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There will be games and there will be games, it is kind of funny to watch but just as they are releasing details that we have asked for years, operating voltage below 5 Volts, nm (Data and Telcom). Within Minutes,,, Every time info is released someone who “I don’t really follow it closely” posts with a high level of understanding of the science and a respect for “Dave and Terry” a self professed Linked in buddy of Greenlee plants the seeds of doubts. Whatever guys I’m not biting, do you guys not think that the press release that was put out yesterday was not supposed to be released before the investor conference? OK why was it held up? As for those sales yesterday, yeh right, um not so much. I don’t have time to format this properly but I glanced at our new found friends posts last night with an insider view in the technology that claims not hold an interest in either Gig or Lightwave but I guess just monitors the news because he doesn’t have anything to do. Oh thats right no he is very busy. It would be interesting to see what general vicinity IP addresses are located in. OK I have a question for you guys, how many of you spend all day monitoring a technology that you do not think holds promise you do not have any money invested in, or is not a competitor (grants, academia or commercial) and do not hold a grudge or cover for a mistake that you made.
Oh and I did read last night Tristan, that he said that he was NOT and investor in LWLG or Gig.
Oh and some think that we should just sell material just as the device is being proven out, investing alike a squirrel crossing the road, yes we will do Both, Miller laid out the device strategy, top of the pyramid, Drive the market.
Games, Games, Games
I know this is not formatted properly and I haven’t proofed it I only had 5 minutes this morning anyway here is something that I noticed from our friend’s latest posts. Oh speaking of posts, talk about corny posts lately.
Gotta Go, Here
The potential working device is promising but the PR does not really say anything about the device. 'Working' could mean that you have to apply 100V to see any modulation. The material will always be the limiting factor in making a great device. Disperse Red can be purchased from Sigma Aldrich. The r33 is very low but 'working' devices have been made with that. Next time a stronger PR needs to be released that at least mentions the operating voltage, loss (dB/cm) ,and r33 calculated from device performance. Operating frequency is optional. The device is probably still in a lab setup and not properly impedance matched so it wouldn't be fair to judge operating frequency based on that type of device. Releasing these type of numbers gives away no proprietary information at all. If these numbers were great (ex. <5V operation) you would see the stock price go through the roof.
Oops 2.2V Oh and the comment about “the PR does not really say anything about the device” Uh what about this in the last press release“ - - - > The device utilizes an existing modulator structure with one of Lightwave’s proprietary electro-optic polymer material systems as the enabling material layer.
Just because the device is small does not mean the picture has to be so small. When you zoom in on the pic of the device it looks like a test coupon with many structures that may not even be waveguides. If there are key features that need to be kept confidential a pic shouldn't be included at all. Inserting a pic that small makes me think that picture is not even the actual device but some random test coupon to get people excited.
It is an investors presentation.
3. Does this device operate at 1310 (Datacom) or 1550 (Telecom). r33 is higher at 1310 (closer to the absorption peak) so I would assume they are testing at that wavelength to make the results look better. It would be nice to know what wavelength they intend to market their device at. Market potential may be different for Datacom and Telecom.
Oops looks like it operates at 1550 he said “so I would assume they are testing at that wavelength to make the results look better”
Nope
Last PR talking about a Device, A Device an existing modulator Structure.
The device utilizes an existing modulator structure with one of Lightwave’s proprietary electro-optic polymer material systems as the enabling material layer.
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And how would a fempto second EO polymer change things
Lol. Lil worried? Still waiting for a response to my questions. X
Lol, message boards are hard to interpret ones intention, after meeting you at the SHM 2 years ago I find it hard to believe that you really think that my post was about electricity it was about how things perform differently that we expect. Good Luck Terry, as info I try to lay things down at a level here that I can understand, your brain functions at a level far and away above mine (that is for sure) and nary the twain shall meet. Oh and guys for the record Fred Jr. had the ability to function at both levels, he graduated number one in his class at the University of Delaware but could break down quantum physics to my level it is a shame but we have lost that link.
Hopefully this message board won’t “jump the shark” but we are getting close, that and the amount of advertising on here is getting ridiculous.
Quote of the day, “When you hire someone smarter than you it proves that you are smarter than them”.
Welp, I Gotta Run
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OK, I’m going to try and throw down a little food for thought to get some of you cats to think outside the box, I won’t be posting in response to your posts cause I’ve got a little/playing traveling to do, some of you will get it and some won’t, I cannot help that.
OK think A.C. electric (Your House) Vs. D.C. (Car or Batteries) electric.
Edison invented D.C. Electric, Telsa worked for Edison and Telson came up with A.C. Current. At the time Edison had wired homes with D.C. current (only good for about 1 mile radius) and could not be convinced that A.C. was better. Eventually Edison fired Telsa who went out and started his own company blah blah blah and ended up with Westinghouse as his partner who eventually ended up building the Niagara Falls power plant and that was the end of the story.
OK where am I going with this, if you try and apply the rules of D.C. to A.C. fogettabout it, even someone as smart as Edison couldn’t see the forest for the trees. Remember there will also be Games, Games and more Games don’t get sucked in.
IMO what we saw play out at some the Universities was just like that. I think that Arizona in particular was trying to test the Perk using old D.C. rules, I think that EM was trying to use the D.C. rules as well. I think that Z got fed up and using common sense said, I don’t care what the rules say, WE KNOW IT WORKS, Now make it work in a device and we will figure out why it works later. I also think that the large system supplier said the same thing so they brought it in-house. Well apparently both the LSS and this other mystery partner have got it to work. Comprende?
