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I have emailed Hicks, the patent agent.
No word as of yet.
WOW!
What a find! It sounds like our puppy. And it's a Canadian based agent.
Now we have to discover if that is the highly-touted EM-100.
Tell me, who is Leonard Eugene McKeary, the inventor?
Can we track that name back to KSWJ?
Nice find, gandalf48ct.
I don't want a "yes" or a "no" answer.
I keep telling you to ask questions that force their hand, that challenges them to respond in depth.
That way, we get a better feel of where they are coming from.
Are they shooting straight, or are they being deceptive?
That is why I asked "when" instead of "do you have".
That being said, I would treat a "yes" response with skepticism, too, because I, without an explanation from them, would feel as if Emash may have misinterpreted my question.
I would prefer to hear a negative this way: "Energomash is not part of a Joint Venture with KSW Industries, Inc, located in the USA. We have received much mail on the topic, and would now like to end such speculation of these rumours by publically declaring that no JV exists between the two parties in question."
But instead, Emash just responds with a "No".
I asked "when".
They write "no".
I say, no what?
No, we are not going to explore that issue with you?
Or, no, we do not have a JV?
Or, no, we do not know what you are meaning?
Or, no comment?
I refuse to accept the "no" response since it translates into a whole array of things when it answers to a "when".
No? No what?
Here's our avenues of recourse:
(1) The US Patent Office. Can we find EM-100 there? Know anyone who works there and can browse their files?
(2) Russian business web-sites. I wonder if such a site would post the JV with KSWJ.
(3) How does KSWJ get the money that we invest? Follow that trail. Someone sends the money to KSWJ. Investigate that angle. Discover addresses and names.
(4) The SEC. I wonder if the SEC might slip-up and devulge information that could give us clues. In my discussions with an SEC guy, I felt like he could "crack" had I used the right angle on him. He could get "emotional" on the issue. Hit the right nerve with him and he'd talk. I'm sure. Just enough.
(5) Energomash. Ah, these folks, again.....There has to be an angle that can give us the proper edge on them, forcing them to say just enough....."With your JV with KSWJ and it's EM-100, the American television networks are wondering why Energomash continues to stall with the deployment of the technology in the field, which would help lower the cost of oil. President Bush pondered the same thing. Your response, gentlemen?" Well.....needs a little work, I know......
(6) Who is submitting the PR's for KSWJ? Can we infiltrate the news services to obtain that info? Is there a public paper trail?
(7) Anything else?
I think that our savvy, fluent speaking Russian would get the same "No" response.
Emash has no obligation to give info to just anybody off the streets. They would want to get anybody out of their hair, and send them away with a short and pointed "no".
I don't know, david.
I wonder the same things.
I'm not saying the EM-100 is real.
I'm just trying to investigate this with an open and unbiased mind.
A cop wouldn't approach a suspect, ask the suspect if they did the crime, then get off of that lead when the suspect responded with a "no". Of course, he is going to say "no".
Energomash says "no" too easily.
I will not be convinced until the "no" is backed with an explanation. Of course Emash will answer "no" if they are dedicated to keeping silent on the JV. And they follow that up with no other discussion. It's always just a "no" from them.
I think that there is a bit of confusion perhaps due to the translation from English to Russian. So I, like the cop and his suspect, refuse to accept the "No" for now.
As for KSWJ and the way they are approaching getting this invention to market.....I couldn't say. Perhaps they are bogus.
But perhaps, too, they felt that initially that they would be taken advantage of when they first started out. Perhaps they felt that they had no leverage in, or no knowledge of, the art of negotiation, and that sent them to find a partner more suited for such matters......Who the heck knows.
I know that most of us would have little idea about such matters if we had an invention to market. We may fear that we'd get deceptive information that would lead us down a path of negotiation that could cost us millions. And then there's the fear that the technology might fall into the hands of another party while we were demonstrating it to potential buyers......So we may feel the need to embrace ourselves with a party who has been thru such ordeals. Who knows.......
Look....KSWJ doesn't need an office. There's no "business" to conduct there. Everything they would do now would be conducted out on the road.
Energomash holds the key. Get the proper info from them, and you've hit paydirt.
As of now, I do not consider a lone word of "no" to be a complete and proper response to our inquiries.
Like someone posted earlier as a response that they had gotten from Emash, I think that they are trying to tell us "No Comment" when we quiz them.
