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Yada yada yada....
s'all I got..
What's your question?
I was almost finished with a reluctantly made reply but my phone ate it before I could and I don't know if I have the heart to rewrite it so for now I don't. Too bad it was a bonafide certified boomshakalaka.
Wow looks like all that "good news", esp the most recent news about getting into another discovery phase, has really set us ablaze! You can see it in the chart for the last 3 mos or 1 month and especially today! Go vplm!
Insider trading is not illegal
I don't blame you for APOLOGIZING for your posts. I, on the other hand would never apologize for saying what I believe and KNOWING it makes sense.
There you go again......taking statement out of context. I believe in said it was just smallish possibility. Just to cover the bases of any possible thing but that one is highly unlikely IF I'm correct that there are no infringers and they would know if they were infringing now wouldn't they?
You're just grabbing at straws
Explain it until you're blue in the face and the cows come home and you'll STILL BE WRONG and not be able to offer a shred of undeniable proof of your so called layers. The truth simply is that a positive outcome for an IPR adds no layers of anything else that the patent did not have the day it was born. Prove or show different. You can't because it doesn't exist except in your mind. Show me a single instance where a voip patent lawyer or a judge states that a positive IPR gives ANYTHING additional to a patent that it didn't already possess. Never happen cuz it doesn't. All in your mind.. Show me legally. Give a real world example. The only thing it does.......is prevent the bad that would be IF vplm lost an IPR. THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT WOULD NO LONGER BE A PATENT.
Layers of what? What is in the layer that wasn't there before?????
What is so hard to understand that you don't have to believe in a company to still know how and be able to trade it to profits? I did so and recouped ALL my paper losses long ago AFTER I decided vplm was a bogus play. There's this theme that runs thru here that you can't trade stock in a company you don't believe in. Why the F not? That's just crazed.
It's ridiculous for you say it doesn't make me look loyal. I told you I was a loyal shareholder and that I kept buying and buying and buying until I couldnt afford anymore. It was right around that same time that I began seeing the holes in vplm's while trip. however, I continued for awhile to keep buying because almost everyone here, including vplm, was saying in no uncertain terms that's sale was imminent AND FOR BIG BUCKS! So even tho I was beginning to waver in my loyalty, I hung in there for her awhile until it became so abundantly clear to me that the company was not what it was selling itself to be PLUS the price started plummeting and I was far underwater on paper. That's the way it was and it's not right for you to keep questioning the truth I tell. In have no need to lie and I have a good memory on the important stuff. You're wasting your time trying to bust my history here.
Duh. Don't you get it? He knows how to make bucks flipping. Doesn't require positive sentiment of company now does it?
Emu has demonstrated numerous times in the past how he conducts business...
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Granville Hotel
Nightclub
A failed vplm for his whole tenure
Selling out now all the zillions of shares and killing the pps
Etc
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Oh boy...
As if it's not bad enough that you twist my words and meanings around to suit yourself, now you are twisting YOUR OWN WORDS AROUND IN ATTEMPT TO BACK PEDAL THE MISDIRECTIONS AND FALLACIOUS CONCLUSIONS I SHOT DOWN...
You are so far off into left field it's not even funny, in comparison to what I have actually tried to convey...
Where to start......?
1st of all you indeed DID try to make my ideas sound foolish. That's exactly what you did and now you try to backpedal. Not gonna happen.. here's what you said and I quote:
"How about a "small infringement lawsuit" against AMAZON where they have an agreement in principle? LOL!
Probably still not enough proof... always moving those goal posts.
Good thing Hudnell and team didn't settle for your little plan suggested below"
You laughed and basically ridiculed the whole idea....
Saying vplm took a different approach and we don't know how my idea would've worked....is more like it but certainly not how you characterized it at 1st.