Now if you think that they are going to spend time running around to explain the science like a Professor doing a lecture, well um, Nope it isn’t going to happen. I mean think about it, explaining everything, Laying it out there in black and white would be like W.L. Gore and Dupont throwing down the secrets behind Gore-Tex, Teflon and Nylon before they made and sold a single Jacket, Pan or replaced silk Pantyhose with Nylon. Now think of everything invented using those products since the early days.
Why do you think they are keeping Indigo as a “Trade Secret”?
Now look at the players that they have attracted to Lil Ol Lightwave Logic (and we only know the public ones, how many are on the other side of the NDA’s?) they “get it”, 80% of the players here do not need to work a single day in life ever again, then why are they here? They see the future of “A.C.” and we cannot help that others do not get it because they are “D.C.” believers, and IMO if we think they are going to lay out exactly why and how everything works we are not thinking like a business we are thinking like academia competing for a grant. IMO In the end Perk will set the standards that all other EO polymers will be measured by, No more Lithium niobate rules, nope. Hey I could be wrong those that think I’m wrong should cut your losses move on and sell, quit making your life so miserable.
Whatever Guys
Happier than a frickin Bird
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George is apparently the only one that "got" my post. If bs had not gone personal then I wouldn't think that he has an ax to grind or another reason to raise doubts. Any who's yes one basically skilled on the art can always raise doubts in the minds of us amateurs. Gluck Hopefully he will take the time to answer every question I raised if so them maybe after a couple double checks to make sure bs ain't bs ing us then he will earn a lil cred. X
BS that is an investor presentation of course it is dumbed down, yes we've been watching Soluxra for a while. I'm not in the field but Can you give us an honest professional unbiased assessment of their chromophore, the Published numbers, Bandwidth, insertion loss, size, yield, R33, stability, solubility, silicon compatibility, solvent, voltage, weakness and strongpoints (as I understand it to date nothing out there has everything so there are always tradeoffs)and if any protection from the elements is required etc. and if $2k a graham is a reasonable number. Oh also the successful commercial devices that are available using that chromophore and their costs. If anyone can buy it, I mean anyone can have it, is that a wise thing especially for military uses? How about ITAR?
Oh and yes packaging here especially if it single mode (which I think it will be) as I understand it will be tricky.
Please be honest oh and like I asked last time what is your age so we have an idea of where you are coming from (and yes it matters), just a range, 25-30,30-35, 40-45, 45-50,50-55 etc. Oh and your background, are you from the business world, successful startups or academia?
Oh and what is your opinion on the latest Board of Directors member that replaced Ross,, Siraj Nour El-Ahmadi CEO of Menara?
Thanks Dude/Dudette
Notes from myself to myself, some like them, some hate them
So Lightwave Modulator is 1 mm squared, guys that is 1/32 x 1/32 of an inch, or in other words about the size of a grain of salt.
Honestly I would NOT expect to see Fred Leonberger at an investor oriented (get the name out Road Show), he may however someday choose to handle a Dog and Pony get the name out to the science community though, I think that in the end we may OWE him that. And if it is an under the ditch thing we proly owe Joe Milller the honor.
As for Joe Miller and Fred, I would hope that when the time is right (if they haven’t already) both Joe Miller and Fred Leonberger would call on a few CEO/CTO types for us. That EO polymer scientist told me long ago that they have the clout to call just about anyone in the business (or government) world.
LWLG material will replace Silicon as the material of choice; IMO compatibility with silicon and FemptoSecond response time is why.
It is still going to take a while for the learning curve to happen but IMO yes we are on our way and as the folks start to get what we (the nerds here) spent 10 years researching it will take off, I’m sure that it will frustrate us but we’ll get there.
We have always known that if they could get it to work in a device (the size of a grain of salt WITHOUT PROTECTION) we could potentially disrupt Telecommunications, Data Communications, and Turpin with Optical computing and of course the military, I didn’t see encryption or home land security but I guess that goes without saying.
Watching this from the days of 4 employees I’m having trouble getting to 12, I think there may be some new cats we don’t know about, proly for the better,,,,else some of us may check out there linkin in contacts.
The Organic vs. Non-linear Optical Polymer slide lays it out there as does the Gig- High price Mods and packaging also the fact that they are not an EO polymer development company. They have to hate that.
Oh and the slide about 10Gb/s is the typical pipe the cloud/data center, good info for the masses to grasp.
Oh and our favorite 180c CMOS survivability fact doesn’t hurt.
The Development efforts slide is nice, Plain and simple.
I expect to see a press release in short order on the Prototype Device results not sure what gives there but no doubt that we will see something.
The current approach using Multimode Fiber (Old Way) but I’m surprised not to see the world “Single Mode” on the LWLG solution slide.
Box to Box within the data center, roger that
How about that 10 years ago Fred Goetz Jr. used the price $500 bucks as his guestimate and it looks like it still holds true today.
So yes I agree that short of a major no brainer announcement, as the general public starts to get it, and we get as little as $10k to $100k additional pressure on this per day, once they suck up the shares from the folks who just cannot wait any longer, then we will move north.
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Prototype results - Less than 2.2 volts for 40 gig. Well if The one self proclaimed "expert" that posted here is correct we are off and running because the last time I looked 2.2 was less than 5 volts.
Lol lol lol. Yup. I want x back too. Lol. Not sure how what to make of this board lately. Oh on the linkin invite thanks but sometimes laying it out there isn't always good so don't take offense. We are fine I'm not worried I'm debating on grabbing a small boat load very very soon. It will be a balancing act to catch it At the very bottom. Alls well that ends well. x
Bottom Line (It took me an hour) I probably shouldn’t post this but to me these are the most important ones, Not a bad quarter, not at all.
