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math_man, correction: I'd trust someone on a message board with references, proofs, or links confirming what s/he saying.
Another correction: Websites are sometimes meant to mislead. More info will never hurt. I'm not talking about BBDA case but answering your question.
Why not contact the company? 2 reasons:
They do not always say the truth unless it serves their goals.
and would I do so when there are friends on boards like this willing to support and help others and save them time. I do the same if I can to others and feel happy about it.
math_man, I looked and read already but confirming my findings. You'd be surprised what information can suddenly jump. Double checking won't harm, or what? If this annoys you just ignore my post.
Can anyone with good knowledge about this please tell me if BBDA is in alcoholics, juices, soft drinks, or only water?
Thanx.
Looks like someone wants this baby badly. Look at the strong buying in big quantities at the ask in the last 10 minutes. I'm anxious to see what happens tomorrow.
ncpti, no one knows the future but I've seen this movie before and I know the pattern. Human nature say that when someone - even if honest and willing to work hard - when he discovers such a cash cow of selling shares, RS, then selling shares again the produces money at no effort, he will be inclines to continue in that direction. The difference here is if that person will abide to ethics and honesty or drop them for easy money. As far as I know, some of NUBV's management are replaying the same movie that they played many times before.
May God save the new investors.
Wrong ncpti, it will go up after the next RS.
Jim, read back to know what I'm referring to. I'm here to trade stocks and not to waste my time trying to fix a broken system that won't fix because this is not my mission. I'm here to trade and profit not to complain fool myself with complaints that won't do me any good. This is a scam already and we all know that.
If you wanna do something then warn others from this scam, that's the best and most effective thing you can do.
CaptainJim and mike08201, what I'm saying is not wrong because my understanding is that we are here to trade and make money. I'm not here to fix the the system. If this is your goal then good luck but you are in the wrong place. When the times comes to chose between fighting a lost war to fix the broken system or to focus on the reason why I'm on stocks at the first place then I choose the reason I originally came here for, trade and make profit! Good luck with your pursuit, I'm here to trade, period.
mike08201, not if you see things from where I do. I saw this happen in the past and saw people complaining and did a lot trying to either get their money back or at least to fix things and got none done. After a while you get saturated and know what will happen next. I saw also many who sided with Kevin's likes and ended up moving on too but after losing more. This is where experience and personal judgment come. Side with Kevin and let us know the result. I believe in results more and if I know there'll be no result I prefer not to start at all but this is just me. Good luck with your judgment.
oh, and they will NOT pay for their "illegal" behavior because it's not illegal to start with, they robbed you perfectly legally and there's nothing you can do.
and by the way, what about the previous scams where I'm sure other shareholders swore to retaliate, any news? You know what? they repeated their scams again. Let history teach you.
Please announce the "results" you get if you get any. Good luck.
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Posted by: mike08201 Date: Sunday, February 01, 2009 7:22:08 AM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 31479 Post # of 31486
And that's why these scams exist to begin with. Folks like you.
Having that 'just move on' attitude.
That's exactly what the scammers need, for us to forget it, lick our wounds, and move on. Then they have the chance to do it to another round of suckers.
No, I disagree. They should pay for their illegal behavior. Then, and only then, will these scams exist no more.
I side with Kev
ncpti, no, complaints are not necessary. I can write a lot but bottom line I've seen much worth, plain robberies, and no one got anything back. I'll agree with you if you give me any similar case where pennies shareholders got anything back, can you?
Bottom line: Don't waste your time anymore. You've been had and that's simply what it is. Admit it, learn from it, then forget it, and move on! Wasting any more time or effort on this just helps add to your loss.
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Posted by: ncpti Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:46:40 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 31479 Post # of 31483
I believe complaints are necessary! A 50,000 to 1 "REVERSE SPLIT" is only designed to rip investors of their investment! No other reason!
ncpti
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=35051081
Kevin, you really amaze me, let's see...
>They can and should report what has happened
Yes they can but whey should they if they will nothing of it. Shareholders have lost their money, period.
>I'm doing what I feel is right
And in what way you feel this is right Kevin if your and others' money is lost and will never come back.