You then insert all these what it's in and that's nothing more than you attempting to find holes in the idea. Actually, it was a very common sense and logical simple concept. ALL YOUR what ifs, would be true no matter what route they took so they are not the issue. The simple issue is that due to what I spelled out in simple terms for you, but you conveniently ignored, about how so many msg board goers at the time were saying vplm could not endure a fight with these big dog companies and needed to just sell the patents. If you were to look back in the posts, you would find me saying that licencing was the way to go instead but if they insisted in suing, it would make FAR MORE SENSE to sue a small "alleged" infringed that wouldn't be able to bleed vplm dry and had little money to fight back with which hopefully would result in a win which would start the ball rolling in a snowball effect. That is a pretty eloquent idea AFAIC.
And it WAS NOT "Monday morning quarterbacking" as you dismiss it. It's YOU, 10 yrs later, who are doing the MMQ. My idea THEN was current and appropriate to the time.
Lastly your idea about closing off all escape routes is potentially fatally flawed because may enjoy havent been paying much attention, but that depends completely on the patents being all that, while I have said a million times I don't believe they are and that will eventually be shown. So that's a pretty big "escape route" not covered.
boom
More likely, that she just was the emu's pawn....a more than willing one, once she saw the riches it brought her...
And look, it's either a share selling scam or it's not and if it is, I don't see how 5 yrs will bring the ship in. How could it unless it's all for real? The most or best scenario I could see and I wouldn't put it last the Emu....is that some companies might get scared they will have to pay huge damages and so agree to a settlement out of fear. But the reality, it seems, is that they all have told vplm to go pound salt and still say the same. They fight only so they don't lose by default for not fighting back.
Anyway, I gave it another 10 yrs 3 yrs ago so it's now down to 7 but that's how long before it burns out or gets shut down. I've seen it before with TIV.
No that's dumb. How many times must it be explained to you that it doesn't mean anything if they "won" a million IPRs? A favorable IPR outcomes simply and ONLY fends off challengers trying to put an end to vplm's lawsuits. It DOES NOT CHANGE ANYTHING REPEAT DOES NOT CHANGE A THING! When the IPR trial is over it's still the same patents WITH THE EXACT SAME VALIDITY THEY HAD THE DAY THEY WERE ALLOWED AS PATENTS BY THE USPTO! NO MORE NO LESS. NOTHING HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE PATENTS TO MAKE THEM STRONGER OR BETTER. NO CHANGE!
ITS QUITE AMUSING HOW BACK IN THE DAY WHILE THE PATENT PROCECUTIONS WERE ONGOING.....ALL THE PEEPS HERE THAT KEPT HARANGUING ANY DETRACTORS ABOUT HOW HARD WORKING, THOROUGH AND KNOWLEDGEABLE THE USPTO WORKERS WERE AND HOW THEY DIDNT MISS A TRICK. THEY HAD TO STUDY AND APPROVE EA AND EVERY ATTRIBUTE THE PATENTS CLAIMED TO HAVE AND LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED. AND YET........NOW.....EVERY TIME A CHALLENGE IS DENIED, YOU AND A BUNCH OF OTHERS THINK THAT ADDS SOMETHING MORE THAT WASNT THERE FROM THE GITGO.
IT DOES NOT.
You don't mean you actually believe vplm will eventually win DO YOU?
Your wrong about that also. 1st of all, if I hadn't tried at all, I would've never got into vplm in the 1st place and long before there was any talk of patents, if I didnt see positive things or what appeared to be anyway. But ever since they handed us 2-3 yrs worth of blatant lies and then 100% reneged on their promised, then I began to see the holes in the story and the doubts began. But I stayed long and loyal for some more time until there were more holes than fabric and the whole story started to come apart for me. It was a long time tho, before I quit that whole "true long" ridiculous mentality and began trading.
I still kept an open mind though but every move that vplm made and every pr kept closing my mind to any good EXCEPT FOR THE INSIDE. I SEE EVERYTHING IS GOOD FOR INSIDE AND THE SUPPORTING CABAL. PERSONAL ATM AND JUST LOOK AT THE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF SHARES THE EMU, WIFE AND OTHER BOD SELL ALMOST EVERY DAY TURNING THIS INTO A JOKE THAT NO ONE WOULD TOUCH ANYMORE EXCEPT THOSE STILL WILLING TO RISK SLOT TO KEEP TRADING SMALL PRICE FLUCTUATIONS.
And those few and far between spikes like yesterday, last for only a few seconds.