In August 2013 in a combined effort of the Company’s chemists, the University of Colorado, Boulder, and a third party research group we successfully fabricated Silicon Organic Hybrid (SOH) slot waveguide modulators. The devices utilize an existing modulator structure with one of our proprietary electro-optic polymer material systems as the enabling material layer. In October 2013, we confirmed the functionality of the SOH slot waveguide modulators as operating prototype devices. These first-generation devices have achieved greater electro-optical activity and dramatically lower drive voltage than industry standard modulators based on inorganic materials.
We have recently begun a second-generation design of a unique telecommunications modulator incorporating one of our newly developed (took out the word Indigo) electro-optic polymer materials.
Datacomm/Telecomm Photonic Transceiver
All New
We, along with our partners at the University of Colorado, Boulder, propose to develop multichannel integrated nanophotonic transceivers (Mints) for application in data communications. The transceiver consists of a silicon photonic chip fabricated with nonlinear polymer infused modulators (SOH), multiplexers, demultiplexers, detectors and grating fiber couplers to an external light source. The CMOS-compatible optical modulators are key components for future silicon-based photonic transceivers. Our solution, the silicon-organic hybrid (SOH) platform has been proposed and is being prototyped. In the SOH approach, the optical signal is guided by a silicon waveguide while an organic cladding provides the electro-optic effect.
(Increasing expenses),,,,as the Company expands its prototype development efforts.
Same - We expect general and administrative expense to increase in future periods as we increase the level ADDED -> of corporate and administrative activity, including increases associated with our operation as a public company; - > and significantly increase expenditures related to the future production and sales of our products. < - - -
ADDED costs for - - -> electro-optic device prototype, development and outsourced testing expenses, laboratory,
I know it is never enough but like I’ve said before it is NOW moving along as many of us discussed years (and years) ago.
As Chum Lee would say, Hell ya that’s what I’m talking about.
There were many other small changes but that’s the meat of em.
Funny I’ve been watching the health care hearings and it took me back to my high school days of listening to the Watergate ish, kinda weird, I’m not a nerd but I’d sneak out of school early, run out the back door as fast as I could to the woods, walk home and listen to those hearing. This is how I’d summarize the web site roll out, like building a house without a general contractor, all of the trades would just show up at their convenience and do their thing in no particular order or without considering the effect on the other, the new homeowner has just moved in, carpet will be in next week and soon they will turn on the utilities. Oh except the roof hasn’t been installed yet, oh and the sewage isn’t hooked up, the good news though is that the electric kinda works.
Gnight
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Well it looks like the board has kind of deteriorated down to a level where some of the posts aren’t exactly relavent, or they are of such a level that I’m not capable of grasping, probably the latter. I guess that is what happens when one pushes the button checking the stock price every minute of the day (like Gomez in the Adams family reading the ticker tape) expecting news, well for whatever reason apparently the company does not have or chooses not to do press release on a daily business as apparently most would like to see. IMO we have a BOD and the Employees are far and away the top in their field, I’m leaving it up to them. Some complain when we move over a buck, some complain when we are under a buck. Honestly instead of buying new stuff I’m just kind of gathering in dribs and drabs the cheap shares. That is about all the wisdom that I can offer today. IMO the buyers that are out there are smart, God Bless Em, they are waiting for the sellers (fish) to come their way, it appears that we may have a large seller hitting the sell button routinely, like a crack head after his next fix, it is what it is, as always I say gather them up. That is what I’m doing, if it hits I’ll either be able to have more stuff or if it doesn’t I’ll have less toys to throw away.
Look at the players, those players will put this together, MOST DO NOT NEED MONEY and would not be here if this material wasn’t promising, PERIOD. As for any of us thinking that we know more about this than ANYONE at the company, uh I don’t think so Spanky(s). And before any of you wise acres reply when I say “most” and “anyone” apply the 80/20 rule (because of course there are always exceptions that you could nit pick). LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE. Geez Intel has been playing/experimenting in this market for 10 years, you will notice what they say kinda sorta reflects what we have heard from the company. This is the big leagues guys expect there to be misleading statements by Fortune 500, Military, Academia, Etc.
Gluck, thanks for the cheap shares and less Junk.
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Or the 3rd. BUY. Half full/ half empty you decide oops gotta run.
I took a minute to look for the origin of the voltage comments that I’ve made and is what I found, at 13:21 on the SHM Z something to the effect that what they are shooting for is Reducing the dry voltage down from 3 1/2 volts down to ½ volt. You have to listen to how he says it, it rolls off his tongue as though they talk amongst themselves (and with partners) as this a done deal and a strong point, a fact,, if you would, I’d bet if you could see the white papers it is in there.
Oh and on the web site, again the voltage
Lightwave Advantage–A typical telecom modulator, built around lithium niobate has the ability to transmit at a data rate of 10 Gb/s and requires approximately 3 to 4 volts to operate the device. Modulators incorporating PerkinamineTM materials could have the potential to operate at 100 Gb/s and require less than 1 volt to operate.
Most legacy transceivers built around lithium niobate are limited to one single, multi-mode fiber operating at 10 Gb/s. Lightwave Logic’s advanced organic polymer transceiver is being designed to run multiple channels, each operating at data rates as high as 100 Gb/s with extremely low operating voltage.
Gotta run,
Yep we’z be bought out, notta doubt about it, as for the timing who knows, but it WILL happen.
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Read my post Joe and we did it, we had to change it and we did, Sorry for Smitty he realized it a lil late in the game, as for my Ego, sorry I'm just trying to splane it in plane English, and if it comes across that way then it is what it is.
Ya'll have a good day, I gotta run. And yes I bought some on Tuesday thank you and yes I did hammer it when I said I would, you see I'm a do what you say, say what you do kind of guy.
Lata Tata,
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Mysery loves company, not much else I can say, cept it won’t be my company, I won’t be joining you guys complaining without contributing useful knowledge, kind a like the guy at the bar complaining about a company without offering any useful suggestions to the company. You guys are getting personal, (Admiral, salaries, Delaware, camp ground) like a cheap political opponent.
