arg, spare me the theories, what other stock am i bashing, please tell me, there are not to many pump/dump scams that i would spend my time on, but this one is such a classsic i just have to keep trying to help the long/bagholders/newbies and naive see the light, and that foolish wanna be, survivor, continues to play good cop bad cop with me while he says pavc is going to subpennies needs to grow up, now go have a good nite, all in my opinion

telea, that is a very interesting comment, would you care about share holders when you just pumped to a 50 bagger and cashed in, all in my opinion.

tiger, you are clueless, you need to learn how to trade the otc and for that matter amex, who do you think has the mm's in their back pockets, longs/bagholders are learning a valuable lessen considering the sp is trading at .006 presplit from a high of .30, take the rose colored glasses off and see the big picture, i bet you guys are excited that the sp bounced up a bit, lol

the mm's for pavc are ruthless, they let a few buys in at 1.48, take their money and then drop the price to 1.40 with a 1.30 bid, it just shows you what a shady operation pavc is, and not a word to defend it's share holders since the rs at 1:200, makes you wonder who the bad guys are, i would start with the pavc exec. in conjunction with the ta in conjunction with the mm's, in my opinion.

xray, you are dead on imo, they will have reinvented themselves with a new scam by then, same players, just different names, can you believe that there are a few left that still believe that pavc is a legit company, which in my opinion it is not.

yep, let's get a congressman to jump on the pavc bandwagon, you take a pump/dump out of canada like jphc, merge them with the apoa gang known for failed business ventures, company name changes and symbol changes, marry the 2 together in to a pump play to .30+ called paiv, dump to .06, rs at 1-200, change symbols again to pavc, tank some more to .008 presplit, yep, congress is going to champion this one, take the glasses off people, it's over, sheesh.

aetheum, part of the plan, it's called the freeze in a pump/dump play, every one blames the other guy, and zero progress is made, and when you have a ta that has so few employees trying to handle numerous otc's and pinkies playing the same game, with the same ta, you have to wonder if it is all part of the scam, and in my opinion the answer is yes.

im a survivor, your post has to be the most hypocritical post i have ever read, nope, not hypocritical just plain b.s., so your strategy is that you are the good cop and i'm the bad cop, fine, i sure didn't see you posting all day long helping folks protect profit on the last day of the pump, i received a couple of dozen emails from r/b individuals who thanked me for explaining to them why they should sell at anything above .22, some fought it but i felt obligated to post all day long explaining the pump play to them and i couldn't be happier that so many sold at the levels they did, i explained who they were dealing with, the pump/dump specialist from canada named the jphc boys, merge them with a company that changed names, symbols and business models, ie, apoa, more often then i have said pump/dump and i knew you had disaster waiting to happen, and to say that i am happy that people lost money, another joke of a statement from you, i was happy for the people that did not let greed get in the way from making a nice profit, a lot of retailers won on this one, it's the stubborn, rose colored glass gang that i am keeping an eye on so they don't start pumping to try to talk newbies and the naive in to buying stock in apoa/paiv/pavc, oops, can't keep the name and symbol changes straight, just how the execs of pavc want it, all imo.

i will be on a little holiday until tuesday, so i better not see any pumping going on or i will come bach with a vengence, now everyone go have a good day.

someplay, i have direct experience with an amex position that was in hot water with amex, i compliance plan was put together that both parties agreed to and the delisting was avoided, the inference was that the amex would keep very close tabs.

your comments have motive written all over them, way to be objective, pathetic attempt.

c'mon serf, i have 2 posts left, you must admit i have painted a compelling picture regarding a possible pump/dump scenario that insiders of jphc and apoa may be involved, plus to pull it off, the ta i think must have been involved as well, all in my opinion.

tonights post by a couple of the longs was very enlightening, why you may ask, well, i think the puzzle is coming together nicely for them, and complete capitulation is right around the corner imo, but not quite, there is still resistance for some to blame pavc, they would rather blame everyone else, go figure, human nature, i just don't get it, you put 2 companies with very jaded pasts, with several name changes, several symbol changes, several business model changes and at least on jphc's part, several rs's and at least one for pavc, put this all together and how anyone can come up with a legitimate entity called pavc is beyond my comprehension.

serf, just one more thing for now, paiv could have requested a halt as soon a they thought there was a problem, and if the request was not granted which i would doubt, since halts happen every day in far less crucial situations, so why did paiv not immediately put out a pr saying what transpired, well because that is not what you do in the dump phase, they just sat back and did nothing, i wonder why, no communication whatsoever from .30+ to .06, and then an 1:200 rs, a couple days later, shameful and you still want to blame every one, except the paiv execs for this fiasco, all in my opinion

serf, c'mon, you give me way to much credit, i told you why i am here, i'm sick and tired of the naive and newbies who find it difficult to do their dd on companies like pavc who rs and changes symbols, etc. etc. and yep, with my 15 total posts i'm spamming this board, think about what you are saying, and with basically zero volume what you have said makes no sense.

