context. I'm not really sure what it means, but i believe in some cases or maybe often, it refers to a big downturn in mkt. Usually a downturn signifies a sell-off & a sell-off at least in part, means that for one reason or other, stockholders were moved to sell. I equated the above with a shaking out of looser hands, i.e., looser than those stand long during such sell-off times. It was just a guess on my part that is what it might all mean, because I don't really know that well. But I said it was my opinion. And I think above makes sense.
I could've been wrong about my answer to the person who asked the question about washout, in my interpretation, but then the original person who suggested washout replied to me, saying "exactly". I took that as confirmation.
I guess you are. It's very simple & straightforward. Plus I explained it a few posts back very clearly. It began w/post #7643, keplar, when he made the comment about "interest up north". I replied it was a great post. Then there was a couple of guesses as to what he meant by "up north", followed by #7646 mentioning about MS HQ being up north of our HQ. I asked a few posts later after more conjecture about what "up north" was, what "our headquarters" meant exactly. He didn't reply & then there were several more guesses & opinions posted as to the meaning of up north & our headquarters. So that's when I posted that now would be a good time for the orig poster (keplar) to chime in & that he could have some fun w/all the conjecture, by simply saying he meant something entirely different than all the guesses (which could be true, for ex he could've meant Canada).
If you think that is so hard to understand, ok..
That's an interesting possibility buyhigh. When it 1st caught my attention, I think something along that line crossed my mind. I didn't really know what to think, as I'm not versed at all in how that stuff works, corporate thinking & all that.. But the question had been trying to gel in the back of my mind ever since I learned that MS had lost out to VP on this IP. I didn't even have it straight until something I read very recently (maybe your post, in part?) that it was MS being too late. I thought it was some other more sophisticated reason. But I read that both applications were very close to same thing. That's when my 1st thought was close to what you asked. But that thought was followed by: "naahh", can't be that sophomoric for such a mammoth Co. I think my last thought was well...maybe they thought it was worth a shot and/or maybe they arrogantly stuck some transparent "twist" or difference on & believed it just might sneak thru. After all, when you have that much $ all kinds of "magic" happens.
But when I came to realize the potential far reaching importance of the patents & that vp had them, it's really hard to believe it's just that simple (that they will have that amount of voip control). It's like the difference between a class 0 & 1 civilization, lol.
I can't help but wonder if the legal beagles for the big voip companies will be able (certainly they will try) to manipulate around the infringement questions like the MM's do w/the pennystocks. I wonder if MS will be the buyer?
I hear ya.. Based on all the previous history & timing, you are prolly right about that. Reminds me of "the chamber's brothers" "THE TIME HAS COME TODAY! "
Maybe I'm confused. I thought it was someone else who made the original reference to "up north". My post that you referenced, was saying in essence, that several ppl here weren't sure what it meant & so i was saying he could jump in now & easily have some fun with it, which could make all the guesses look silly & I just used the "virtual idiot" label because I thought it was a humorous label I haven't heard before. It's all kinda funny
You know... that's an interesting point you noted at the bottom. I wonder why MS bothered to file 2 yrs post digifonica. It has been said that the name & the technology was VERY similar... and it's common knowledge that all sorts of abstracts & searches are done before application for patent files & in this case (MS) one would think it was the best lawyers money could buy.... all that... and yet they lose because they were 2 yrs too late. I find that very curious...
Since no response, my guess would be it meant a "shaking loose" of some loose hands or those less "long" in the stock, thus "washout". Just my guess.
Well, now would be the perfect timing for the OP to chime in w/either his orig intended meaning, or, if he wants to have fun...(which he might) make everybody look like "a virtual idiot" lol... (which I think is an oxymoron anyway)
I don't know what a virtual idiot is but it sounds like something that isn't real. In the interest of being real, rather than the couched insinuation, why not choose whatever you read that you don't understand and/or agree with, and simply ask for clarity or something like that? If I didn't feel any comments made didn't have substance, pertinence or something to validate, as well as have value, I wouldn't make them. But thanks for your take on things.
*update: it would very interesting to me, to hear you or anyone, reference a statement made by self, that would lead you or them to surmise that I would not be a shareholder, or knowledgeable about vplm, or opinions offered, or not have read website or listened to CC, etc etc. If anyone cares to, please don't "broadband" or generalize, be specific. That would allow me to either be corrected or validated.
Most definitely, per the recent posts about "MG" patent. Plus I recently posted an article w/similar ideas for Bangladesh (30 million pop).