Honestly we are moving along now as one would have expected us to a few years ago. At that time we all knew that we had a problem and what had to happen did happen. The fact of the matter is that it sapped everyone’s patience. If you go back to the Goetzs days this is just about the pace and the manner/fashion that we had discussed, not worried. If you put Leonbeger and this new cat together along with the fact that they’ve got the filament to work in the light bulb (device), the first class lab and personnel, and with Bintz’s been there done that let me work on all these projects in an orderly fashion and Z’s ability to walk and chew gum at the same time I think that this company will do just fine. Apparently there are many here that know better than Joe Miller and the board how this should work. At the shareholders meeting Z tells us what he is going to try and do and he trys to do it, but he isn’t going to do something that is wrong for us (when he pulls back the covers) he's a big boy and can handle the criticism, Oh I like the big money comment,,,,, Please. Anyway that is my ray of sunshine pumped up the @$$.
If we are correct and this polymer can control light, doesn’t require protection, is compatible with CMOS and silicon, cheap and the patents and trade secrets can protect it, Look Out. Furthermore if you don’t think games will be played by the best of the best you are naive. This will be interesting and I’ betting ol Fred L has the ability to put together something that will surprise us all.
Have a good day, I’m not going to sit here and whine, I just hope everyone is all in.
Oh and as for bashing Delaware if you saw Nitro's set up's you'd understand why he is so ProDelaware, I saw them from the Air, the Land and the Water, not bad joints, specially for a normal everyday beer drinking, hunting, fishing, arm wrestling (Lol) kind o Joe.
Xster
10k?
Not a rumor I wrote it down, I think it was at the shareholders meeting it was 1/10th what they guy the other day said he would like to see, no sure what kind of Perk they are using in the Mod though. There are Many of those Ya know.
later, Gotta Run
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I going to say my peace and then I won’t post for a while because I’m getting frustrated with some here and I’m not invested here to get frustrated with other investors. Earlier this week I put up a post demonstrating that we the shareholders simply do not know enough about the science to contribute or criticize. So what do a few of us do, turn around and criticize the financing, putting up whatever they can to bash the company for what reason I haven’t a clue. OK to put it bluntly Please Post Your Solution. If you have a path to financing that you are willing to lend the company unsecured (or secured with shares) at a better rate call JM I’m sure the he’d be glad to entertain your proposals. In the past when the company needed money MANY of us would call and kick money in on an offering, in fact I was the first in on many and also the last to help them close. Geez oh man they have finally got the Goetzs material to work in a device what 2 weeks ago and everything (INCLUDING THE NEXT STEP) that they do requires an expenditure of cash remember that they spend about .5 million per year just on being public. They need to keep ahead of the curve when putting money in the bank, I’m not sure if they are EVEN tapping LPC, I’m not sure if they are inking an agreement with a company for use of the modulator, I’m not sure if they are negotiating with a fab facility, If they are who knows what the terms are, I’m not sure if they are just working the material, frankly I’m not sure of a lot of things, But I’m more positive about this company that I’ve ever been. Didn’t JM or Z say that LPC is in for 5 or 10 million at like $1.20 a share? You guys somehow think that they are going to force this higher so they can pay more? Nope that is our job, Market forces will prevail.
Oh someone asked me yesterday what I’m hearing and seeing around the edges here, I’m hearing very positive stuff but when they say OK we’ve got a device and are working on the performance I don’t harp on them every 5 frickin minutes. Come on now Man up and quit whining like a little kid on vacation yelling “Are we there yet?”
Oh and if you guys want to look at something that shows what level of um technology we are playing in look at the mystery surrounding one for the Opsis foundries, look at the testimony in the hearings, look at the boss of the victim (AND who he hangs with), Look at the deleted file. I feel for the Todd’s, but what I'm referring to is the evidence and testimony in the trial, the companies and the countries, some of you may have viewed it on 20/20 and didn’t get it. Don’t post it when you read it, it is just that some here think that Lightwave is working on a simple next widget, No there are many, Many, MANY uses. Those that think they should be posting data better look at, uh, Oh never mind. Oh and look at the timeline behind the events playing out there and the events that played out here in Newark. I’m NOT saying that this is in anyway related to Lightwave, I’m not saying who was involved, I’m not drawing any conclusions, I’m just not sure that some here “get it”. Yes and I’ll say it again, IMO we will be bought out and it will be long before significant revenue. Keep the Faith.
Good Luck guys I need a sabbatical from the negativity of those trying to drive blindly from the back seat while Jeff Gordon is in the Driver’s seat heading back to Dover after stopping by Dupont when Fasick headed up the Paint Division. Oh by the way for those in Belgium, Jeff Gordon is Nascar driver here in the States and Dupont is his sponsor, in his heyday Ross Fasick was the V.P. of Dupont Paint and Dover is a city in Delaware where a nascar track is located. Just something to think about.
I hope I have the stamina to stay away until the next announcement. Oh and while Buz and six are raising doubts I'll be scarfing up hopefully the last bit of the cheap shares, I promise you.
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I guess that you are right the material does not work in a device or they certainly would have pr'd a working prototype by now. Oh wait they just did, um, I tried to give them my advice perhaps you could point them in the right direction. Ya'll have a wonderful day.
