I dont think this board has any effect on the share price there are far greater forces at play for and against.
So I cant imagine anyone making the effort to create aliases and invent glowing price comparisons thinking it would make any difference that way.
The point for me is to exchange information with others and share the success.
We have a lot of new boardmarks here and on the other boards covering the Ag sector and I look forward to more of the new people coming forward with their thoughts and opinions.
No offence taken tbv and enjoy your input as always.
As for the current share price I think the majority of the trades are going into stronger hands.

That was announced in August http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22041548

Website http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=22041568

Uralkali is using them http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=23175598
MagMinerals is using them http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=24711278

You should pay better attention to your board John :)

You touched on a key point here... though if KCL decided to just count there best portions of their deposit I would imagine KCL would have a similar grade and still double up API’s resource easily right now ...as the 3D seismic underway and the follow up drilling will be targeting a suitable cavern (solution mining location) for a pilot plant.

Seeing green in cleantech - Wendy Tanaka

Cleantech investing reached critical mass this year , based on the dollars dumped into such companies by venture capital investors.

Venture investment in North American and European cleantech companies for the first three quarters rose to US$3.6 billion--up 28% in contrast to the same period a year ago, according to Cleantech Group, a research firm in Brighton, Mich. The organization estimates that venture investments in China, another hotbed of cleantech innovation, will reach US$580 million for all of 2007, up 38% from 2006 investments.

And given that many venture investors hope to see their bets pay off in roughly five years' time, those investments should be strong clues about what companies bear watching over the next few years.

As environmental concerns grow worldwide, investors have been steadily investing in the sector for the past decade, says Ron Pernick, author of The Cleantech Revolution. He estimates that less than 1% of total venture capital investment went to cleantech in 1999; this year, investment could exceed 10%.

Of course, it's not just about saving the environment. Investors are hoping for huge returns. But to make a dent in energy markets, even young companies need scale, requiring investors to plow enormous sums in often fledgling businesses. Recycled Energy Development of Westmont, Ill., raised an eye-popping US$500 million this year--the biggest investment so far in 2007, according to Cleantech Group. Others such as Brazilian Renewable Energy, Spain's Isofoton and Palo Alto, Calif.-based Project Better Place raised about US$200 million apiece.

Industry experts say cleantech investment amounts typically far exceed those for software or Web 2.0 companies because cleantech companies are more labour and capital intensive. These companies often need to build factories and buy expensive industrial equipment to produce environment-friendly electricity, gasoline and other types of power.

Software and Web 2.0 companies, by contrast, can be bootstrapped with more modest funds and less overhead. The main investment is a computer. "The financial instruments for the high-tech market cycle don't work as well in cleantech," says Cleantech Group Managing Partner John Balbach. "The typical venture pattern in high-tech was that you put US$25 million to US$30 million tops in a company. In cleantech, Series A [funding] might be US$5 million; Series B might be US$50 million." And it's not uncommon for cleantech companies to raise several more rounds of funding.

The payout for cleantech investments so far have been stock market pops. Demonstrating consistent revenue growth and profits takes most such companies five to eight years, says Stephan Dolezalek, a managing director at VantagePoint Venture Partners.

"Cleantech investing is mostly large in scale, large in risk and large in potential rewards," Dolezalek says. "If you're investing hundreds of millions for an outcome that can be billions, [the investment is] not out of balance."

The relative flood of money flowing into cleantech has also drawn investors and executives from diverse high-tech fields looking for opportunities. This has caused some industry experts to question whether investors and executives really understand what they're getting into.

Dolezalek is sceptical of investors who lack the right background. "You certainly can't take somebody who was an Internet investor and go after all of cleantech," he says.

Samir Kaul, a founding general partner at Khosla Ventures, one of the premier cleantech venture firms, says investors likely will have done their homework out of necessity. "As you build more and more companies, your bar for investing continues to rise and rise" because investors can't spend a lot of time on marginal business, he says.

Still, the odds of making it in cleantech might be tougher than other areas of tech. "I don't think you're going to see as many successful companies in cleantech compared with Internet and software," Dolezalek says. "In cleantech, you might see a half-dozen successful solar companies. The lowest cost provider wins. You don't need as many flavours of energy they way you need flavours of Internet."

Thanks for the number crunching lowpdop, as has been pointed out these numbers dont account for production costs.
However they continue ( I started doing these type of comparisons in April #msg-18999459 ) to be so out of whack
there is no way the market is getting the whole story here - yet.

No new bs potash companies yet though, lets see what posers 2008 brings.

John actually suggested that months ago.

Ya just a rough calc I threw together but good point, thanks.
What do you figure they should be valued at relatively?

All depends look at Athabasca already over $7 http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=25617638
Only significant difference I can find is Athabasca has five recent drill holes and is held tighter (for now).