>which is all I can do
No, this is not all you can do. You can admit the reality and forget about it. Your money has been stolen and will never come back. Save yourself the effort and time and save others the false hope that they can get anything back and let them direct their attention somewhere else where they might gain something. Somewhere else, they might win and might lose. Here, they have already lost you are still trying to convince them to play music to the dead maybe he will dance some day.
>I hope something comes of it.
Yes something but anything other than the stolen money. Maybe some time waste will come out or more loss of effort and time, valuable resources in my book that must be spent wisely.
Good luck Kevin, I've seen the same movie before and the one who played it admitted her fault when it was too late.
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Posted by: Kevin from NYC Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:42:04 PM
In reply to: GreenHarvest who wrote msg# 31439 Post # of 31478
They can and should report what has happened. People can do as much or as little as they like. I'm doing what I feel is right, which is all I can do. I hope something comes of it.
At last something right is done!
Kevin, I think you do not understand me. I do not want to "do something", I want to "do something that will bring the stolen money back". My friend, this is not an option now, it's all gone. If you believe I'm wrong, please let me know what will you do to bring the money back. Keep in mind that many have already sold because they did not want to see a trace of that crap in their portfolio to avoid having something reminding them they got duped. What will you do about that too? And don't tell me that they should've kept their measly shares and had faith.
And tell me Kevin, do you really deeply believe inside you that writing at your website will bring back the stolen money? Just think twice before advising others to go write or share on your website.
My advise, that website shows good skills. Invest that time in doing commercial work in that field instead of trying to collect the spilled milk!
I may hang around and watch the comedy. It's good experience in human behavior though.
CORRECTION:
For every million share bought at 0.0008 = $800. The 1m shares turned into 20 shares, this means to get your $800 back, the share price mush be $40 (not $20, which is even worse).
Mr. Sgarison, bad news. It's now Mr. Jones' money pretty legally. You can lay back and enjoy watching him enjoying your and other investors' money.
Congratulations, you've been scammed and there's nothing you can do!
Everyone should warn others from those scammers.
Kevin, facilitating their communication without a clear warning is a problem in its own. I do not see a big red flashing sign on the iBox or your website saying SCAM or BEWARE OF THE SCAMMERS. The problem is that there's a line still saying "to support the Nutripure Beverage line being produced/distributed and most of all help ensure that the interests of all the shareholders of NUBV are protected". For every million share bought at 0.0008 = $800. The 1m shares turned into 20 shares, this means to get your $800 back, the share price mush be $20. Do you really believe the share price will get there. Keep in mind that some even sold their remaining few shares to get the few dollars they could.
I can't really believe this. The only thing we are sure of now is that "all the shareholders of NUBV" have already lost ALL of their investments or even more for those who paid reorganization fees. They got scammed, fooled, and indirectly stolen. The harm has already happened Kevin in case you can't see it. The last one I saw believing that much in a scam woke up too late after making a lot of people lose a lot of money.
I'm sure of your honesty Kevin but your action do nothing but help the scammers repeat their number again.
My first thought to the news section: hehehe
My second thought after absorbing it: The lucky bastards, they've got their own cash cow.
My 3rd thought: Time to milk a new herd after suckering the first (on NUBV, but not the first in general).
My 4th thought: Either Kevin is seeing something we don't see, or a true believer, or naive. I saw the true believer type before and it ended up with a disaster.
And links to boards exposing and warning from such stocks so others can use them as part of their DD.
Kevin, until recently I believed you were going to do something but not anymore. Now I believe you were naive and continue to be. If you would do something, it would be preventing that reverse split disaster from the very beginning. Many of us had millions of shares evaporated and you continue to rant the same song. You will not get anything. Everything was done in a an absolutely legal way and there's nothing you could do. You've shamed them already - which is the most you could do - and that got us nowhere. Those people know no shame. These are the pennies, you take the risk and you don't cry if you lose.
Save your efforts and money and save us the false hope and move on to the next investment. By the way, I've sold already and got a couple of dollars, lucky me!!!