The whole crew was found guilty of breach of fiduciary duty and wrongful personal enrichment by a jury of their peers and that was A TRUE CALL! It was no accident.
Your question sounds all convoluted to me. As usual, it tries to take an excellent idea I had and twist it into something else, attempting to make yourself sound smarter.
1st of all, the "demand" element was just purposely adding a little hyperbole to the post. It was rhetorical. But the base idea was a very good one. It was almost 10 yrs ago when I posted it. At the time, I recall many saying that vplm would not be able to afford prolonged pushback from the bigs. And there were arguments as to whether plan A, sell company, or plan B, start suing, or other plans, were the best route. They didn't seem to be getting anywhere. I knew they had named 60 or so alleged infringers and I did some of my own checking and found there were many more than 60 voip service providers out there and the company was saying that all voip service providers were automatically infringers. So with all that in mind, my suggestion was to begin a lawsuit against a small infringer, one that didn't have zillions of dollars to give and that would 1) make it easier, cheaper and quicker to win in court and 2) that would establish that vplm was for real in the infringement suit pursuit and last but not least, it would get the snowball rolling. Once a lower size case was won, that would open Pandora's box and that would make subsequent suits far easier to get thru and win, like dominoes.
There is no way that's not a good plan as far as I can see. And on the other hand, 10 yrs later, not a damn nickel has been won and contrary to the fairy tale being told that everything has gone like roses for vplm since, thats not what I heard many many longs saying as they finally bailed or have been bitching hollering and complaining about esp in the past year. There were many complaints by those who used to totally trust vplm.
So you can try to turn that idea I had 10 yrs ago into sounding like it was foolish but I'd like to hear a telephony patent lawyer state same for back then.
And the stupid, ignorant, highly disingenuous joke of a claim that vplm is in its best position ever is 100% insult to shareholder support and intelligence. The damn truth of the matter is that way back when......almost 20 yrs ago, when the Digi and vplm peeps were friends and beginning to collaborate on voip ideas and technologies, and vplm was close to .40 per share and they were developing a voip service providing platform and business, THEN AND ONLY THEN, WERE THEY TRULY IN THE BEST POSITION EVER AND IF THEY HAD STUCK TO THEIR PLAN AND PROMISE, TODAY THEY PROBABLY WOULD BE IN THE MIDST OF BEING BROKE UP LIKE BELL TELEPHONE WAS, FOR BEING A WORLDWIDE MONOPOLY AND A REAL TRUE LEADER IN COMMUNICATIONS.
There it is again.....as predicted....... another dump after a large or small spike up. Never fails. Normal operating procedure for VPLM. You can count on it always.
Again, it's not important enough to be an issue, but it's you that isn't following the narrative and in already told you b4, that I don't know what your "VI" refers to and I never said it has anything to do with vplm, per se, but I did remind you of the posts you made that prompted me to mention the 3rd possibility which is zero movement. I don't know what it is that you don't get, but it couldnt be any simpler. Without me reposting the quotes from those posts, basically you made light of a vplm poster who predicted the price would go up or down, because that's obviously not much of a prediction. So after you made your remark, I jumped in to light-heartedly make the point that there's always the possibility of zero movement. To which you replied, trying to tell me you were talking about something else, and something about AMC, etc. But that's not the case. If you go back to the original post, it's very obvious that you made fun of the other guys loose prediction and I told you there was the 3rd possibility. I have no idea what makes you think something THAT simple is not the narrative. It's not important but if you want me to post the quote AGAIN, ok. I guarantee you were talking about vplm at the time, because that's what he was referring to. And even if you thought you were talking about some other stock, it's STILL true that there are 3 possibles, not 2. I'm fine with leaving it alone now unless you want to press it.
And once again, not up or down, like last Friday, you know, the thing you denied even talking about? Your laugh seems to deny the possibility of 0% price movement which happens alot and might be due to MM manipulation...? Not trying to give you a hard time, just making the point that there's 3 possible price movements, not 2. That said, I've been able to successfully predict many times when the price will go down, cuz vplm is so predictable, given it's long term history.
