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~ “COOP” Is Not Done’ … Not By A Long Shot’ … Just as One Example, the WMIH Preferred Managing Subsidiary’, which was used to pay off the Run Off Notes, and to pay KKR’s 3% Cash Quarterly Coupon, through 2017’ … Was, as documented, Running Out of Money’, … So beginning in 2018’, a KKR conversion to a Semi-Annual 5% in (COOP) Common Shares Coupon, Was Activated … and I my opinion ?, … Will Be Honored ~
The WMIH Preferred Managing Subsidiary, was placed under the management of WMMRC, the now dissolved PMI Insurance Subsidiary’
… Tooooooo Many Share’s were reverse split in October of 2018 …
… COOP … Is Not Done … Go COOP, Go COOP … There are lots of surprises coming …
AZ
~ ND9, In My Opinion (and consistently), as posted, Too Many Shares of WMIH / “COOP” were reverse split back in October of 2018’ … So ?, I Believe That This Will Need to be Corrected ~
… How or If ?, The Company Actually Handle’s This ?, … Is Not Yet Known … I would think that a corrective forward ? Would apply to All Current “COOP” Position Holders, … ie: one of the reasons for the Plan’s issuing of NewCo shares at the implementation … Which ?, were not supposed to be sold … We’ll See …
… an original NewCo position maintained ?, Yes … Added To ?, obviously Yes … but sold off ?, not a good idea, in my opinion … affordability ?, is never a market participation condition …
AZ
~ To Constantly ?, “Twisting” of COOPs”, Presented Messages ?, Also” Has Meaning, … right … ? ~
… Not Once, Has it ever been stated, that any poster was the smartest person, … only that … one needed to be smart enough to figure out’, WHO the Smart People Were … although not popular, obviously, the answer was always first ?, it was Judge Walrath and then KKR …
… neither rosebud or bopppie’ could bring it … obviously …
Judge Walraths Plan remained intact, … and KKR recognized the values … and then Acted upon the information …
… With the current small amount of outstanding and available shares, The Shares of COOP are very valuable … and “WE” Aren’t Done
AZ
~ Don’t Kid Yourself, There’s Big Money at Play Here, “the Mr Cooper Group” is a Subsidiary Group, “We” Aren’t Done ~
AZ
~ Yes, today ?, the “2”, trolling “COOP” are the 24 hour “npicker”, and now this morning, the additional “shock” foreign one’ promoter of, always more litigation (there’s obviously more) ~
Go COOP,
AZ
~ As “COOP”s Misrepresentations Are Continued, now “2” of them have shown up ~
just sayin’
AZ
~ ADDED; This “Entire” Time, Way To Much Attention and Focus Has Been Directed Towards the (obviously) Irrelevant “wmi-lt”, the delaying and now meaningless litigation, and the “75/25 to the end” constant mantra’ … which was all, always 100% irrelevant’ (all has been posted’ a lot) ~
… The WMI Reorganized “Holding Company”, … WMI, to WMIHC, to WMIH, … beyond KKR’s Assistance within the Completed “Acquisition” of NationStar … now ? simply named changed and trading as symbol “COOP” as the SEC Submissions Have Revealed, … Has “ALWAYS” Been where the financial future of the Company “COOP” was being revealed …
… the “wmi-lt”, HAS NEVER MATTERED, … and the … Newco’, now symbol “COOP”, Has Been The “Tell” Ever Since latter 2017’, … when the process, planned for the financial future of the Company, became quite clear …
Ownership of The Shares of “COOP” is also Important … the purposeful twisting of my messages, has not been a serious deterrent, … (again, obviously)
AZ
~ Correct, That Is Part of It, But Another “Firm” Was Used By KKR ~
AZ
~ NewFlow, This “IS” Exactly What Was Subsequently Done by KKR During the “Second Private Rights Offering” in early 2018’ ~
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22 that the equity committee is very interested in having a
23 neutral third party do an investigation of those retained
24 assets.
