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That is AWESOME if true...Can you confirm this??
Hi Paul...Being a Netcents shareholder definitely doesn't make me an expert..I may be privy to some info othets are not...Does that make what I post 100% "gospel"...I wouldnt go that far either...If I had a dime for how many times Netcents was ready to take-flight id be a wealthy man... Yet even Netcents has yet to prove itself 7yrs later!!..I would have gotten out of On4 longtime ago but when I first heard news of the "merger" I bought in to hedge against my MUCH more costly Netcents investment...That was at a time when the PR blitz's were happening and On4 was far above sub-penny...So now I have know choice but to ride it out...That said im skeptical...What is wrong with that...The info that has come forward from Netcents might explain why On4 continues to "bleed"...Does everyone have to take a positive stance?...That's ridiculous...There is a reason the stock is nose diving and in my opinion there is alot more at play here then Verts/Bids and Asks..You may not agree...Thats cool...For all of our sake I hope you and all the other experts are right!!!
And if "we" dont what's the next plan of attack??...PR predictions have been the MO on this sight for over 8months and still no PR push??...Just sit wait and keep making the same prediction I'm assuming is the order for the day...Should I say month...Or should I say year??
Where did you hear that??...Can you please forward where this info can be substantiated?..
Alot...Despite what you may read the merger is still quite aways a way...Netcents has yet to get it's new website up and running...Then they've got to start msking some cash before the merger is completed...If the merger takes place??...There's still several options out there... But On4 still looks like the easiest bet moving forward...On4 is going to have to move out of
"sub-penny land" before that happens though...
OK...Why are all the "experts" trying to convince the rest of us that there is a big conspiracy stopping this stock from blowing the roof??...
Really some big player is going and buying
30 million shsres for 27k anf selling them for 42k the next day??...Lets be honest the stock has only hit <than .001 a couple of times and the big loads..ie 87 mill... R coming in around .0014... If this is true the biggest buyer/seller has to be On4 themselves...Making max 15k a week based soley upon their manipulation...Maybe they r buying in at .0014 and dumping at .0019...
Either way the buy/sell ratio is not supporting this theory and if ur trying to dump 30mill the "full" ask is not going to come thru for sure...If ur a small player the gain is not worth the risk to play this flipping game...Know one is blocking a thing...Someone might be playing games though...If this is true look at the original shareholders of On4 and their history...Remember almost all their intellectual property was sold off...Not for cash I might add...But rather shares...Lots of them...And who really owns these companies that have supposedly bought this intellectual property.....ie...Sound Revolution??..
Epic...Thx for the info...Though I respect ur opinion Im just not in 100% agreeance...Maybe I should say...Im not as positive about how this relationship is going to play out...You are not the only one with experience with mergers...Granted I am not a big penny player...Not the safest game in town...But my experience says there seems to be something more going on here...Time will tell...As mentioned many times before...I became involved with On4 to hedge my Netcent investment and like you I saw the indicators to support buying in...So I did...Not as sure about that "today" as I was "yesterday"...JMO...
By the way did you get a hold of Clayton...Something tells me if you did I'm SURE you DID NOT get the answers you were looking for...Otherwise you would have posted this joyous occassion...There's a reason for this...Ponder that for a moment...
Holding on just like you!!!...Go ONCI!
Believe what u want Epic...It's "posters" like u im referring to...I know what i know...And that is that I hold a Netcents stock cert and have for apprx. 7years now...It sits in my filing cabinet waiting patiently...I have know idea why you feel compelled to say otherwise...Seriously what is ur issue with me and what compells you to call me dishonest ...When you get a hold of Clayton like you said you were going to do and "get some answers" why dont you ask him if they issued shares to a few dozen initial investors 6 or 7 years ago...Now granted the two companies could still merge all I was simply stating was that there are a number of factors at play here and anything is possible...I sure cant say that my opion is gospel I dont think anyone can...The simple fact that my last post was deleted says alot...Someone is doing their best to quash this info??...
No...Netcents has never been publicly traded...As mentioned I became involved during its infancy and was able to take advantage of the Private Stock Offering (PSO) thru a mutual acquaintance...