So you actually ARE going out on a limb, since any days trading can always wind up being a wash.
Thankyou for that. Admittedly I'm as bad as it gets at deciphering legal lingo. As best I can tell, it just says more info will be forthcoming, is that correct?
Incidentally, for what it's worth, I did try to find that on my own but came up empty handed. Sometimes I know where to look sometimes not sometimes forget. I'm only on a need to know basis anyways...
Apparently nothing good from court today. Answers will prolly stretch out several weeks or months in genuine vplm style. I try to find anything I find to be genuinely positive about vplm but keep coming up empty handed...
Hey noobies..... Yeah, you who some here seem to think you're not smart enough to go thru the pile and do your own level of DD and then discern what's what.....lolol......oh, and that somehow my posts are stopping you from getting up on your soapbox and saying or asking what you will..... hahaha.......(and incidentally, if anyone asks question and no one else has answered it or I disagree with the answer....OF COURSE I'll put up my best shot at providing an answer. After all, been here and studied here for many yrs).
Anyway, if you think it makes sense, the outlandish explanations you find here on a wholesale basis to justify a 23 yr or a 20 yr (under vplm name) or even just a 10 year name (since becoming patent troll) as to why they have never made a nickel and never sold a single licence or never got a single settlement and never have been able to sell the company or the patents..........all I can say is: BRILLIANT!
So obvious it is......
That no one will commit to whether or not they would buy the company or the patents if they had the money. It was an excellent question because if someone says yes they would, then that would beg the question of why none of the companies who could easily afford to do so, have not....
And if their answer was no, then that would obviously bring on well, then why then should the companies?
It's not a matter of simply "having an answer for everything or anything", it's as valid a question can be for the very reasons I just gave in terms of the questions the answers raise. And that is why no one wants to answer it. It may appear a circular thing to some but that's only when viewed from the standpoint of believing the patents are "all that". When viewed from the standpoint of not believing in the patents being "all that", then it's a good question.
You are CLEARLY full of shit...
I've known that and seen that for a long time due to all the times when you were asked a simple question and either had no answer or gave a nonsense answer that didn't apply. Also how you often feel you have to hide behind PM's. I always say what I have to say public as I have nothing to hide. Some other reasons and clear inconsistencies you embody are:
You have played both ends against the middle here so many times it's amusing. For ex, you have, depending on who you are talking to, both praised the emu and went negative about him. You've done that many times which at 1st is confusing but after awhile, one realizes it's you who are confused OR you simply say what suits you best at the moment depending on who your communicating with. Very telling that is.
You state:
"Hey NYT have you figured out if your for or against VPLM’s possible future success?"
That is about as dumb as it gets because I have clearly and consistently stated what my sentiments are about vplm so many times and never wavering in the slightest, that for you to ask that question shows either a major lack of comprehension OR you actually DO know where I stand but CHOOSE to ignore it for the purposes of your post, most likely because of how many times I've told you your words are confused or asked you to better explain what you mean and you almost 100% never do so.
Then recently, like in the last day or 2, I expressed disagreement with you on something not super important so this is childish retaliation I suppose. Again, I've not only made my feelings about vplm and it's managers and associates CRYSTAL CLEAR a 100x if I have once AND did so again in the last 24 hrs or so right here. So that fact proves your silly question is not genuine and you simply don't like the idea of someone disagreeing with you because you have always put up this kind of facade here where you try to project your alleged personal knowledge about the inner workings of the company AND....you also have always hidden behind that "we" thingy you ALWAYS use INSTEAD of just speaking for YOURSELF, which is a transparent copout. I highly doubt that your alleged group ever ELECTED you as their spokesman. If they did, they should and would at least occasionally speak up for no themselves. All you do is hide behind that imaginary (or real) group. You have said so many off the wall things, that I just don't see them as having elected you their spokesman... Furthermore, your replies that are allegedly the way they feel also, the way you word your posts around that "we" stuff, is always too quick of a reply or comment about something, where you could nof have checked in with your alleged "group" in order to get their opinions and ok, for you to thenncome on this board and speak for them, therefore the whole idea is a BOGUS one imo.