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Well it is hard to say how they are doing. Honestly I haven’t a clue how long it takes to invent a polymer and create Electro Optic devices from it. While we were in the lab at the SHM I was trying to advise Andrew on just how to adjust the RPMs while doping and perhaps if he used a different solvent he could get the solubility numbers up. I asked if I could check the voltage on the equipment used to test but Eaton told me that I didn’t know what I was doing. Shoot I even tried to tell Babu what he was doing wrong under the hood but noooo they didn’t want me to help. While in the lab Bintz had everything set up to test, I volunteered to help by adjusting the voltages, lenses, angles, change the wavelength and swap out the laser but he gracefully declined my invitation to help. There is not much else we can do. Perhaps if some of you guys that have done this could step up and provide a little advice, I think that Fred Leonberger could use some advice on how to create and bring a modulator to market and Turpin I’M sure could use some guidance on the SLM. I think that we could probably teach Joe Miller a thing or two about fiber Optics and this new cat Siraj could use some guidance in layering optics. I guess that we could take turns helping out some of the partners.
Have a Good Day Guys, It has been 15 days since they announced a device, Perhaps we just need to complain more? There are plenty of steps between now and $100 bucks and I’m sure that some will complain the entire time, not me. I only try to complain when I can affect a change that I think we need, I don’t think that we should be changing anything what 2 weeks after a device and 3 weeks after Raj joined.
Hey it sounds like I did something though, LOL Prop is making money elsewhere (and complaining all the way to the bank, lol) and I destroyed the Yahoo board. Bad X, Oh No Good X.
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Pit, graphene has great promise and as it stands now they are trying to get the band gap to cooperate. Because graphene occurs naturally anyone can play with it so there is news everyday on it. It looks like a wonder material, they also say that it could replace silicon who knows.
Nobody knows for sure all that we can do is to look around and try to figure out what is going on and who the players might be.
It kind of adds up and points in that direction though. Not sure that at this point any of our stuff is heading to the Opsis's IME foundry in Singapore, So one of reasonable intelligence might look to IMEC they used be a partner with Opsis, for some reason they are no longer playing in the same sandbox.
Guys it is just a matter of time, I know that everyone is getting impatience but the workable prototype device was just announced a month ago, let us assume they have been tweaking it. The next logical step would be to license the technology for the modulator, hopefully the scale up on the lab side is probably documented, then find a partner. Those talks could take a while or they could go fast. IMO now that we know it works in a device now is a good time to start working those buck shares into the ol retirement account.
Everyone has to admit that since they finally got some coin in the bank and Z (I'm sure with the help of Joe Miller and the feedback loop) came onboard the plan that he laid out has been proceeding according to plan.
IMO Fred Leonbergers plan and along with the new cat will be next, then it will be adios amigo.
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Yes you are missing something, are you interested in purchasing a LARGE number of shares? Over the years I've meet, um, In a round about way I guess that I could probably reach out to a large percentage of the shares outstanding in very short period of time. Not bragging, Not complaining, it is what it is, been here so Fing long that is all, meet many at the SHM. Not trying to promote a sale or a buy not saying that now is good time to buy or sell, just saying that I might be able to point you in the right direction to the proper professionals that could.
AND not guys I'm not promoting a BuyOut, LOL
NO, Not Yet LOL, the price is FAR FAR TOO LOW (for now)
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I do however think that for perhaps the rights to a Single Second Order device, at this point in time, they might let that go for 3 Bucks a share or carry the one,,,,, $150 Million.
I'm not sure that you understand the Third Order Potential Device Potential. Light Switching Light, that is why all of these heavy hitters are here, Get it?
Gotta Run
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Weak we know what it is worth, I can tell you that the majority of the investors will not even entertain such an offer.
Sorry
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Yup he was there no biggie, UCMT has sold almost all of their shares (we've spoken about this numerous times in the past). I knew they would but Mike is still holding his. IMO If it wasn’t for him the Goetzs, LWLG never would have made it, but I'm not here to carry his water, IMO it is what it is, water over the dam stuff.
Wow hey Gates you wanna see something interesting, send me an email to the x993231@yahoo.com address.
Guys I said that games will be played and from here forward this won’t be for the faint of heart, some are playing right into their hands. The sky is falling, the sky is falling,,,, until the next step plays out.
I’ll be back in the game buying shares in about a week, hopefully they’ll still be cheap.
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Nice move Prop, 400 Bucks or so, I hope that it was in a retirement account so you don’t have to start the Long Term Capital gains clock over or you could shoot youself in the foot because if we get taken out within a year it could push your income up substantially and with the new rates and there that NEW unearned income Medicare tax for those above $200k or 250k 3.8% (I think) married and a takeover it might push many that are not in that bracket today into it. No I’m not a tax guy just saying watch the Big Picture.
I know that you guys hate it when I say that we will be bought out but EVERYONE has their price and it will be up for a vote, And no I don’t know this for a fact but it is common sense if you think about it. Are we going to build a Billion Dollar Foundry, HECK NO but one of the guys that’s got one would sure like to control the competitor’s price and in oder to that would need the control of the “enabling material”.