TOO COOL!!! SO WE ARE JUST IN TIME FOR THE "MIRACLE ON 34TH ST.!!! Hahaha... bwa ha ha
http://m.regus.com/mt/www.regus.com/office-space/bellevue
It sounds like one of those "rent-a-office" deals. Looks impressive.
I don't know if sarcasm or what? I would have thought "our headquarters" would mean voip-pal's, but I had recently read somewhere that it consisted of a p.o. box #. I don't know if that's true or not, nor did I check or care, as that doesn't concern me, in a case such as this stock. But, lol, if they meant north of the p.o. box, then maybe the box in the next row above is where "the BIG "W" is, lol!
(maybe he just meant Canada?)
That's question easily reflects the fact that you post stuff w/o having read obvious, up front, & even recent things posted here on this board. Not that it's any of your business, but I have disclosed that I have owned this stock for a long time (measured in yrs) & have been a member of this board since longer than most here (several yrs) & have read it it's entirety (or at least close to). I have only added to my position, numerous times, and never sold a share yet, even tho I am now facing the most dire consequences in the next few days. And you?
(by the way, as a mod, why would you ask such a question of a poster? Is being a s/h a requirement? I don't see where it is or even should be.. that said, if a poster was a pumper or basher, it would a fair question I guess, but I am not & have been extremely OBJECTIVE in all posts, you?)
Umm.. ok, I'm still not sure how that relates to "up north"? Sounds cryptic.. (where's that guy w/the decoder ring when you need him..?)
what exactly is "our headquarters"?
Thankyou Kepler... Excellent stuff excellent post!
"PATIENCE AND YOU WILL BE GREATLY REWARDED" was just another one of those fortune cookies, as opposed to words from some great seer, as such words are characterized. So easy to instruct ppl at large what they ought to do, unequivocally. In my opine, such ASSURANCES which sound like a promise & a guarantee, are best directed at one's self & fortunes won or lost, happen free of such hype. And while there is plenty w/vplm to provide hope & merit, there are in reality, countless examples of stocks that held very similar "promise" and fell flat in the end, for many different reasons. It certainly doesn't have to be a scam for such to happen, nor am I saying that's the case. Patience can be a virtue, yes...but can just as easily be a bain. Therefore, especially in penny stocks, statements of such confident promise, are not any body's friend. A wish & hope for the best, based on the info, is as far as it should go, with other people's money.
As an aside... there are roughly 9-10 million u.s. millionaire's & 24-25 million worldwide. I could say that's a huge number, as it is. I could also say it's a miniscule number, as it also is. One thing is for sure (I believe)... that the percentage of those millionaire's who became so due to pennystock investment, is pretty low on the list of avenues that got them there.
That said, vplm's scenario is not your avg pennystock story & it appears to hold great potential. I have personally chosen to "go for broke" w/it (but I have an unusual set of reasons for that decision & I would never advise even close to that).
I hope it works out for all.
Wise words! And oh so obvious.. Many focus on the wrong things. Simple.. either you're long.. into a buyout, in which case, why even bother looking at daily pps?........ or.... you're trying to be long, but want or need to take some profits, but greed steers you past the liquid & lucrative peaks (20 freakin cents!) and back into sellouts & fallbacks, which make you say "damn" & blame MM's........or.... simply look at the very frequent & consistent pattern exhibited for what...the last 3-4 straight months?? ... and swing trade at least a safe portion of a position into that. At least that's how it looks to me. Seems undeniably a good course of action?
Long ago there was a scrolling sign high atop a bank bldg skyscraper in philly, which could be seen for miles & from the freeway that passed by the bldgs from a distance. It said: "wishing won't do it, saving will!". In this case, I say, cussing the MM's won't do it (wasted energy), working WITH their manipulations WILL!
(the savings bank was PSFS or PFSF & the freeway was the skuykill (sp?) expressway, otherwise known back then as "the surekill expressway or the skuykill parking lot.
That's absolutely true but as I noted earlier in a decision of such possible magnitude, perhaps the "down the road" time/value added element that's part of the licencing (and infringement) angle, would be way more long term value for more generational family members. It's a valid & important decision making factor, I think... but what's really needed is for somebody to put together some realistic numbers for both possibilities.
Yeah I think that was in last week's fortune cookie ; <{}
So you agree...?... or do you mean something else?
I still don't understand why, if the potential license fees are as astronomical as all the facts so far seem to bear out, why vp wouldn't or shouldn't monetize via licensing, plus of course there's all the infringement to field as well & can't for the life of me, if all is so, why top notch lawyers wouldn't kill for the chance to handle on contingency. I have yet to see a good answer to that whenever it's been brought up (contingency). No doubt some lawyers in this arena who read the board. Like to hear their opinions on this. What does the avg s/h here think a buyout will most likely net? & what do they think the next 10 yrs potential is re: licensing alone, much less infringement?