Then you continue with:
"The amount of time you waste on this... ...."
I can see you don't get it, but FYI, it is I and I alone....who decides if I'm wasting my time or not. And if I felt I was, I wouldn't be here posting. You're entitled to your opinion but happily, you don't dictate to me if I'm wasting my time or not. AND...if you truly thought that you would have some sort of effect on me by telling me I'm wasting my time, that only reveals MORE of you silly misunderstanding and/conclusions. You actually sound like you believe that! Fully ridiculous. Doesnt work that way. Of course not.
Then you go to:
"You don’t actually don’t know what has happened with this company it’s only your own speculation"
Duh. Every post you've made here always hides behind that "in our opinion". Don't look now bud, but opinions are the same as speculations. I have openly stated many times that I either using opinion or speculation or documented facts. Additionally, I have carefully read everything I could uncover about vplm from it's very beginnings in 1998 and have documents going back to that time that I've never even posted plus I've read the entire msg board from the beginning and much of it more than once and I've also spoken to some ppl involved early on, so your "conjecture" that I don't know anything about this company is as ridiculous and fallacious as it gets. No one knows everything about the company or anything else for that matter, but I have read everything there is to read and done much DD and you know that which makes your comment even that much more ignorant. Let's see what else....
"so why don’t you just leave us all alone and keep your negativity & crap to your self..."
Hey keep, look up, look down, see my thumb....gee your dumb... If life hasn't yet taught you that you cannot dictate to others, how to run their life or what to say or not say or to leave or stay, that's bad.To not have learned that would indicate a serious learning disability IN MY SPECULATIVE OPINION. I mean talk about WASTING YOUR TIME, lolololol.
And....
"so new investors or possibly new investors may have a chance to make their own opinion..."
Does you lack of knowledge and reason have no bounds???
Obviously any member has the right and the ability to post whatever they want whenever they want and mine or anyone else's posts have no bearing on that at all. A completey ludicrous statement.
Finally:
"Take a grip man"??? Truly laughing out loud. The phrase is "get a grip". I suggest you do so but like my feelings about vplm and it's future, in terms of "the big sale", licenses and/or big settlements.........
Ain't gonna happen and the fact that pretty close to every prediction I've ever made here, has come to pass, shows my take on it is well founded. And I'm not talking about the quite familiar lying posts that purport me as having said this that or the other which are nothing but cheap lies by ppl with zero integrity. Better yet, would be to use actually quotes taken from from the record.
I suggest you just now just let it go as you said your peace and me mine, because after that thinly sliced baloney not worth buying, I have nothing else to say so if you need to talk to yourself be my guest. You ALREADY KNOW WITHOUT ANY DOUBT THAT YOU HAVE NOT AFFECTED MY FUTURE POSTING SO GO AHEAD and waste your time if you choose.
I choose to post about the company not about you or other posters after I make a post to defend myself.
A hell of a lot of ppl predicted a hell of a lot more than .50 many times on this board. They used to always predict in the dollars, like $1, $2, $5 and even more sometimes. Heck, the emu himself said the minimum would be at least $1. Not positive if he later upped that to $2. As the years go by with zippo, the goalposts move fwd accordingly. Anyway, vplm has never seen 50 cents in it's 23 yr life and likely never will which sucks for me.
Not that it's important.....but who is "VI"? That's not who you originally responded to. What I saw was someone saying they had predicted the pps would go up or down this week to which you responded making fun of that, which is understandable with you laughing that it has to go up or down, and my response was it can also go sideways like the previous vplm session last Friday. You clearly responded to someone not VI and his comment was clearly about vplm as was yours. The amc comment came after. Not important but that's what I meant.
You 4got sideways like the previous session. Don't worry, 2morrow it'll go back down where it belongs again.
See, you havta understand "the process".......
The vplm process:
Almost 20 yrs ago pps was close to .40...........
Fast fwd to 2day:
Tad over 2 and a half cents
That is the progress of the process....
jus sayin
I know, I know, facts such as that are INCONSEQUENTIAL and NON PERTINENT and HAVE NO BEARING.... lololololololol
Breaking news...