~ Serafino, Well ? In My Opinion ?, … If’ ? … There Are Continued and Incomplete “Claims” ?, the DTC Will List Them Appropriately … Now, since the WMIH Preferred Managing Subsidiary has been separated ?, I’m not sure just what we’ll see for a Released P or a K … (a 992’ and an 84’j respectfully … The 22nd is coming soon, so we’ll just have to see if and or how the 968’s are handled ~
… I believe “COOP” still has a few things to finalize … and the 968’s fall into that category … while the 992’s and the 84’s were always a separate consideration …
just sayin’ :)
AZ
~ WMI Reorganized, or now “COOP” Has Had Numerous Financially Fruitful “Entry” or Add Points’ … Yeppers, A Whole Bunch of Them Ever Since Latter 2017’ … Selling Out of My Own COOP Position ?, Has Never Been A Consideration on a NasDaq Stock That Methodically Continues to Move Up ~
… Duh …
AZ
~ Sorry XOOM’, I Don’t Believe Any of That For A Second, There Were Too Many Reveals of The True Intentions, Many Openly Stated Within Numerous First Hand Phone Conversations, Admitting to the Hard Questions ~
… However, … All of that is thankfully now ended, and over … yes, when reviewing the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub ?, and the Completion of WMMRC, the PMI Insurer ?, Yes, the delays have taken their toll …
… boppy’ did reveal some interesting information though when asked, I must say, … regarding … a few … (dont_b_kruel) of course, and (clmannnn), actually, believe it or not’, … I find the recent inundations quite humorous by the latter’, remembering those old days and conversations …
… Now ? On a Positive Note ? … “WE” Have “COOP” as an obvious forward moving investment … and’ … We have our brokers and banks, that We submitted our release and 1099’ documents to …
rosebud, could not get by the Indentured Trustee, … and KKR stepped up to “Save” WMIH, with its values needing to be shown … “Privately” …
I’m not worried, nor do I have a need to ever’ … “twist” … another’s posts, … LOL … Think about that …
ALL Is Good, … This ain’t done … Nope, Not By A Long Shot’, … Go COOP, Go COOP, … Keep On Going Coop’ …
just sayin’ :)
AZ
~ NHTrader Well ?, I Began Posting for the people to, … ~ Watch The NewCo (“COOP”) It Is The “Tell” ~ … In latter 2017, After I Sequenced and Studied the “Second Private Rights Offering” initiated and completed by KKR, …The “CHOICE to Add, Hold, or Sell was each individual’s Decision, I CHOSE to ADD “COOP” Shares Aggressively ~
… Shares of “COOP” have been available to any and all, for amounts in the mid single digits … I’ve posted many advantageous “COOP” entry or add points … now, as we are above the $50.00 pps, and projected by many to continue upwards including me’ …
Regarding KKR’s Actions, … The operative word being … “private” … WMIH found itself in a pickle … WMIH DID NOT have enough shares or cash to complete the acquisition of NationStar and J Brey would not budge on the offer … So, KKR stepped in and made a “Second”, but this time a Private Rights Offering” … issuing shares and then selling shares of WMIH to chosen participants and their affiliates …
An accounting firm was hired to “Privately” calculate and show these private purchasers the actual true complete values of the Company … the information shown was not to be revealed to the public … all documented …
… So, ultimately KKR generated the additional Cash WMIH needed, along with the increases to the share count, … which as I’ve shown a few times, … To Many Shares Were Reverse Split in October of 2018’ … which in my opinion, will be corrected …
No, my friend, “WE” are not done here’
And although post twisted daily ?, I only said that I figured out “WHO” the Smart People Were, … not ever that it was me’
AZ
~ Thanks Tacoma (no pm), This ? “this COOP” ? The mere’ symbol being used for the Reorganized WMI ?, Is Not Over, Nope Not Hardly, Not By A Long Shot’ ~
The original WMI Plan Approved releasing documents and attached 1099’s were ALL submitted to one’s broker or bank, those records should continue to be maintained … and … can currently be reviewed in ones transactions … the “wmi-lt”, NEVER MATTERED, … and … rosebud, COULD NOT Cancel the DTC’s Issued ESC Cusips … as was so flippantly portrayed in open court a few years ago, along with the JPM’ subcontractor, Bopppy’ / CS’ … Yes, The litigation delays have taken their toll, …