Well aware of that. Article wasn't posted for purpose of showing that days mrkt cap. It was posted for 2fold reason. 1) I think articles that cover good & reasonably up to date info about vp, from different sources & not just copied pr's, get read by some newcomers & help get word out. This particular article was hosted by etrade, my broker & I saw it (vplm) mentioned while I was checking my acct. 2) interestingly, I had just posted comments that I wound up correcting myself on, about how sometimes it looked to me like vp promoted it's voip services in a way that seemed misleading, especially if no one uses it & it has no income from it. Well, when I clicked on the link to the vplm article on etrade, the article that came up, is not the one I posted. The one that came up was approx a week more current & had about a half dozen ways of listing & touting ONLY vp as a voip co & points phone & was info straight from vp. That was orig point in that it wasn't touting the patents. This article made no mention of the patents. At bottom of the article, it had a "read the full story" link (it was not listed as an advertisement, only an etrade article). I clicked on that "full article link" & was prompted to give email to get the extended article. I did so & instead of getting an extended article, it sent me a whole new one which didn't contain any of the orig article that was only all about vp voip service. It was the from about the 20th this time & had all the stuff about the patents & was different than the pr's & I thought gave a nice fairly current overview for newcomers to read, only a little over a week old. So I thought it was a better thing to post than one that showed my point about only voip services. I should have also noted that it was apparently hosted by etrade, just as I have posted a couple of WSJ hosted articles on vp.
VPLM FULL REPORT
Market Value$76,710,888a/o Sep 20, 2013
Shares Outstanding831,103,877a/o Aug 06, 2013
Float322,598,360a/o Jan 31, 2013
Authorized Shares901,000,000a/o Jun 20, 2013
VPLM addressed how its Mobile Gateway technology could serve as a solution to the European Union's desire to bring an end to mobile roaming charges. The plan put forth last week calls for a two year phase out of roaming fees beginning in July of 2014, along with implementing price caps of EU-wide calls at the level of long-distance calls within a country. The proposed changes are part of a broader plan to fix the EU's fragmented telecoms market and encourage investment in new high-speed networks.
The plan is receiving opposition from such large network owners as Vodafone, Orange and O2 owner Telefonica. They warn that these proposals could cost them billions of dollars in lost revenues by forcing operators to offer a flat rate at home or abroad for calls, texts and internet connections across Europe. Neelie Kroes, EU Commissioner for Digital Affairs called roaming charges a "cash cow" for operators and "a disproportionate irritant for travelers."
Voip-Pal's Mobile Gateway is a solution to the growing global problem associated with roaming charges. Mobile Gateway is a sophisticated application that uses a phone's existing mobile network and leverages local reserved phone numbers from wherever the call originates, allowing the user to make a long distance or international call at the same billing rate as a local call. Mobile Gateway technology also applies to SMS and data.
Dr. Thomas Sawyer, Chairman and CEO of Voip-Pal stated, "Anyone who has travelled to the European Union, Africa, or Asia has experienced the frustration of choosing between very expensive hotel telephone rates or paying exorbitant roaming charges. Neither is a desirable choice. I have paid almost US$1 per minute for roaming charges. While the European Union is attempting to pass legislation to abolish roaming charges in the future, VoIP-Pal currently has the technology to negate roaming charges for all customers. This capability could offer an alternative to the EU Commission for Digital Affairs to alleviate tourists' complaints."
The Company also announced that a White Paper has been prepared in order to provide greater understanding of Voip-Pal's patent portfolio and serve as a guide explaining how Voip-Pal's technology solves many issues relating to VoIP communications. The White Paper is expected to be posted on voip-pal.com today.
I'm gonna go ahead & correct myself here. I just took a close look at the current vp site home page & either they recently changed & reworded what they are all about, or I read it wrongly in the 1st place... because the way it reads now, is pretty clear & reasonable w/respect to the patent play. I'm thinking they changed it. It looks proper & correct now.
That said, if you can sign up & use the service, then why no users or income?
And, to tout themselves as "the technical leader of voip", based solely on patent applications (and even now w/patents awarded) is a stretch at the very least, since no patents are yet proven to have the value & the control that they look to have.
In other words, wouldn't it at least look better & project a better image, to at least sell some subscriptions & generate a bit of income from what they are originally supposed to be (a voip co), rather than just use it for testing? I mean if they have proprietary equipment that has value to the public use, then why not at least try to pay their salaries & debts w/their products, instead of just selling shares & paying lawyers fees? As to the patents process, they all were filed long ago, I believe by digifonica, so all vp has to do is fill out/send in a few forms here & there. Does anybody on this board use voip services? Do they use voip-pal/platinumphone?