If KSWJ is legit, then the stock will explode some day not too far off in the future.
And that's why I'm here.
I'm getting the right "pot odds" to play this puppy.
It certainly is worth a "call" to see all the cards left to come.
2 problems with that:
(1) Emash responds with a "No" no matter what your question is. Could be something is lost in the translation.
(2) If Emash is dedicated to keeping mum on the topic, why would they spill the beans to some pip-squeeks like us?
And keep in mind that KSW Industries, Inc may change a bit spelling-wise from English to Russian.
I was looking at a web site that discussed businesses in Russia, and Energomash was spelled a little differently.
So it is possible that, in their minds, they do not have a JV with a KSW Industries, Inc. because the spelling of that company is a bit different when displayed in Russian language.
Perhaps????
Which is it, Janice?
Bogus PR?
Or a legit PR?
Which is it?
Your teetering, my dear...........
What is the outlook for BigHub?
Has the company spoken lately?
Where do you see this in 6 months time?
But look, everyone!
why are we getting so hung up on an office, an address and a phone number?
Think about it......
Why does KSWJ need an office and a phone number?
KSWJ doesn't sell anything. KSWJ does not offer services. KSWJ does not manufacture goods. KSWJ has few employees to place out in the work force.
All that KSWJ has is an invention.
And the only area of focus that KSWJ has is getting licensing or JV's negotiated.
ANd that means that the few employees KSWJ has are out on the road all the time, looking for a "sale", a deal.
There is no need for an office.
KSWJ's office is just the hotel they are staying at while talking to companies.
There is no friggin' need, right now, for an office for KSWJ.
So that is why there are strange addresses and phone numbers.
Someone at KSWJ just threw some numbers around so as to appease the trading web sites. They needed to show numbers, so in lieu of a brief case and a hotel room they worked out of, you got the strange numbers.
At any rate, KSWJ began this capital venture of theirs with no phone, no office, nothing.
They have an invention, and they are constantly traveling about to secure deals.
There is no need for an office.
That's moot.
Your focus need not be on that.
KSWJ may be bogus. But the lack of an office and a phone, for them, is certainly no indication of that.
Forget the office.
Concentrate on Energomash.
That's where the truth lies.
Hah! Janice, shame on you!
You state, without a doubt, that KSWJ is a scam.
Yet, you turn around now and say that the latest PR from KSWJ may NOT be bogus.
You can't have it both ways.
Is KSWJ bogus? If so, THEN THE PR HAS TO BE BOGUS!
Your belief that the PR may not be bogus indicates that you see the possibility that KSWJ is real.
I am getting the idea here that you think that KSWJ, the EM-100, and the JV may indeed be real....
That's why you're hanging around here......
Who says Emash is denying that they have a JV with KSWJ?
Emash has not stated that.
Learn grammar. A "no" doesn't work with a "when" question.
Very cool e-water video on Rushnation site.
What is the 8.4 ounce Energy drink?
Is that the apple drink?
And does anyone have a pic of that can?
Does anyone have a pic of the blister pack for the ginseng capsules?
AK47 --
Looking at September as our D-Day for Asia?
September?
Can't wait!
I think you have something there, AK.
Still, I'm antsy.
Asia will be huge.
News from there will explode this jewel!
Up on huge volume.
Why all the buys, FORDGT?
Where's the interest coming from?
We need a bright future in Asia.
That's where the money is at.
Based on Corr's rhetoric, it sounds as if the "Asian thing" did not go down well.
Sounds as if RUSH's future in Asia is dependent upon this coming Japan expo.
Am I reading too much into that?
Or is that the way you feel, too?
Anybody gotten any ideas on that email translation?
Make your questions to Energomash/KSWJ sound as if you know something.
Don't aim for a yes or no answer.
Force them to tip their hand by making them have to give answers that try to squelch rumors and news.
If you ask Joe if he took the money, he'll always say "no".
But ask him why or how he took the money, and he'll want to explore a conversation to explain himself to establish his innocence.
In short, with the right question, you'll get more information.
A yes or no response allows one to dodge or skirt the issue, or even mislead.
Energomash knows only one word of English!!!
Remember, I purposely asked them "when" they would announce to the public the JV instead of asking them "do you have" a JV, so as to force their hand away from a "yes" or a "no" answer.