serf, or this is part of the dump phase where all communication dries up on purpose, to shake the weak hands so it can drop to the subpennies. imo

c'mon you guys, would you start thinking logically, the dilution came from somewhere and what makes more sense, ameritrade, etrade or what ever broker you want to make the bad guy, in a major conspiracy with hundreds or thousands of retail investors, flooded the market with restricted shares, or, maybe the brokers are just idiots and messed up in a major way, (doubtful) or the plan from the beginning was for the jphc boys and the apoa boys to receive or get their shares unrestricted so they could sell on the dump after they sold on the last 50% of the pump, let me go one step further, look at the reputation of the companies you are dealing with, especially jphc and their on going pump and dumps over the yrs. and who knows what games apoa was playing over the yrs, but changing names and business models as much as they did, who knows, i would say jphc and apoa are more suspect, throw in a couple of corrupt mm's and a ta, who seems to have found a nice niche as the short squeeze knight in shining armour who were willing to play in to the dump and you have a very common occurrance on the otc and pinks. oh, one more thing, this same scam has been played many, many times on the unsuspecting retail investor, do some dd on ckcm, they are the pinkie case study, all imo

rj, you may be right but not until the subpennies, just like before, with plays like this history tends to repeat imo

tiger, why even tell me about it, just do it, i just know when you put a company with a jaded past like apoa together with a compnay with a very jaded past like jphc this is what you get, and the saddest thing is some of you are surprised, let me summarize,

apoa has had several name changes, symbol changes and business model changes in their history and you put them together with a pinkie, jphc out of canada, that in itself should have been your first stop point to say something is strange, then add on top of that jphc name changes, symbol changes, rs and business model changes and i would have said, hmmm, these two companies coming together to form paiv, may not be cracked up to be what i thought, maybe i should be careful and make sure i sell on an uptick and not hold in to a death spiral.



and by the way, give me the number of the sec agent you are talking with, i would like to fill her in on my opinions regarding a lot of things and i may even be able to paint the picture a little clearer to her on what the problem is with controls regarding publically traded companies especially otc's and pinks and amex, which believe or not is worse then the otc when it comes to manipulation, and one other point you may want to let her know, imo the naked short problems were primarily caused by the sec trying to cover their you know what, remember boys and girls, this is all my opinion, now have a good day.

dallas, well said, the only problem, is that no one would buy paiv restricted, it's an otc with a suspect past, so for you to say that you would not be surprised if hawkins and eddie boy are no longer share holders and allude to the possibility that they sold their restricted to anyone is not probable, like you said, you have a lot of experience trading, but this scam sure has caught you by surprise in my opinion.

im, i have stated my motive many times, i am here to give newbies and naive traders a heads up with what they are dealing with if they invest in this supposed scam, i do not want any one to get burned like the naive bagholders who are trapped with a basis cost of .20 to .30 cents a share based on the pumps heard loud and clear on this board, like a short squeeze that many of the board members have toughted, not saying that in the future you can't make money with pavc, which will probably change it's name and symbol again, but to make money, you have to wait until this is in the subpennies again, imo

arg, i would like my apology, that is what i have been saying from day one but no, you guys with rather attack me then be opened minded, the amazing thing that i see from a few of you now is that once you take off the glasses things become clearer, and please don't be foolish and think that this was not part of the original play, it was a set up from day one, my guess is that jphc went hunting for a company like apo who was basically trying to survive playing there own games with name changes, business model changes, dilution, etc. and went hey, here's the play and you guys can walk away rich if yo let us run the pump and dump, well maybe i'm not the bad guy and look at how this is playing out now that people like serf are digging deeper, now where's my apology, remember this is all my opinion and there is a slight chance that i could be wrong.

serf, so you agree that it could have been the jphc boys = insiders who may have ended up with tradeable shares, and that there may be some major dilution involved, after all the feces i had to take, you finally agree, lol, you seem like a good guy, why do you spend so much time monitoring this board for such a small stake in a company, just curious.