Sorry Paul should have answered this first...But im sure that you can infer from my first posting that Netcents is still a privately held company...So it currently does not trade hence no symbol..
I was fortunate to have been introduced to Clayton thru an acquaintance and was able to get in on the PSO...It has been 7yrs of praying and hoping with zero return on the investment...To be honest some very frustrating and heated conversations...But I do believe in the concept and have seen huge progress...Things have definitely improved and Clayton is going to make something happen I hope!...
NO...Netcents is not using any of On4's technology...Netcents is far too busy trying to get their own concept up and running...This has been seven years in the making and Clayton has been working too hard trying to make HIS "baby" become reality...There really is zero technology shared btwn the two and Im not sure what is actually left of On4s technology?...They have sold off most...If not all...Of their intellectual property...The "911" GPS pet stuff...The charity tunes thing...All non-existent...At this stge On4 is strictly a "shell" that Netcents needs to help them enter the public market...Im quite sure that if and when the merger does happen the name On4 will be gone and the company will trade trade under the Netcents name and obviously with a new trade symbol...
Hey Money...Quick FYI...If u havent already figured out from Clayton's reply...The merger is NOT complete...As a matter of fact Netcents released this months shareholders update yesterday and no mention of the merger...I repeat NO mention of the merger...Now this doesn't mean it won't happen?...I'm quite sure that if Clayton did release such info this could be deemed as insider trading...Which of course would get him into "hotwater"...But as per the update released yesterday the company is still excercising every possible option that is going to best benefit Netcents and their shareholders...I tell u this b/c I am a shareholder in both Netcents and On4...And though I want the merger to happen b/c of my stake in On4...I remain cautiously optimistic and believe that if a merger does take place it will be a reverse merger that will see On4 shares drastically reduced when exchanged for Netcent shares...Hope this offers some insight from a Netcents view point....Not trying to say it is 100% correct just an opinion that seems to be being emphasised through our updates from Clayton...More importantly I hope that everyone reads your post regarding Clayton's reply to you...B/C I do know there are a large # of followers on this sight who do not want to believe what Clayton is saying...Thx for posting his response!!
Old news Big Money....Clayton has been saying this from the beginning and why wouldnt he...Of course it will be good...Netcents will finally get it's shell...Doesnt mean On4 shares will be worth anything...Guarantee...If and when...(B/C it probably will happen)...The merger takes place the new share agreement will value these shares if were lucky at 1/1000 of their total volume...
Seriously...Tell me people really aren't getting excited and claiming the "On4 World" is about to "takeoff" just b/c someone or some people spent 5G's to buy 7 million shares...Come on really??
Give me # I have no problem calling!!...Atleast give me a name instead of just saying there out there???
What product???...What dealership???...
Ive been saying this for quite some time and have been preaching this much to the shigrin of the "Proud-Shaky-Ducks" of the world...One should be looking into these peoples motives??.. Again thanks for the support!!!...Please keep me informed...
Now ur talking!!!...Finally someone is seeing this stock for what it is worth!!...What I want to know is...How was over 400k put down against the debt when they have absolutely no income coming in...Could this be one of many PR scams loaded to pump up the stock??..They dont even have a viable product...Anything they did have...Which really amounted to nothing more than intellectual property...Not actual "working" property...Was "sold"...Check it out...Try and find any of their former supposed products / services that are even remotely close to being up and running...Call these companies they've been sold to...If u can??.. Ask them some questions...Again...If u can??...On4 registered in Delaware...But are only recognized by the Arizona Securities Commission...They've moved HO to Vancouver yet all calls still go thru Arizona???...Things that make u go hmmm!!...Then there is the question of all these bloggers telling everyone to keep "buying in" or "ready to take off any minute"!!...Then turning "nasty" on ANYONE who dare say anything -ve...Please let me know how ur quest goes regarding the leglity of what has been going on here!!
Prpoganda game wearing thin...Stock not looking good...Can anyone see this??????????