… A Strong Position In WMI, The Reorganized Company, now symbol “COOP”, HAS Been My Approach and suggestion as a hedge against the future, … ~ Watch the NewCo, “COOP” It is the “Tell” ~ … especially after latter 2017’ … When KKR stepped up …
The released WMI common share 968’s continue to maintain an interest still due connection, because of the WMI Capital Trust, as well as the WMI Cash Producing Subsidiary Network that Judge Walrath would NOT ALLOW to be considered in the Holding Company’s BK …
The P and K (992’s and 84’s) managed by the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub, was a part of that Original WMI Subsidiary Network, and has been both, SEC and earnings and expenses financially trackable, both pre seizure and post reorganization, all the way through to latter 2018’ …
… the DTC “CHOSE” to Activate a “Reset” on 02/11/2022 (linked) … as stated, If there are valid claims, ? They will be relisted under the new DTC guidelines …
… This IS NOT Over, … These have been my own consistent opinions, … and … as always with a powerfully built position in the reorganized company, “COOP”, now added to and built since the implementation of the Judge Walrath Plan, … Which Again ?, … COULD NOT BE Disrupted … things are okay at these COOP pps levels, using the humorous 70 plus million shares available. …
… “Go COOP”, … “Go COOP”, … Keep on Going COOP …
AZ
~ Well, … “COOP’s” 10-K and 10-Q SEC Submissions … “Must” … Be Considered In Their Entirety’, … Which is not Done, (Not Ever), … This is The Reason That A Bother to Argue, Debate, or Point Prove’ … Doesn’t Ever Matter ~
AZ
~ Yes, I Agree 100% With All of This ~
… the “as of 12/31/2021” “COOP” dated 10-K …
1) Yes,
2) Yes,
3) Yes,
… and Yes, You Are Completely Making Sense … Thank You’
AZ
~ Just Going Back Over A Few Things This Morning, Regarding (WaMu) WMI’ (Holding Company), Reorganized, to WMIHC, to WMIH, now (name changed) openly trading as symbol “COOP”, … as of 12/31/2021’, Without any 10-K SEC “Registrant” adjustments, listed subs, or the continued “ONE” Operational Sub for the Company, NationStar Mortgage LLC (that ? In and of itself ? is humorous) ~
… I’m NOT Buying It … period …
Back in 2012’, My “Releases” in order to “Participate” in Judge Walrath’s Plan for The Reorganization, had me submit my release documents to my Brokers(s) … Not to the “wmi-lt”, … My “Broker(s)” then placed my DTC ESC Tracking Markers into my Accounts … NOT the “wmi-lt”, …
Now, … ? … After just completing a full complete account(s), check, … My accounts state that due to a reorganization, my markers have been removed due to having a zero value’, … Well ? “We” always knew that as a tracking mechanism, that the ESC Cusips Did Not Have any actual value …
… Nope, No Not Hardly, … I’m sayin that “We” ain’t done yet … Everyones Brokerage or Bank, Knows Who Released and How Much of each was owned, with a 1099’ “attached” to each release form … I kept all of my copy’s … again, the “wmi-lt”, NEVER MATTERED …
… along with the recent over the top barrage of negativity, and over the top self righteousness portrayed … I’m NOT Buying into the theory’s that … “it’s all over” …
COOP, still has to fix a few things, … and my broker(s) know just exactly what I owned ? and released … and are in receipt of my 1099’s submitted …
just sayin’
AZ
~ XOOM, I Know and Agree, I just quickly went through the 10-K and There Are NO Corporate Structure Updates, … Nothing Has Changed ~
AZ
~ Willie, I’m Not Sure of Course, However through all of the changes ?, those dividends owed could ? Only be applicable to a Current COOP Position Holder … ? … ~
… But ?, I can’t be sure of course and, with a substantial COOP position built, I’m willing to continue waiting
AZ
~ Yes9, I’ve Never Bought Into That 65 Day Issue, I Simply Believe That, At A Minimum, … If ? … The Reorganized WMI, as “COOP” … Has ? or is Planning On … Using Any of those original financially producing subsidiaries, … Due to their continued REIT Status, … the 90% Rule would apply to a common shareholder ~