L8TR, my main concern is getting OTCBB and Pinks Level II to compensate for TDA's L2 shortage for both. Have you compared AlphaTrade to Quotestream Desktop? (http://www.quotestream.com/introdesktop.php?webmasterId=501&affid=) I need to know if there's a major difference.
Side note: OTCBB and Pinks L2 from Quotestream costs $39/month AlphaTrade is $48.
L8TR, which program/service was this screenshot taken from?
Gia, to help them they must first have a will and intention to deliver which most of us highly doubt now. If what Canplay mentioned in his message #29960 is true and accurate then chances are NUBV will be just another entry in the failure/scamming chain. Out of all these attempts/scams, why would NUBV in particular work? Keep in mind that by helping them we might in fact be polishing their image and supporting them to scam many others until the cow is out of milk.
mike08201, you agree with me then; a personal reward would make more sense to me. Called it revenge, personal satisfaction, punishment, whatever. However, all are not to prevent the harm and will come after the scam is already done. Whether it's worth the effort or not... that varies form one to another.
Jewalks, no it's not worth it in my opinion. The sea is full of sharks and making such a big effort to kill one of them after the hard has already been done to protect others from that one single shark while they still could be eaten by other tens doesn't make sense to me. I would prefer to hear it's for forcing the company to launch the produce or go to jail as a revenge, that would make more sense to me. Best wishes anyway in your efforts, I'm sure that whatever you do is done in good faith.
Your money, your decisions.
I don't have the links, just mentioned the way to do it.
Kevin, what's the benefit of all that? The situation now is that there's nothing legal against NUBV's management and they can legally destroy the company and get away with it. You've done a great effort so far but why? Shaming the management is worthless, they wouldn't care. I still can't get the point of all the effort you are doing without having an strong legal basis to build on. If there's a legal way to enforce them deliver or go to jail then please share it with us or at least let us know the purpose of all this effort and the website. I just want to understand.
btw, you are the only one I saw go that far to protect himself and the shareholder's, great work man.
Kevin, simply put links on your website linking to the court documents on their original location and let the users download the files from the court website. Let the links open in a new window/tab so your website remains open. You might need to put an explicit note saying "download from court website" something.
If you intend to host a copy of the files on your website or file sharing service instead there could be a copyright violation depending on the documents copyright notice so you need to check that first before re-hosting the files. Direct links to original docs are the best though.
Now the script is complete and they will start shooting the movie. I can't believe they ask the shareholders to accept this as a workable plan. It's like being unable to fill a broken bucket and instead of fixing the crack they decide to put in more water. If there's naked shorting now they must fix it first. They decided to reward the naked shorters by devaluing the shareholders value through an RS and giving the naked shorters a space to naked-short again bringing the PPS back to the floor with no bid. Forcing the naked shorters to cover can alone explode the PPS to well above $0.5 or maybe $1 at this insane O/S but instead they decided to pour in more water and leave the phantom shares undelivered!!! Great management.
The share structure and NSS issue must be cleared first before anything but now they are like driving blind.
PennyHoper, exactly. A legal action is just a joke. Look at PAIM, a state of the art scam. They robbed 95% of the public shares off the shareholders at an extremely low price set by the company and called it "mandatory buyback" "for the benefit of the shareholders". Unbelievable, they forced the shareholders to sell their shares to the company at a joke price that company itself set. Actually the shareholders did have to sell, the shares were taken off of their brokerage accounts and replaced by paper certificate. The shareholders roared and threatened by everything including legal actions and the SEC and bla bla bla and all turned out to be hot air.
Just one thing more, a year later, the same company stole 90% of the 5% originally left the same way, forced sell at a price set by the company. Until now nobody know how they got away with it not only once but twice. Oh, and they haven't delivered any of what they promised. You can also refer to a similar story about PRHB my previous posts.
From the information provided on this board alone, you'll know that you are dealing with at least one professional scammer who knows exactly what he's doing and that he/they will get away with it.
Those who threaten to take legal actions against NUBV, if you do not know exactly what you are saying and know what to do and can give detailed information then please shut up and watch the tragedy.
Your money, your decisions.