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3 Bucks No, There is NO WAY that a majority would go for that, IMO we'll start at $5 or $10 depending on the data proly 3 different back and forth's, I'd say many would go for $10, $20 or $30, WHO THE HECK KNOWS but 3 dollars, NO WAY THEY COULD GET A MAJORITY
Gottta Run,
Consortium, hmmm
Meaningful revenue, Nope we’ll get bought out. Honestly I don’t think that we’ll ever see Meaningful revenue, You see what the folks at Lightwave have finally accomplished is what appears to be a Viable, Cheap, Stable, Fast, Efficient, an Entire Platform of Chromophores with Both 2nd order and 3rd order Properties that is Compatible with Silicon AND the CMOS process and it Reduces Power requirements which is not only good for Data Centers but on the Nose of Drone as well. Not only will it get the world past the next Bridge, of Electro Optics, it can provide the NEXT step beyond that to ALL Optic Computers and Communication. I cannot say it any plainer than that, the Goetzs knew what they had but didn’t have the wherewithal to get there. At the time over the past few years they/we didn’t have the financing or the required engineering skill set. Well folks it has been a long arduous road, I’d say that we are finally just about there. And yes there are different kinds of investors, those that get in early and take all the risk, 9 times out of 10 they loose and those that only invest in companies producing X amount of revenue, a viable operating business that does not require outside capital And there are plenty of them out there. Believe me when I say if Lightave has what it certainly now appears they have, the golden rule will take effect. “Those that have the gold will make the rules”. We will be gobbled up in no time, what happens next will be very interesting, because as JM said one time “once one has it they all will need it”. Do I think this investment is for everyone, Nope, but IMO I think that anyone that doesn’t grab at least a few thousand shares is crazy. Businesses do not shift very often, Horse to Horseless, Wooden wheel to Rubber, Iron to Steel, Oil Lamps to Electricity, D.C. to A.C., Wash Boards to Washing machines, Ice Boxes to Refrigerators, Railroads to Pipelines, Telegraph to Telephone, Planes to Jets, Tubes to Transistors, Typewrites to Printers, Word Processors to PC’s, Copper to Fiber Optics, Land Lines to Mobil, Cell Phones to Smart Phones, and now From Electrons to Photons.
Corporate America Spent Billions and could not do it, while there is technology out there that can do it is simply it NOT practical, the Perkinamine Platform has the patent and many will want it, meaningful revenue, nope we’ll be bought out. A bird in the hand…….
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I’d say that JM’s expertise is in the area of controlling costs, IMO he is good at that. From 1991 to 2000 it Looked like he did a lot for NTI but I’m not sure how many folks are familiar with that so I didn't mention it, here was his employment contract for 1998, 1999, 2000. He takes credit for returning them to profitability in 5 months and increased the customer base 10 fold. Many here do not like him. One on one he is fine, over the years I’ve meet with him a handful of times.
http://www.techagreements.com/agreement-preview.aspx?title=Details%20Capital%20-%20Marcelli%20Employment%20Agreement%20Dated%2012/19/97&num=138676
Oh for those that want to look he increased EBITDA to greater than 20%.
"The Bonus shall be calculated according to the table set forth in Exhibit A"
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Let’s look at Just who is involved, who is Lending their name, their reputation to this company and what they did with their life.
Ross Fasick just stepped down, from everything that I can see Ross lead an exemplary Life retiring from Dupont as the Senior VP of Polymer and Automotive. Polymers, Get it?
Joe Miller was Corning’s CTO and Senior V.P. Research and Development he also sat on the board of Dow Corning and he is credited with Saving them, Oh by the way Corning is the world’s Largest Manufacture of Fiber Optics. Fiber Optics, Get it?
Teru Turpin Terry was a former NSA optical computing guy IMO he was the reason that Northrop Grumman bought Key West. Do not sell him short we do not hear much from him but I think we will all be very surprised and pleased with his work once we figure out what the heck he is doing. NSA, Get it?
Tom Zelibor ON 9/11 he was the Admiral that lead a three Carrier Task Force in combat operations in Afghanistan after 9-11 (in total there were about 100 vessels) Military Backround, Get it?
Dave Eaton, He spearheaded DuPont’s entry into polymer-based components for fiber optic telecommunication by founding DuPont Photonics Technology. Polymer Based/Fiber Optics, Get it?
Fred Leonberger Former CTO of JDSU, the man is credited with inventing and bringing to market today’s industry standard Lithium Niobate Modulators and was in charge of mergers and acquisitions for JDSU. Modulators and Merges and Acquisitions, Get it?
Lou Bintz at Lumera he was the lead photonic device scientist whose duties included device design and modeling capabilities, optical testing specification and build out of optical test and characterization facilities, and a principal investigator for a USAF electro-optic polymer modulator government contract.
Babu working in medicinal and organic chemistry at Astra Zeneca Pharmaceuticals and most recently Cephalon, Inc, Clean organic molecules, Get It?
Lou Glasgow Former Corning Director of Research, Organic Technologies, Organic Technoligies, Get it?
Bim Pickett former Chief Financial Officer of Invista soon you will see Mr. Pickett and Bucci step up to the plate. M and A, Get it?
Oops I almost forgot the latest cat, Siraj Nour El-Ahmadi, Co-Founder and CEO of Menara Networks, Inc., has specific expertise in the design and fabrication of optical transceivers. Transceivers, Get it?
Yes I think that we are close, You have to admit that this is one heck of a TEAM. IMO as we speak some of our heavy hitters are making a few visits and the plan they are working on,,, well stay tuned. As for Ponz, I recommend a big heavy down filled mitten on his hand because when he hits himself in the center of his forehead it won’t leave a mark. YES IMO THEY ARE CLOSE but as of yet many remain skeptical, good for those still accumulating, I’m telling you the first day we trade 1 Million shares, wham past 2 bucks and well on our way back to the $3.33. You will see.
Good Luck, for anyone that doesn’t get it, sorry about your luck. It is in a device, now it is just a matter of time, will it be 1 day, 5 day, 1 Month or 3 Months, spin the wheel if you wish to try and trade it, but be careful do not expect them to tip there hand. Soon enough we will witness firsthand the future of communications and communicating, and soon enough and there WILL be games I guarandamtee it. Sit back and enjoy the show and watch the pros try and freak us out. It will not be a game for amateurs Or those faint of heart. Imagine that you are a broker that somehow has to get 500k shares for a client, think about it. And the institutions, forgetta bout it, Up we go, but it will not be a straight line.
Oh and for the record we closed a $1.04 on Friday.
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That is how I read it but I'll defer to our expert 'BS' you have the floor. Keep it down to an 8th grade level if possible, thanks.
(I deleted your duplicate post.)
Drinking time now so I'll stop posting because that is when I really get intelligent, Lol. .