yea where are those round up shares and yea where are the tradeable shares and yea why can't you buy this stock on the open market according to some posters, yea, legit company????not, imo

dallas, you say you are very experienced, i would assume that means you did your dd, if so, how did you miss the fact that jphc, with a very jaded history of name changes, rs's, symbol changes, and several business modality changes merged with another entity call apoa, with numerous symbol changes, name changes, and business modality changes, and not expect to get caught in a mess. on top of all that, do you truelly believe that the powers to be are going to let a short squeeze happen, that is not how the otc/pinkies and for that matter amex work, the naked shorts, almost always cover at the sp they want, the mm's/manipulators are always in control in the long run, it's how the game is played, do you know how many otc's are complaining about the same thing, it's the scam of 06, and it started with the infamous ckcm and they have been banned from trading for well over a yr and longs still think they will see a huge return because some folks speculate that the sec is going to cave, it's not going to happen, the powers to be can't let it. now to be fair and balanced there is one scenario that a legitimate company is using that is caught in the huge naked short, and it may just work.

dead end after dead end after dead end, what's next, just the typical dump and freeze, amazing, and this is a legit company, yea right, imo

you guys are starting to crack me up, get real, prove it, you want direct proof, dude, i'm not an insider all i can tell you is if it smells like feces it probably is, and man does this stink, it is a classic pump and dump modality, but you know i could be wrong and apoa/jphc/paiv/pavc and what ever name changes and symbol changes come in the future they all could be legit, but i highly doubt it, lol, now run along sonny and maybe when you take your rose colored glasses off, you may become a good trader, greed and stubborness are not good characteristics though.

mrdale, pt taken and i agree to a degree but for newbies your words should ring loud and clear.

tiger, i would luv to hear from the execs, i would like to ask them just a few questions and then let's go to court,

1. why would a supposed reputable company merge with a canadian pinkie pump and dump like jphc;

2. why does a supposed reputable company like apoa, change it's name, symbol and business model several times in the past few yrs

3. how does a supposed reputable company's stock go from .001 to .30+ and come crashing down to .06 in a matter of days

4. how does a supposed reputable company justify doing a 1:200 rs and within days end up down to .01

5. how does a supposed reputable company not communicate to it's share holders why they can't get their shares converted to tradeable pavc

6. how does a supposed reputable company let volume decline to basically zero during the dump freeze

remember boys this is all my opinion but pavc bring it on, maybe a class action should be started, unfortunately i could not be the lead plaintif since i sold way prior to the dump, and remember boys and girls this is all my opinion, and do me a favor a continue to send these posts to the pavc boys, i hope to hear from them, give it a rest, your scare tactics won't work with me because the truth is on my side, now go have a nice day.

capitulation is really starting to sink in for some of the longs and bagholders, every thing is starting to get clearer and clearer every time a dead end is reached, such as:

1. can't get tradeable shares
2. no volume
3. blame game between ta and brokers
4. sp at .01 presplit, down 90% from highs
5. rs at 1:200
6. no info coming from company
7. several name changes, symbol changes, rs's for both apoa and jphc
8. ta very small operation
9. etc. etc.

oh well, that's how you learn, when you guys leave this board and invest in another otc/pinkie with a very jaded past, just do me two favors:

a) never, ever buy in to the pump;
2) don't get greedy, sell way before the top so you don't get stuck in the dump.

this is my opinion, have a great day!!!!!

now that my friend nuk, the assistant moderator has ticked me off, i need to ask/answer one more question, drum role please, is it not interesting that a merger from a company last named apoa which has changed it name and symbol numerous times in the past few yrs merges with a pinkie named jphc that has changed it's name and symbol several times and has rs at least 3 times in the last 3 yrs or so, comes together to form a new company and does it really surprise any one that shortly after the new entity is formed called paiv the following happens, now nuk, dispute these facts, and have a good nite.

1. apoa merges with a pump/dump pinkie stock called jphc run out of canada to become paiv

2. paiv runs up from .001 to .30+ on a supposed short squeeze, lol, which in reality was actually part of the pump

3. within a couple of days sp of paiv tanks to .06, the dump

4. paiv announces a rs at 1:200 and becomes pavc

5. pavc tanks some more to presplit of about .01, ouch

6. volume basically dries up to zero, again part of the dump, its called the freeze, dry up all news

7. shares take weeks to convert to tradeable pavc

8. let me add one more, the ta is a small company with 2-5 employees trying to reconcile not only the apoa/jphc/paiv/pavc shares but numerous other pinkies that are crying naked shorts as well.

my opinion says pump/dump and i would say that the facts stated above support my theory, lol

serf, i played the pump/dump for a 3700% gain, i have no clue what you did, sorry that i did not make that clear enough for you.

nukuhiva, have at it, this is one situation i would not mind stepping in to, i have plenty of info on jphc and also apoa, but also keep in mind i have a right to my opinion, and let the truth come out, these guys are hiding a lot of dirt some where and also, follow the money, and to me it leads right to the people who were involved in a 1:200 rs right after a fifty bagger, all in my opinion.