Athabasca inferred resource of 73.4M tonnes 25% KCl = 18.35M tonnes
24.5M shares at $7.65 = $187M/18.35Mt = $10.2M/tonne KCl

Potash One inferred of 360M tonnes 19% KCl = 68.4M tonnes
market cap 31 million shares at $4.07 = $126M/68.4Mt = $1.84M/tonne KCl

Potash One pps on par per tonne of KCl with Athabasca 10.2/1.84 = 5.54 * $4.07 = $22.55

http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=25621312

already broke your mold Ed lol

ya thanks for posting it John

I think your observations are correct, lets reconvene at $20 and have this discussion again :)

In any case I will be keeping one share cert for the wall.

meaning? more shipping available?

sounds like a correction was in order...

One of the biggest operators in the booming dry bulk shipping market has warned that conditions where charter rates for ships have nearly tripled in a year,
were “insane” and “unsustainable”.

Very clearly none would be left at $20/share believing that to be its full potential.
However if the case can be made for a potential of $200/share (or even say $50) then there will be many willing to bet $20.
If you had asked how many would be left at $4.50 back when I first discovered ISX what would the answer have been?

Johnny Cash - In My Life

great vibe Susan! :)

Well you done done me and you bet I felt it
I tried to be chill but you're so hot that I melted
I fell right through the cracks
and now I'm trying to get back
Before the cool done run out
I'll be giving it my bestest
Nothing's going to stop me but divine intervention
I reckon it's again my turn to win some or learn some

I won't hesitate no more, no more
It cannot wait, I'm yours

Well open up your mind and see like me
Open up your plans and damn you're free
Look into your heart and you'll find love love love
Listen to the music of the moment maybe sing with me
i love peaceful melody
It's your God-forsaken right to be loved love loved love loved

So I won't hesitate no more, no more
It cannot wait I'm sure
There's no need to complicate
Our time is short
This is our fate, I'm yours

I've been spending way too long checking my tongue in the mirror
And bending over backwards just to try to see it clearer
My breath fogged up the glass
And so I drew a new face and laughed
I guess what i'ma saying is there ain't no better reason
To rid yourself of vanity and just go with the seasons
It's what we aim to do
Our name is our virtue

I won't hesitate no more, no more
It cannot wait I'm sure
There's no need to complicate
Our time is short
this is our fate, I'm yours

Well no no, well open up your mind and see like me
Open up your plans and damn you're free
Look into your heart and you'll find the sky is yours
Listen to the music of the moment come and dance with me
A lá one big family (2nd time: A lá happy family; 3rd time: A lá peaceful melody)
It's your God-forsaken right to be loved love love love

I won't hesitate no more, no more
It cannot wait, I'm sure
There's no need to complicate
Our time is short
This is our fate, I'm yours

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no more, no more
It cannot wait
The sky is your's!

Call for 50 bagger by seasoned geologist... http://siliconinvestor.advfn.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=24167372

To: pocotrader who wrote (101956) 12/28/2007 2:49:30 PM
From: E. Charters Read Replies (2) of 101978

Potash Corp retails for 143 a share. It has about 316 million ?shares out. It's KCL business is 55% of its total business. KCL accounts for perhaps 600 million per year margin. KCL here = potassium chloride.

I guess the market would be Asia which is growing so it is assured. Belarus supplies Asia as well, and its prices are rising.

Potash Corp struggled initially due to poly wars between US-Canada and the government takeover in 1974. (Commies in Kanada, see the NDP). We don't anticipate this sort of crap now.

So potential market cap for KCL (the company = Potashone) could be comparable to PC. About 30 billion. You could subtract the price to develop. Which would be about 1 billion, creating a dilution of 200% or more.

In that case, the shares price would 10 bill/KCL (the company) shares out. = $400.00 per share.

I would cut that in two, as they have to develop overseas markets. Markets in Europe and US are probably saturated.

EC<:-}

KCLOF

Strong open, still have anonymous releasing shares though.

Good stuff, must have caught them off guard when it blew through that $65 price target.

Thanks Susan.

Well congrats on NOG just the same. I meant to join you guys but always seemed to be distracted.

What a day, what a year!

Way to go Potash One!

Looking like a perfect storm, new money looking for Potash, not many choices - yet.

Having fun Ed? lmao

yup API is the crystal ball for KCL

How about an empty one to put all this green stuff into.

Looks as if the private placement effect is behind us.

Claymore Global Ag ETF is COW.TO tsx

maybe Doug Casey?

Energy Speculator refreshes Cash Minerals buy

2007-12-24 10:33 MT - In the News

The Energy Speculator in its Dec. 17, 2007, issue, refreshes its buy of Cash Minerals Ltd. at 32 cents. The newsletter or predecessor International Speculator said buy three times between Jan. 2, 2004, and Oct. 15, 2007, at prices ranging from 23.5 cents and 62 cents. An investment of $1,000 for each of the three buys is worth $2,867. The Speculator's writer checks over the press releases and notes a statement disclosing litigation with Archer Cathro, a Yukon mineral consultant. Archer claims $395,000 plus interest for work it claims to have done for the company. The writer phoned Cash president Basil Botha to get the company's side of the story. The Speculator quotes Mr. Botha as saying, "The onus is on Arch Cather to prove his claim and we will defend." The writer figures that with both sides firm in their positions, the matter will wind up in court. That may be the only fly in the Cash ointment. Besides the lawsuit, everything is going well for the explorer. The writer figures the company has interesting projects and that it is a great buy at these prices. Expect lots of results in 2008, he adds.