… We’ll see soon enough, how all of this is handled …
AZ
~ In My Opinion, … The Reorganized WMI’ (COOP) (allowed to be “reorganized” being the operative word), Still Needs To Release The Years of Earned Interest to an Original Releasing Common Share Holder’, Due to the REIT 90% Rule ~
… And, as I’ve posted … Tooooooo Many Shares were Reverse Split back in October of 2018’ … I provided the sequential links …
We’re NOT Done … Go COOP, Go COOP … Nope, Not Hardly … “COOP” Is The “Tell”
AZ
~ I Don’t See A Need For COOP To File an 8-K, for any hypothetical “Material Event”, In my opinion, … Everything regarding the Process to date, Has Already Been Properly Revealed ~
… There may be New COOP Issues and movements … but 8-K’s are not necessary simply because a shareholder hasn’t kept up with the Company’s SEC Submissions, Already Filed and Available …
AZ
~ Mr Cheese, The WMI P (992’s) & K (84’s) Fixed Income Bonds, Were Managed By A Subsidiary, both pre Seizure & pre BK, it is listed as the WMI Preferred Managing Sub, … and then post Reorganization, it was listed as the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub. … inbound funding and expenses financially trackable through 2018’ … and it was placed under WMMRC, the functional PMI Insurer. … Now Dissolved. ~
… A WMI (968) common share received its quarterly dividends from WMI’s Financially Producing Subsidiaries as well. None of the WMI Holding Companies Subs were allowed a financial consideration by Judge Walrath during the Holding Company’s BK’s … period … and the Capital Trust was never included at all …
Without any loan replacement, the Certs diminished in value ever since 2006’ … the litigation delays post the Implementation of the Reorganization has taken its toll …
… Now, … symbol “COOP” is representative of the Original WMI Holding Company …
I’m waiting to review the upcoming “COOP”’s 10-K … the Corporate Structure, How many Operational Subs are listed, an updated accounting, etc. … possibly a completely new registration is also coming … ? …
… There have been numerous positions entry points and potential adding to an existing position, ever since latter 2017’ … when KKR activated the saving of WMIH … and WMIH’s need for Cash and Shares to complete the acquisition of NationStar …
just sayin’
AZ
~ XOOM, Hello’ Currently I’m “ONLY” 100% Focused on “COOP” and My Own 100% Finra Complaint Holdings in now 7 High Powered “DIRECT INVESTOR” Brokerage Accounts, (not third party providers) and also, Currently, I’m not willing to comment on My WMB Note (Bond) Holdings ~
… As I’ve stated … In My Own Opinion, “COOP” still has a few things to do … and per the DTC’s release of information (coincidentally) also on the 11th, I don’t believe the markers are completely done … or at least not the 968’s … (per my own account information)
AZ
~ Thank You PinkZ, That’s Correct Actually, No One Can Accurately Ever Predict The Future, and So Far ?, So Good’ … Again, I don’t believe this entire transitional process is over yet, … Nope’, Not Quite Yet’ ~
… COOP … as the current symbol, is showing positive results … and the 10-K is on the near horizon …
Have a Great Day :)
AZ
~ Owning Originally Issued, and Adding Shares in the WMI Reorganized Company, now symbol “COOP”, Has Been The “ONLY” Individually Controllable “Hedge” Against a Positive Financial Investors Return, Ever Since 03/19/2012’ The Plans Implementation ~
… There Have Been Numerous Quite Tasty Available Entry Points and Advantageous Adding Possible Points … For, … WMIHC, WMIH, and in my opinion, still now in “COOP”, still even at the current prices …
… Also, … regarding the DTC Issued ESC Cusips, … and their tracking of the original releasing Plan “Participants” … I still don’t believe this is over … In my own Accounts, I’m seeing as of this morning, a separation of the Brokerage handling between the 992’s and 84’s Fixed Income, being different from the 968’s designation of an original releasing common share owner …