Still, even after asking "when", I received the "No" answer.
So I'm not convinced....
To me, the "No" response may very well represent a "NO COMMENT" response.
A "No" just doesn't fit as an answer to a question beginning with a "when".
"When will you announce the JV...."
Answer: "No."
No??? No what???
I think they are trying to tell us "No Comment".
I'm just saying that, if there was news to report, it would be reported.
So there apparently is nothing to report since we have no news.
Just logic.
Why no PR's lately?
Tells me that there is no news to report.
But that message is not Russian language.
It's just how their software converts to our language.
You have to decode it, then translate it.
There are web sites that do that.
But I don't know how to copy and paste it onto the web site to get it translated.
have not tried.
low on funds.
Yes. I think that it would be a licensing deal with the Asians.
The Asians buy the rights to bottle and sell the drinks themselves.
Why ship the goods halfway across the world when they could be made in Asia?
So if it's that easy, why hasn't there been news on this?
Seems like it'd be easy to write up contracts, sign them, and send them on their way.
The Asian don't have to worry about logistics of shipping the goods with a licensing deal.
Seems a good play from here.
Or am I dreaming?
Is there a Russian in the house?
If not, Go to a translation web site and translate that jewel.
If it translates to anything but "No" I'll crap my pants.
Cans for vending machines?
Is that the idea behind cans?
Or are bottles not in vogue?
What transpired with Asia?
What do you think was decided?
How will the distribution to Asia take place?
When?
What might be the numbers?
I'm just tossing things about here, kinda day dreaming on a slow day.....
Any ideas, anyone?...........
I saw that, Calgarylady.
I apreciate your help and interest.
However, on first glance it seemed taxing and cumbersome, and beyond my computer knowledge.
I'm only a "point-and-click" kind of guy.
That's all I know.
Probably be boring on a date, too.
Maybe someone who has good computer skills can tackle such an involved job.
I hope so.
Ok, sir.
Just trying to figure it all out.
You can interpret that "No" in so many ways.
Here's my spin:
If I was to write to Energomash and ask them if they have a JV with KSWJ, they would reply with "No".
And if I was to write to them and ask if they had a problem with me stating that they had a JV with KSWJ, they would reply with a "No".
So where does that leave us? It seems that they just don't want to deal with us.
Either that, or they are having trouble with the language translation, and know only one english word.
My gut is telling me that the "No" actually means "We [Energomash] have NO COMMENT at this time."
Thoughts?
The problem is that keyboards are not compatible with the Russian language.
You can always find a web site that will translate your message.
But an English keyboard's characters do not match Russian characters.
So what to do?
Phone?
But why would they talk straight to an American who isn't even an investor in their company?
I think that Energomash would shy away from discussing their business to strangers.
WELL I'LL BE DAMNED !!!
I just got an email reply from Energomash.
Here is the entire correspondence:
Me: "When will you announce to the public the joint venture that you have with KSW Industries, Inc.?"
Reply from Energomash: "No"
That's it. Just "No".
The entire and complete response from Energomash is "No".
Not sure what that means.
Not sure how it applies to my question.
Apologies are in order for robsaia, who received the same reply.
Ok, Kim.
Good job.
Well done.
I'll work on the names.
Hope we can be partners in this.
Ok, then, where did you get the info that there was a JV?
I mean, you stated that there was a JV before it was mentioned in the KSWJ PR.
What lead you to believe that there was a JV before that PR?
Strictly from what you heard from the SEC guy?
Or was there some other source?
That's all I'm trying to learn here.
You keep mentioning that you knew of the JV long ago.
So how did you learn of it?
Yes, Rocket, I know about the PR and the JV mentioned in it.
But where is the discovery of the JV before that, as you have claimed to have?
I'm not trying to be negative here nor trying to belittle you here.
I'm just trying to learn and want the truth.
Please advise.
By the way, I do have an interest in this stock.
So I DO want your prognosis to be correct.
Yes, Calgary, but I don't see where you have uncovered evidence that points to a JV, like a quote from an Emash rep, a Russian news item, etc.
Calgary lady ==
I, too, have read every post on here.
I just don't see the evidence on here that Emash is a partner to KSWJ.
I know that you talked about them and looked into their background, but where do you find that Emash has a JV with KSWJ?
Please advise...........