Dont have a clue...Never been mentioned in any shareholder updates...I do know they have worked deligently to be recognized by the conventional financial institutions...In Canada the only bank to not work directly with Netcents is the CIBC maybe BMO...Not sure...All other institutions have accepted Netcents as a legitimate recognizable form of bill payment... That said...I think working with Bitcoin could potentially be seen as a threat to this relationship?..I dont think banks are big fans of Bitcoin...I know its on their soon to be old website...But as far as I understand it's just another way to attract people who are interested in searching out alternative online payment methods?...But u never know??
First of all PnP...I think I've offered enough info that anyone with reasonable intelligence knows that Im not lying...Just b/c I ask that my privacy be respected and information that has been passed on to me as a shsreholder also be respected...What's ur freaking beef...Someone that has been involved wih Netcents pisses u off so much that u slag them every chance u get...U allude to people that I create fictiious relationships or that im "jacked on roids"...RU jealous or just hate me?? ..Either way...U should probably look in the mirror...Seriously!!
WOW!!...Pull the syringe outa my back would u please...And where do u classify urself..Let me guess ur the angel??....
That I cant tell u...But I can tell u something is holding the initial deal up...An R/S does seem to be the most plausible...But who knows???...I'll tell u if u havent already figured it out I'm still quite skeptical...
OK hotshot...im sure u will probably have a tough time wrapping your head around this but hear goes...I've been involved with Netcents since pretty much inception...Apprx 8yrs now...
Back when the companies initial focus was in off-shore gaming and "adult" entertainment sites...I was introduced to Clayton thru a mutual friend in Canada and offered an opportunity to get in on the ground level thru the PSO...More recently I have been working with Netcents to utilize the system with our company...And hopefully when the kinks get worked out and the new website is officially up and running we can integrate ...So yes ur right...Hooray!!...There is no symbol b/c it is not publicly traded and NO u CANNOT by shares in Netcents...Of course unless the merger goes thru then theoretically yes u2 can own shares in this great concept...
Until then u like everyone can continue to throw ur insults b/c u know SO MUCH MORE about Netcents??? ...
Im with you and hope it does happen!!...Im sitting on WAY TOO MUCH for FAR TOO LONG of both stocks without any return!!...
No one said it was a fake...DH!!...What was said is that it may not occur...If and when it does occur the merger will definitely have to be re-strucured to address the outstanding On4 share issue..So if it does occur there will be NO way that Netcents will take less equity for there shareholders while all On4 shareholders make out like bandits...Again...Netcent shareholders paid alot more for their shares then any On4 shareholder paid for these penny stocks..I know b/c I own both...Kinda common sense...
Now you my friend truly are a piece of work!!...Taking potshots from behind a blog site at me.. Not once have I thrown crap around about you on a personal level...Sure I may say some negative things about a company that we all have a vested interest in...But not about who you are or your integrity..What gives you the right...Just because someone thinks differently??... Or maybe it's b/c the stock is still sucking wind??..I don't know...Either way you must think your someone pretty special to be able to spew these personal shots out your finger tips...Hey maybe in the long run your genious will shine above and On4 will do the exact opposite of what I am predicting...Good on you...When that happens I'll be the first to tell you...You were right and I was wrong...Hope that makes you feel better... Then you can get back on this blog site like the "tough guy" you are and start calling me names from behind your little safety net!!...
I already told you anytime you want to see the "letter to shareholder" send me a private message with a way for me to get it to you..Respect my privacy I'll respect yours...I'm not about to publicly post something intended for Netcent shareholders on a sight such as this...If it was intended for On4 shareholders then you would have been sent a copy...U want to take shots at me personally but everytime...And I mean EVERYTIME..I have been willing to prove through hard evidence...ie...The Shareholders Update...No one is willing to except the challenge head on...I dont have to know who u are...I dont actually care who u are...Just give me a way of sending you the info and im more than happy to follow thru...Pretty simple!!...
What news??...U call that news...I know Clayton myself...Did you take in what he said...It was completely non-commital...Yes he would like to see the merger take place...As we all would...Even me!...Who still by the way holds shares in both companies...But it hasn't happened...Why??...Because there are a number of issues directly related to On4...Their debt for one is still a big issue...Two...Is it going to end up being what is best for Netcents?...What do you expect him to say...He cannot say anything committal because there is nothing to commit to...Not to mention it could be construed as insider trading which would probably get he and Netcents into potential legal issues...Good news is that On4 is working at lowering their debt...Where the funds are coming from is another story?...Last I looked they didnt even have a product to generate revenue from???...Kinda strange???