Have A Good Day :) … “COOP” Has Always Been The “Tell” … and the … “wmi-lt” NEVER MATTERED … and everything WaMu WAS NOT Involved in the Holding Company’s Bankruptcy … and yes the litigation delays, have now taken their toll’ …
just sayin’ … and … Go COOP, Go COOP, Go COOP … :)
AZ
~ Yepperini’ … Go COOP’, … “KEEP ON GOING COOP” … ~
… :) …
AZ
~ Thank You Bobby, You’ve Been A Good Friend, Yes, as an Investor, I’ve Always Believed that the Reorganized WMI Holding Company, WMIHC, to WMIH, now trading as symbol “COOP” would be a great investment and place to ADD to the Reorganizations “NewCo” Positions Originally Issued at the Judge Walrath Plan … ~
… the “wmi-lt”, the debtor hired restructuring component and the losing litigation delays have NOT been helpful …
I Do Not Believe All Is Over Yet. … Not by a long shot, Nope, Not Hardly … So, in my opinion, ? Stand By for just a bit longer as we witness this going full circle … the 10-K is coming, the 10 years from WMI’s fulfillment of its settlement promise, made in the GSA, is on March 16th, and the DTC’s Re-Categorizing is to be completed on February 22nd …
… Again, … We’ ain’t done …
AZ
~ Well ?, The Way I’ve Read The Original WMI Capital Trust Documents (quite awhile ago) And, Attempted to “Properly” Reveal My Study’s and Research to the Group, Was Actually, As I Just Posted, ~
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=167878067
… in my opinion, the Company “COOP” will now be in a position to maintain the minimum $50.00 pps moving forward … which will allow for the “Debentures” to be utilized … again, as a company BOD’s controlled debt offering …
… as I’ve posted a lot’ … the company’s BOD’s is in charge and manages everything … the “wmi-lt” NEVER MATTERED’ …
AZ
~ After My Research Has Now Been Twisted, 48 Ways From Sunday ! (typical) ~
The way the registration reads, … If ? The Parent Company (WMI) found a need to file for bankruptcy, … and then If ? The Company (WMI) was able to reorganize … Then’, after the reorganized company’s “COOP” ability to maintain a pps of a “minimum” of $50.00 for at least 60 days … the “Debentures” would then become available for the Company, “COOP” to utilize as a debt offering …
… The above is what I attempted to reveal awhile ago, … without any of the informational twists …
Go COOP, Go COOP
“COOP” Has Always Been The “Tell”
AZ
~ Managed By The Company’s (COOP’s) BOD’s … A 90% Return of Earnings Ratio ~
Watch for the 10-K’s “Corporate Structure” coming soon …
AZ
~ You Actually Reaffirm My Points as an Investor ~
many do not have the funds to add significantly to their position.
I am sure you are targeting your comments towards a select group
but some who bought Us Ps Ks etc probably just had a friend or forum tell them that it would be a windfall...
~ No One’ Could Have Predicted the DTC “Reset” For ALL “Participants” done on 02/11/2022 … A Rock Solid Position In The NasDaq Trading WMI, Reorganized as “COOP” (the “Tell”) Was Always the Best Financial Hedge for Future Profitably ~
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=167864703
Go COOP …
AZ
~ JJ, Excellent Work, symbol “COOP” Representing the Reorganized WMI’ Was Always the “Tell”, Ever Since Late 2017’, with numerous opportunities available for a Position Entry or an ADD ~
… Regarding the Company … ? … the BOD’s Are In Charge … the “wmi-lt” NEVER EVER MATTERED ! … roses’ couldn’t cancel the ESC Cusip’s … the 75/25 to the end mantra ?, was humorous at best, … those “large-poop-brown” and company numbers ?, were NEVER EVER Coming Back to The Secondary Market Purchasers of WMI’s Equity, … and the litigation delays and their support happened …
… We’ … COOP Shareholders, Are Obviously Moving Forward, and will continue to move forward … everyone has been given the exact same opportunities …
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=167864703
The REIT Interest Returns, Remain A Reality …
… Go COOP … ; )
AZ
~ COOP’s 2021 4th Quarter Earnings Were Moved Forward to the 11th’, The Same Day That The DTC Activated Their Corrective Actions for ALL “Participants” ~
… We’re NOT Done …
My copy says, … “All Participants” … right ? … Come On, Can We Get Just A Little DD ?