serf, i'm running out of posts, and you read my post wrong, all i asked was a very simple question, your trading history on this position, i'm not calling you or arg a pumper/dumper, i was just curious, i have told how i played this and was just asking for the same in return, that was the only intention, and i want to go back to one strike, lol, and by the way, you need to have arg back off as well, you have been resonably fair but don't lose objectivity and that goes for your assistants, since i have so few posts left, let me add, wow, you spend this much time for the stake you have in pavc, can i ask why, seems like a huge waste of your time, just curious, remember ump, you need to change that last strike to a ball, imo

serf, now you are starting to put the pieces together imo, numerous parties were in on the pump, including the mm's, when i say insiders i primarily mean the jphc execs, what i think transpired is that the jphc execs received shares that some time shortly after the merger were unrestricted by paiv, per the 144 loophole, this was part of the deal imo from the beginning, think about it, how much cash did jphc receive for a supposed 12 million dollar solid revenue generator called, maco?, anyway, next, the rumor comes out regarding the short squeeze, the jphc boys start the pump by working with the mm's to buy on any down tick to keep the momo going, let the rumor mill take over regarding a huge short squeeze and you have the makings of a good pump, any down tick and the mm buys to keep the momo going, that is why they call it a pump, not just verbally pumping but pumping money in to keep the retailers buying, the sp explodes and the mm's working with the manipulators, jphc execs, sell in to the top half of the rally and all the way down to .06, the way i came up with the millions i did in profit was buy taking the volume and calculating that the insiders, again primarily the jphc boys, received 50% of the dollars generated on the way up and the way down, retail caught the other 50% on the way up. knowing jphc like i do, and then finding out that apoa has had numerous name changes, symbol changes and numerous business models, ie, voip, internet gigs, financiers, third party medical sales, etc., i thought this was ripe for a huge pump/dump which at this point in time seems to be the case, and these guys have balz, calling a rs at 200:1 right after a 50 bagger, wow, and know the freeze, i wouldn't be surprised if this sits dormant for quite some time until the heat cools, a 50 bagger is huge, they can sit back for a long time and figure out their next move, also, do some dd on the infamous knight on the white horse, ie, the ta, start with how many companies he is the ta for and also, the number of employees he has trying to reconcile not only pavc/paiv/apoa/jphc shares but a bunch of other pink sheets companies that are screaming about naked shorts as well, they are part of the play as well, rember boys and girls this is all just my humble opinion.

fuge, you do realize that it is extremely easy for them to increase a.s., and they set the table for that to happen in their 10Q.

serf, poor, poor tcr, sheesh, played the pump/dump for 3700% gain and got out on the up tick, now let's see if you will be honest here, how many shares did you sell and how many are you currently holding the bag on, arg, why not do the same, both you guys need to be honest, how do you feel about the newbies and naive who bought in at the highs, because they believed the pumper mantra of short squeeze, and now are trapped with untradeable shares and a loss of 90%, you feel ok with that, or is it, that reality is setting in that the dump is in the 3rd phase down to pennies and then the 4th phase to subpennies, imo

tiger, for your info, you would be very surprised what the comopany mantra was at the time, the ameritrade rep told me that about a dozen accounts were affected and i figured a few million per account, that's how i came up with 40 million.

arg, i do have an agenda, to offer a balanced analysis of a likely pump/dump operation, the newbies and naive investor should hear both sides, don't you think,

1. apoa merges with a pump/dump pinkie stock called jphc run out of canada to become paiv

2. paiv runs up from .001 to .30+ on a supposed short squeeze, lol, which in reality was actually part of the pump

3. within a couple of days sp of paiv tanks to .06, the dump

4. paiv announces a rs at 1:200 and becomes pavc

5. pavc tanks some more to presplit of about .01, ouch

6. volume basically dries up to zero, again part of the dump, its called the freeze, dry up all news

7. shares take weeks to convert to tradeable pavc

8. i could go on and on, let me add one more for the road,
jphc had at least 3 rs in two yrs and 3or4 name changes and you think this is all legit

my opinion says pump/dump and i would say that the facts stated above support my theory, lol

serf, i asked a specific question, prove to me thru documentation that 2.7 billion restricted shares of jphc were transferred to paiv and released for sale, the information that i was able to come up with thru conversation with ameritrade is the mistake was more like 30 or 40 million according to the rep, for what it's worth, so you are speculating just like the short squeeze pumpers are doing, and you are telling me not to speculate, sheesh

serf, can you provide me with the document that shows 2.7 billion restricted were sold by ameritrade, thx