Unless I saw it wrong, the vp website seems to say they are a voip Co & that you can go to platinum phone (or whatever it's called), and use their service. When you go to that website, it also appears to be telling visitors that they are offering this great voip service, and it can be used.. Ok...So then I see that vp has no money & no income basically, and I ask myself why, if they have this voip phone & switch & service? I'm told now that it's there but it's not usable except for some kind of testing purpose. If I have all that straight, I find the website, both of them misleading & kind of untoward. Originally, ppl here seemed to have the idea that vp was responsible for and/or owner of & there big thing, was magic-jack. Maybe they actually were just an affiliate or had some other connection, but I don't think vp was magic-jack, as the early posters here seemed to be telling ea other. Then, at some point, after alot of fuzziness as to what vp really was & was really doing, came the news about digifonica & one or the other (vp or digi) merging or acquiring the other & at some further point, explained about the patents.
All that then & now, re: the voip business & how it is advertised as such, is imho, confusing & probably is to other visitors to either website & when such site visitors then check further & find out no money no income.... I think that is a negative & that vp should clear all that up. If they are solely a company that is dealing on the patents, then that what the sites should say. That's my opinion.
What happened to the voip side of voip-pal? Do they have such a service or no? They say they do... If so, why no income from? What's up w/all that?
I found the post I was thinking of. It was indeed a reply to my question. Don't know if it'll shed any light.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=92013722
There was a post here approx a month ago that addressed the question of cash/shares/or both... and it was suggested w/some explanation that I can't quite remember at the moment, that it was unlikely for a sale to result in shares of new Co to to vp s/h's., but maybe cash partially supplimated by shares. In fact, I think it mightve been someone's reply to my question about "if there's a buyout", then what happens? I think he had a plausible reason but I can't recall it. I'll look.
The use of "actually" & "probably" in same sentence (in previous post) doesn't lend to the credibility of the statement/point made there. Also it's incorrect that the poster you referenced as stating that the company (in the CC) said it's worth over 25 bil., said that. I believe that he actually said that the vp guy said that "they THOUGHT that the patents might or could be worth more than 25 bil. There's a big difference between the actual statement & what you said the poster attributed to the company officer. So if you don't get it right, then you're actually misquoting (or at least mischaracterizing) 2 people, the company official & the poster.
Below is an excerpt that I cut from an article I came across about various issues & need for solutions involving voip assisted crime in Bangladesh only. Not sure if any real interest or connections to the solutions offered by VP, but after reading the company's PR about euro interest, I thought maybe pertinent.
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".... Though computers are becoming common household items and the
number of Internet users has already crossed thirty million, very few
computer-based offences are reported to the police. In Bangladesh there is
no cyber police or virtual police to handle the incidents such as computer
abuses, hacking attempts and other information security breaches. It is
known that there is a cyber crime unit of the Criminal Investigation
Department (CID) headed by a DIG. Some officers were given special
training on the purpose, but for the want of necessary logistic support the
unit remains non-functional.
The technologies and the services offered through the Internet like social
networks or social blogs have significantly changed. The interception of
voice-over-Internet-Protocol communication, the admissibility of digital
evidence in criminal proceedings, procedures for investigating cases
involving encryption technology or means of anonymous communication
are urgent issues that are not, however, being addressed at the regional
level and only in some cases they are being addressed at the national
level. Addressing those issues is important, as traditional investigative
instruments often fail when it comes to cybercrime investigation. One
example is the interception of communications. These networks are often
spread across borders and the inter-state cooperation is a must for
investigation and frequent exchanges of information between states to
prevent such crimes. The law enforcers should have special knowledge
and special training and supported with information and communication
technology.
National legal systems should protect the confidentiality, integrity and
availability of data and computer systems from unauthorised impairment
and ensure that criminal abuse is penalised but permit the preservation of
and quick access to electronic data pertaining to particular criminal
investigation by law enforcers. The fight against the criminal misuse of
information technologies requires development of solutions taking into
account both protection of individual freedoms and privacy and the
preservation of capacity of governments to fight such criminal misuse.".....
Well, as to MG & all the rest, it seems to be an unstoppable train on the right track... I just hope no "unforseen" train from elsewhere gets on the wrong track & causes a you know what.. or our train not safely reaching the destination.
Good to hear but I don't think any here are gonna settle for 50 cents. I don't think anyone is even considering anything under a buck & I bet most are really expecting more like $5. I hope it goes into that realm.