A small tremor of 3.6 on the trickster scale was felt this morn in Vancouver. It was centered under a pizza booth in a local restaurant. It lasted .0001 seconds. There has been no aftershocks.
This just in!
The Amazon agreement was agree to disagree. Too funny
Man o man.... A settlement with Amazon and now discovery phase with another defendant.........zowie......gives new meaning to "Best POS ever" and "Patience is a virtue".
So glad I LISTENED ..........and knew what to do, lol
Look!......up in the chart....
Is it a bird......is it a plane?
No, it's.....it's......just the boy who cried wolf syndrome again...bummmmer
Wowie!.....it's going like a rocket! It might have orbital velocity......look at er go-ooo!
But wait...... what'd happening?..........it's.....it's .....it's going the wrong way! No....no.....don't do that. What's smatter wit you? Don't you know it's super Tuesday and we're entering discovery phase? Did someone forget to put the hydrazine in.......no, no, please no....
Omg........look.......can't believe it.......3 whole cents..
I'm getting vertigo
Let's see what we got here on super Tuesday.....
Ok, there's the usual and expected spike that lasts for a split second then of course the immediate fallback to where it was and then struggling to go back up but.....it thinks it can.....it thinks it can.......it thinks it can.....
Lol.......um, where do you get the "danish" component from, pray tell?
The alleged idea...goes like this...
A long time ago, the company was supposed to be a voip service provider...
Oh, yeah...and they also sold magic jacks...
None of that worked out and they bought the original voip enhancement patents pending...
Then for several years they told shareholders and the rest of the world that they had the future of voip communications, ie, the patents...and would forthwith integrate the technology into their alleged voip service provider platform, transforming vplm into the king of the hill in voip and would also immediately begin collecting as much as $100 million per year in royalties. Needless to say, this garnered a large number of shareholders and share sales and then...........BOOM.........no rhyme......no reason......no notifications.....no shareholder input.........simply kaboom, forget everything we told you and promised you for the last 2 to 3 yrs.......and now.....with zero fanfare and aplomb.....guess what....yup, now we are the new poster child of patent trolls and we will sell licences and sell the patents and later on we'll let you know we're gonna start suing for infringement because the reality is that we can't sell the patents as no one wants them.
Fast fwd 10 yrs after nonstop OS huge increases and nonstop dilution and nonstop talk of winning in court and nonstop lack a anything solid to happen that produced and money for retail shareholders......BUT........ definitely a personal insider ATM was achieved and now nonstop insider selling is achieved.......as well as nonstop 2 cent avg pps (except for a couple short lived big spike ups congruent with positive IPR outcomes (lol, 28x now) that "true longs" have for many yrs been convinced that really means something and really gives major value to the non sellable patents, which in the real world, it doesn't, plus lots of paid and unpaid pumping from various groups including vplm directly, yrs ago.
Oh, and there's been a handful of infringement cases filed and so far half of them have been dismissed and the rest to come which many hang on to the dream "yay, our day in court is all we ask for", but all that comes to, is more and more monkey wrenches for years and years. Meanwhile, no sales, no licences, no settlements, no partnerships, no prospects, no nothing except more and more promises for "next week"...."next month"..."end of year"..."next year", so on and so forth AND......blame on everyone, ie, judges, the govt, the patent process, Congress, the PTAB, bottomless pockets of the big dog defendants (even tho vplm has never not been able to raise zillions of dollars to pay for everything and to pay the cabal that supports them (with free shares they keep "printing".
Bottom line is no one hopes I'm wrong more than myself since I hold shares for a long time (after locking in to the black forever) but my approx 13 yr study of the company and all the dots I've connected tell me the ship will never come in as far as the many many $billions the company has made it quite clear that the patents are worth AND that every voip service provider on the planet (as well as the users) are infringers.
The patents were created almost 20 yrs ago and have never made a nickel EXCEPT that the STORY has sold kabilions of shares to take care of the insiders and the cabal.
That's it in a peapod
Another big bust......ooops......I mean big day tomorrow!
Big DISCOVERY
excited?......I am!
Vplm been beddy beddy gud 2me
Luv long time...