MOO COW DBA

lmao ETRADE feeling no pain ...yet! Merry Christmas Thomas et all.

Merry Christmas down under Aaron!

I will second that! Merry Christmas!

Turned it down and bought more KCL instead duh mind you that was below $2 but still

Welcome to KCL, good day so far.

Just let it go!!!

Here are all the trades for V: KCL on 12/ 24/2007.
87 Records Returned

Trades
Exchange Date Price Change Volume Buyer Seller Markers
V 2007-12-24 10:31:22 3.04 0.07 3,400 2 RBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:29:45 3.04 0.07 1,600 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:29:45 3.04 0.07 400 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:27:32 3.04 0.07 1,800 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:27:32 3.03 0.06 3,200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:24:29 3.03 0.06 200 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:19:00 3.03 0.06 500 19 Desjardins 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:16:01 3.03 0.06 600 14 ITG 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:16:01 3.02 0.05 900 14 ITG 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:15:44 3.02 0.05 100 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:15:33 3.02 0.05 900 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:50 3.02 0.05 100 5 Penson 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:44 3.03 0.06 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:26 2.97 0.05 55 89 Raymond James 36 Latimer E
V 2007-12-24 10:14:26 3.02 0.05 900 5 Penson 36 Latimer K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:24 3.03 0.06 300 79 CIBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:24 3.03 0.06 400 79 CIBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:14:04 3.03 0.06 1,000 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:13:49 3.03 0.06 300 2 RBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:13:18 3.03 0.06 500 19 Desjardins 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:13:12 3.08 0.06 50 7 TD Sec 89 Raymond James E
V 2007-12-24 10:13:12 3.03 0.06 1,200 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:08:42 3.03 0.06 100 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:08:14 3.03 0.06 1,500 33 Canaccord 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:05:46 3.02 0.05 300 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:04:49 3.04 0.07 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:03:16 3.04 0.07 300 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:02:44 3.04 0.07 500 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 10:01:59 3.04 0.07 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:59:21 3.09 0.08 30 14 ITG 89 Raymond James E
V 2007-12-24 09:58:21 3.05 0.08 200 14 ITG 83 Research Cap K
V 2007-12-24 09:58:21 3.04 0.07 100 14 ITG 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:57:53 3.04 0.07 4,900 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:57:41 3.04 0.07 100 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:57:39 3.04 0.07 1,000 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:56:52 3.04 0.07 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:54:38 3.04 0.07 2,000 9 BMO Nesbitt 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:50:45 3.04 0.07 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:50:29 3.04 0.07 700 5 Penson 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:50:22 3.05 0.08 1,000 33 Canaccord 83 Research Cap K
V 2007-12-24 09:50:19 3.04 0.07 300 5 Penson 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:49:58 3.04 0.07 2,500 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:49:34 3.04 0.07 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:47:58 3.04 0.07 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:46:07 3.09 0.07 25 88 E-TRADE 89 Raymond James E
V 2007-12-24 09:46:07 3.04 0.07 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:42:31 3.00 0.03 1,400 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:39:01 3.00 0.03 8,600 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:38:46 3.00 0.03 1,400 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:37:56 3.00 0.03 600 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:37:15 3.00 0.03 1,000 124 Questrade 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:37:15 3.00 0.03 1,000 1 Anonymous 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:37:15 3.00 0.03 1,000 82 Westwind 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:36:55 3.00 0.03 15,000 82 Westwind 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:36:45 3.00 0.03 4,000 82 Westwind 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:36:22 3.00 0.03 1,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:36:15 3.00 0.03 4,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:35:46 3.00 0.03 1,000 1 Anonymous 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:35:43 2.99 0.02 800 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:35:27 2.98 0.01 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:33:06 2.98 0.01 1,000 36 Latimer 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:32:05 2.98 0.01 3,800 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:32:01 2.99 0.02 5,000 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:32:00 2.98 0.01 4,200 7 TD Sec 78 Salman K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 3.04 0.02 50 88 E-TRADE 89 Raymond James E
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 3,900 82 Westwind 78 Salman K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 5,900 82 Westwind 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 100 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 300 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 500 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 1,500 33 Canaccord 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 1,000 33 Canaccord 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 300 58 Qtrade 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 300 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 100 2 RBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 100 2 RBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 900 2 RBC 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 1,000 14 ITG 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 200 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 1,000 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 300 7 TD Sec 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 200 88 E-TRADE 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 1,000 14 ITG 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 100 1 Anonymous 1 Anonymous K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 5,200 82 Westwind 83 Research Cap K
V 2007-12-24 09:30:03 2.99 0.02 5,000 82 Westwind 1 Anonymous KL