That's all u can pick away at...For crying out loud does it really matter...If uv been following the soap opera u know the general theme...IIt's a continuation of a thought...Pretty much speaking the same theme to the same people...Whom by the way seems to be pretty much everyone on this site...So does it really matter??
Thats a unique perspective. ..Something I havent heard and quite probable!!...If it happens relatively quickly and doesnt de-list before foreclosure as a result of lack of revenue...
Kendall is only involved with implementation and design of the new web site...In particular the behind the scenes framework that insures the seemles transfer of financial data...Kendall is not a shell they have been hired for services rendered. ..That's all...Probably not for cash... More likely in lieu of shares...Netcent shares...Definitely not On4...
Lets be honest nothing I say is going to change your mind or the minds of anyone else on this blog site...Only time will tell...And...If ur right I'll be the first one to say so and give you all the credit you deserve...If things go the opposite direction I highly doubt you'll have the character to recipiricate...
Uv already seen Kendall-Groups new web design...Any mention of an On4 connection there??...I dont think soooo...
Old web site pal....
For sure...Obviously u r going to take what you want from what I have said...But for me the most important thing relayed to Netcents shareholders was that there a 2 OTHER legitimate offers on the table...Options are good!!!...I've written off my On4...I'll hold what I have just in case...But as things have been unfolding...I'd rather be holding the "trump card"...U said it if Netcents$$$=On4$$$...So the opposite must also be true...No Netcents no On4... Makes perfect sense...N'est Pas?..NETCENTS for sure $$$$$$$....ONCI still ??????????...
I became involved with Netcents 7yrs ago thru an acquaintance of the CEO...And was able to hope on board the ISO / PPO...The stock does not trade as of yet...Hence the involvement with On4...Which I have been told was instigated to utilize the shell and facilitate a quick entrance onto the stock exchange...Once the company was generating enough revenue and share value the next plan was to make a move off the OTCB onto the NASDAQ or TSVX...Hasn't happened yet...But all of us shareholders have been waiting a long time to see this baby thru and at times grown frustrated...It has been a "bumpy" road to say the least...But we do believe in the product...That it makes sense and can work...That said Netcents is not quite ready to go live but it is closer than ever to finally reaping some fruit...Fingers crossed!!
U maybe correct with the potential btwn Bitcoin and Netcents...But I can tell you that Netcents' focus has been the convential banking system...They have been working hard the past 7yrs to bring the main banks on board...Two reasons...One the needed a legitimate approch to attract future investment partners...Two they need to attract the overall general public...Bitcoin though interesting is far from claiming its place alongside major banking institutions and the general public...Let's be honest very few people in relation to world money transfers are utilizing Bitcoin right now...May change in the future?...Banks and Govt's still see Bitcoin as a threat to the financial system and no way will Netcents jeopardize the relationship they have worked so hard to develop...
Now about the merger...There are 3 options on the table for Netcents...This according to our last shareholders update...Which means...There are AT LEAST 2 other legitimate offers on the table for Netcents... Obviously the intial PR release that emerged over a yr ago btwn On4 and Netcents is NOT a done deal..It does not take that long to finalize a deal like this unless there are problems... Something else is holding this merger up?.
By the way...U still haven't answered my question regarding ur merger prediction...Are u a Netcents shareholder??...How is it u are privy to this info and "we" shsreholders are not?... According to our last Netcents Shareholders Update that was definitely not the information given to us??...Let me know maybe u know more than us...Love to hear something solid!..
Obviously Tom Locke was not tipping his hand for a reason...B/C there is absolutely no connection...Only connection between Netcents and Bitcoin is that they share the concept of alternative on line payment options... Thats it!!...People who are willing to accept and utilize Bitcoin will more than likely be willing to sign up for Netcents...Obvious is'nt it...Why would you continue to infer that there is more to it than that is baffling? ...