See Ya
Before anyone gets they panties in a wad here is the Reg Sho List, you will see that there are 3 OTC companies and none are LWLG.
http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/trader.aspx?id=regshothreshold
SSDD If everyone remembers we had this conversation and watched this list everyday for like a year.
It is against the law, I don't think that you will see it here, but hey I could be wrong.
Good Luck Folks
Look at our Lineup, Employees, BODs and advisors, I don't think that they are being cute I think that they know exactly what they are doing we are looking at the big leagues not academia.
We are ALMOST there, not until recently did they have what they needed, I'd say that NOW they DO and we are good to go.
Gotta Run
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Honestly I’m not sure if what we saw was due to shorting or not, IMO it doesn’t really matter because every time someone shorts and sells a share they must turn around later and buy it back from one of us. Shorting causes confusion amongst the retail folks because it adds volume to the selling side for a particular day and knocks the price down a peg, whatever. Those who short need to watch, watch and watch some more because the second an announcement is made the price heads north and they are forced to buy at the market price, so the shorts add to the feeding frenzy. Oh and if one were to loan their shares to a short and that individual decided to call back the shares the short either has to get them from someone else or buy at market, it is a risky endeavor with unlimited risk they can VERY easily loose more than what they have invested, EASILY.
OK let us take a look at the comments from 2 of the latest contributors,,,, Weaklegs said something to the effect of “eventually if the technology is good the shorting doesn’t matter”,,, and BS said that “if the voltage is less that 5 Volts it will take off”. If anyone on here after doing their homework doesn’t believe that the voltage will be less than 5 volts then you shouldn’t be here, they have stated many times about the low operating voltage. But as BS points out, nothing YET (no hard numbers) has been made public.
This is a Great Post thanks BS and yes we will need your expertise going forward and we appreciate an experts opinion it is just so easy to muddy the water here with outside research that is the reason that we were upset.
“The potential working device is promising but the PR does not really say anything about the device. 'Working' could mean that you have to apply 100V to see any modulation. The material will always be the limiting factor in making a great device. Disperse Red can be purchased from Sigma Aldrich. The r33 is very low but 'working' devices have been made with that. Next time a stronger PR needs to be released that at least mentions the operating voltage, loss (dB/cm) ,and r33 calculated from device performance. Operating frequency is optional. The device is probably still in a lab setup and not properly impedance matched so it wouldn't be fair to judge operating frequency based on that type of device. Releasing these type of numbers gives away no proprietary information at all. If these numbers were great (ex. <5V operation) you would see the stock price go through the roof.”
BS could you give us your age within a range?
As far as the mythical LPC manipulating the market I’m not accusing them of doing it but at this point they are a necessary evil. At this point We do not need Lightwave Mgmt spending time running around changing the way our financing is set up (for a measly couple hundred thousand or a million bucks) because we will not need them in the near future and once those strings are cut they will have every reason to push this as high as possible to get the best return rather than push it lower to buy more at a better price (Sell 10k shares the last hour of everyday for 5 days = 50k shares to buy 250k shares at a lower price. And like I said I’m not saying that they are doing it, this is just a hypothetical of how one could do it.
So Like I’ve said before I’m not going to sit on the sidelines and yell out snide remarks and anonymously criticize the company that is Ponzy’s job. I hope all of the regulars have their positions set, furthermore I hope that anyone that could not hold out for another week, month or until the end of the year sold enough into the buying volume last week to get them by. Soon the Biotech crowd will move in as Legman said it will get crazy with games Oh and for the record, I did not sell a single share but I was tempted too when I saw a goofy large Etrade ask come in at an inopportune time (obviously going to end the run or we'd have smoked $1.25) while I was showing my son how the market works (if I had made a trade we spoke about we’d have made 15 cents on a couple thousand shares ($300), oh well I’ll leave that to the day traders).
It was a great week, 90 cents to a Buck 10% but that is NOTHING compared to what is about to happen, like I said I hope that all of you guys are Locked and Loaded, but when this happens keep the safety on, don’t dump into it, because in the long run we are the ones that control the flow of shares into the market. Hopefully all of the weak shares are now in the hands of Longs.
Oh and Proto please when the News comes out don't run around the patch in joy smashing pumpkins.
Have a good weekend guys.
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Just put LWLG in the lil window up top here and hit the Magnifying glass above and enter.
Not sure of the reporting/delay stuff.
Perhaps Weak could give us a 101 Dummies post on legit shorting, (not naked) I'm not worried about it when they short they have to cover at sometime and pay interest while they are doing it. Most investors here are LONG TERM so as he said the technology will win in the end. I'm not sure the Shorties have done there homework as to the potential of just what they are playing with here.
IMO when they release the results they will be VERY sorry.
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Gig Started out January 2007 at 44.88 and ended the year at 20.88 I mean that is 50% loss that year which is terrible but what the heck has happened since then?
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=GIG&a=00&b=1&c=2007&d=11&e=31&f=2007&g=w
$10,000 invested in this in 2007 is Now worth LESS than $300
300 BUCKS you can not make this stuff up,,,, GREAT JOB and they lecture me, LOL
These are the CEO’s words not Mine, thank goodness for the
“3 pillars: 1. Innovation; 2. Execution; and 3. Financial Growth Engine.”
"Upon inception in 2007, we created a business strategy based upon 3 pillars: 1. Innovation; 2. Execution; and 3. Financial Growth Engine. These core ideals still hold true and strong today and have helped us become the leader in 100G semiconductor and optical components that enable high-speed information streaming. We are honored to be recognized as a Technology Fast 500TM company again this year and we look forward to future years of expanding growth."
Can you imagine where Gig would be if they were not the “Leader”?