If this is the case and production is that far I wander why they kept ranting "production on October 1st" even when that date was too close while it was surely obvious at least a month earlier and the should've stopped giving the shareholders a false hope. What if Kevin and others didn't apply pressure on them to speak up? I think all the shareholders would have is silence after Oct. 1 and never heard form the company for long. That attitude is not a good sign.
midnightexpress, they are still announcing the same news after 2 years???
Gia, so it's true they don't have a factory but only a building that lacks equipment to become a factory. Could someone near to that location please visit that facility and take photos to show the shareholders what's really there?
stock upj, so you want a company that hasn't managed to produce a bottle of water yet and doesn't have the money to produce its core products to start investing in building an e-commerce website that would take time and money that they don't have to start selling retail like what e-commerce websites do and yes it would be bottle by bottle, even case by case is not any good for a company that's supposed to be selling truck by truck to retailers who in turn sell to the consumers and instead of focusing of on production they start focusing on how to distribute and deliver the products.
Selling through website means majority retail due to their nature. Website are not effective channels for wholesale which NUBV should befocusing on. This would be distraction from their role, everyone sould do what they are skilled at, a producer is a producer and a retailer is a retailer and so on. When/if NUBV covers its main role and excels at it they can add complimentary activities when they have the luxury to do so.
A website can merely provide information about the product and not even advertising which is most effective when pushed repeatedly via press, TV, and advertising on other website like Yahoo to the average consumer.
Let there be water first then everything else will take care of itself.
You can refer to Vitamin Water website for reference at http://www.glaceau.com
Grant 116, the financial crisis is everywhere not only the US besides abroad means additional cost for shipping which is not to NUBV's favor.
stock upj, selling the product through the website is not a good idea because it would be retail sales which NUBV can not deliver. Selling to individuals or small entities through a website (Amazon style) requires a specific infrastructure and delivery mechanism which NUBV can not secure now and should not at all (does Coca Cola sell cans through its website? and even though, it's Coca Cola!). NUBV is about wholesales to distributors who in turn sell to individuals through their network. Wholesales do not really benefit form a website once the relations are once established. Wholesales use websites mainly for promotion and creating the initial relations. The time, effort, and investment put in that e-commerce website and the delivery system behind it is better directed to launching the product itself. Man there's not even a product now to sell through a website or even face to face.
midnightexpress, still PHRB's mistake. If this is the reason shareholders lost their money (which imo is not) then:
- Who decided to take that specific careless company?
- Who decided to pay them in unrestricted shares that they could dump immediately?
Still I say that the reason for that is scamming the shareholders and promising them with patented production that was never delivered.
Tradeaway, $150k won't be needed if they decided to forget about Japan temporarily because then there will be no money shortage or at worst a shortage much less than than the $150k which will be easier to get. If the US launch succeeded then they can use the profits to fund the launch in Japan, makes sense?
Suggest this to them and I'm sure you'll receive 10 excuses. There will be no water and no production. Japan is only an excuse to keep the show going. Please please let them prove me wrong and launch now!
Yes exactly, they focused too much that they decided to postpone the launch six months. Chances are they are either planning to cancel the whole thing after squeezing every possible penny or in best cases have an intention to postpone it for two or three years but can't give it to the shareholders and investors community in one doze so we'll see six months after six months.
I say the reason why we received that announcement form them at all is because the pressure applied to them by the shareholders and Kevin's efforts. Otherwise probably you'd never heard from them at all until they hit you with an RS. PHRB again but this time shareholders forced them to get out of their shell. Those people have lost their credibility and their only chance to gain it back is water bottles in the hands of the investors and now.
Your money, your decisions.
Tradeaway, what brought this stock from 400+ million shares one day and PPS of $150+ two years ago to ~25 billion shares and constant PPS $0.0001 can easily bring it back again to those extreme levels. RS is almost always a death statement for any stock despite that most of the companies stick to the RS announcement a statement saying "we believe it is for the benefit of the shareholders".
midnightexpress, you missed my point. What I'm pointing to is the scamming. PHRB came to my mind only because of the water similarity but it could be a mining or energy company. The point is, similar promises, similar attempts from shareholders to protect themselves, company success in scamming the shareholders and getting away with it. No product delivered and guess what... there was a patent for a unique product!
Your money, your decisions.