Perhaps this is the problem
“These core ideals still hold true and strong today”
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=GIG&a=00&b=1&c=2005&d=11&e=31&f=2013&g=m&z=66&y=66
Honestly I would Credit the 6 Million Dollars in tax payers money given to Lumera and onto Gig (to make it appear a viable technology) AND to Endwave's money (to stretch out the sun setting technology) that should have been given back to the shareholders but instead it went to Gig. Oh and of course let us not forget about Swenson/DBSI's contribution of Assets but not the Liabilities.
You can not make this up, but why look back I mean it sounds like a very sound foundation.
Good Luck
The physical distance for which it takes the perk to change the wavelength to a 1 vs a 0 think SMALL
101 Dummies Perkinamine Post.
The next step in Computing and Communication.
A Cheap, Plastic, Stable, Fast Freak of Nature using very little energy to do so.
Over the new few Months there will be many investors New to the world of Light in Computers and eventually replacing Electrons in computers. So why should this happen? Most are aware that today’s technology is about as small as it physically can get and the reason is that electrons interfere with each other so they cannot put them any closer together, AND they produce heat, massive heat, a considerable portion to the energy used in today’s computers is for cooling the computers. I think it was Justin Rather of Intel onetime said if it gets smaller the computers will be hotter than the center of the sun. (So you would need a school bus sized Air Conditioner hanging off the side of your smart phone to cool it.) So this is also a Green Play. Photons are a crazy freak of nature kind of thing but somehow they can pass right through each other and they do not produce heat or experience cross talk. Used in computing soon they will be able take a single “what if” question and split it up into a 100 single questions (because it can be arranged in an array) and quickly get an answer. Does the nose on that guy match a known terrorist, etc. Electrons however must ask the same question 100 times in a row.
So what is Perkinamine, somehow The Goetzs (here in Delaware) envisioned a way to make a chromophore (a dye) that can be added to plastic (a host) that can control light by changing the waves that it travels in. This happens in one of 2 ways when you excite the Perkinamine Molecule. The first way that it can do that is by using electricity, so as the light travels by the Perkinamine and you hit it with a 1 or 2 volts (they haven’t told us yet) somehow the molecule flinches and affects the light in the waveguide. OK, Now this is really crazy but for some reason Perkinamine also has 3 Order Properties, also known as Chi3 or X3 what that means is that If a beam of light is traveling near the perk and a beam of light at a certain frequency strikes the perk it will change the frequency. (Light Switching Light). I’ve been following this for I think 8, 9, maybe 10 years I cannot remember when I first learned of it, but it was the Goetzs that figured this out. Since that time the Pop Goetz has passed away and His son Fred is no longer physically cable of working. The guys that have stepped in, picked up the pieces and moved this forward are a who’s who in the Computing/Modulating and Fiber Optics/Communications business. Oh and the speed at which Perkinamine can go from excited to relaxed is a Fempto Second, that is the same thing as what a second is to Like 37 Million years, extremely fast. Oh the government tested it to protect satellites from laser threats but it was too fast, that is it when from relaxed to excide so fast that it could not stay excited (opaque) to protect against the threat, This HOWEVER is perfect for an optical switch.
OK so where are they today? I think I was 3 or 4 years ago they invented the spacer system to align and stabilize the molecule like an egg carton holding eggs. In the past 2 years or so they have cleaned up the microscopic dirt in the molecule to make clean Perkinamine, last I heard it was about 99% clean, in doing that it enabled them to reproduce consistent results. Oh I forgot to tell you that Perkinamine is a Very Stable molecule that can withstand temperatures in the CMOS fabrication facilities that companies like Intel use. Up until this point all competing technologies would melt when they flash soldered the lil green boards used in computers. Oh Perkinamine is extremely cheap and robust, also competing technologies could not hold up to air, apparently perkinamine doesn’t have an issue with air because I remember one time they found a 6 year old slide of unprotected Perk and it produced results that were as good or better than the original Teng-Menn test. My computer just locked up, I lost my train of thought so I’ll just start rambling again, Cheap, fast, Stable Oh it does not bleach out when struck with a laser which is extremely important. OK, so you have all of these universities and industries out there that are trying to make lithium Niobate work they are getting grants, you have companies Like Gig Optix that have a molecule but it is not stable far too expensive to be practical but it works. So you will see some bad mouthing etc that is life. 2 days ago Lightwave Logic announced that they were finally able to get Perkinamine (Microscopic Nanotechnology) onto silicon and get it to work in a DEVICE but they did not announce the results, so one could draw 2 conclusions. 1 – it was slow so they don’t want to tell us. 2 – is was very good perhaps so good that they are working on something or that the company is under an NDA. One with reasonable intelligence would conclude that if it has Fempto Second speed as long as the Light or Electric striking was switched fast it darn sure would react fast. You decide.
They have taken the next step it works in a device, how long the next step will be, will it be a few days or a few weeks hard to tell, I’d say that we will know far more by the end of the year. So do you wait or invest, Honestly I can tell you this the first time that Joe Blow Public figures this out and as little as 1 Million shares trade in a single day it will double at a minimum after that who know 5-10 bucks, $3.33 is the next point that I’m looking for. You can make up names for the charts or whatever, I’m just trying to spell this out in simple to understand language that most can understand, could a scientist tell me where I’m wrong, heck yeh but I’m not a scientist.
Good Luck Figuring this investment out it is like a Drug that has just past its testing, Perkinamine will be used in MANY MULTI-Billion Dollar markets. IMO 100% sure that unless there is fatal flaw that none of us know about this company will absolutely be taken over.
Oh I forgot to tell you because perkinamine is manmade, it does not naturally occur in nature whoever wants to use perkinamine will have to buy it from the manufacture, of course that is going to make for some interesting game playing by those who cannot get it, try to discredit it.
As Forest would say that is all that I have to say about that. Please excuse the typos.
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