https://www.dtcc.com/-/media/Files/pdf/2022/2/11/16541-22.pdf
Since 2017’ … Watch the NewCo “COOP” It Is Going To Begin “Screaming” … Go COOP …
Go COOP, Go COOP, … the “wmi-lt” NEVER EVER MATTERED …
just sayin’
AZ
~ Thank You Boris, For A Polite, Educated, and Well Stated Difference of Opinion ~
… As Stated, … I own a lot of everything, so no matter what … it’s all good over here’ …
Go COOP’ … right ?
AZ
~ And Added, … A SECOND Contentious Issue, Has Been Over “OWNERSHIP” Possibilities, ~ Know What You Own ~
… It has always been the actual company, … Originally WMI, Reorganized into WMIH, now trading as symbol “COOP”, that chose to participate in ABS Certs, Issue Debt Offerings, and pay interest returns knits financial products offered …
… These WMI Financial products, were then offered on the secondary market through a broker or a bank …
which after the reorganization lead to … Watch The NewCo (COOP), It Is The “Tell” ~
It’s all coming to a head now, with earnings on the 11th, and the 10-K soon after …
just sayin’
AZ
~ T's, I Understand That ... "75/25 to the end" ... Particular Issue Is One Of A Few Points of Contention, ... However, My Reading and Study Has Lead Me to Believe The 75/25 Was Limited To Any Distributions Issued by the "wmi-lt" ONLY, ... and that The Individually Issued DTC ESC Cusips Determine Original WMI Ownership, BEYOND The WMI "Holding Company" and its now COMPLETED Reorganization Process, WMIHC to WMIH as symbol COOP, Now, Confirmed with the Completion of the Holding Company's "wmi-lt" ~
... I would also question back ?, "why" was the WMI Preferred Managing Sub, ... transitioned into the WMIH Preferred Managing Sub after the Plans Implementation was not reviewed ... I have always believed it was relevant to the eventual P & K' (992's and 84's) recovery's ... it's on the SEC site' and its trackable' ... and shows its use to pay KKR's 3% Quarterly Cash as well as the Run-Off Notes, and that it was placed within WMMRC, the PMI Insurance Managing Sub', ... Now ? also completed' ...
... The DTC Issued The ESC Cusips' as a direct issue per a choice of ownership ... WMI's Fixed Income (992's and 84's) and the Original Common Share Ownership Released' of Course, the 968's ...
anyhew' ... everything should be coming to a head with "COOP" Earnings on the 11th, and the "COOP" 10-K Coming right after'
I hold (a lot) of "everything", so it's all good here, ... Go COOP', Go COOP', ...
AZ
~ For YEARS', I Have "ALWAYS" 1000% Disagreed With These Considerations', that continue to place the "wmi-lt" In A Place of "Any" Financial Relevance' Concerning The DTC's Issued 992', 84', and 968 ESC Cusip Holders' ~
the "wmi-lt" only paid the holding company's court allowed creditors' ... period' and its all documented'
For The 1000th Time, ... WMI's Financially Positive Subsidiary Group and the WMI Capital Trust' ... WERE NOT ALLOWED To Be Considered in the WMI BK's By Judge Walrath ...
as an example' ... the WMI Preferred Managing Subsidiary Is SEC Listed Pre-Seizure and Pre-BK Filing ... it's there
the WMI Preferred Managing Sub is then SEC relisted Post the Implementation of Judge Walrath's Plan's Implementation on 03/19/2012 ...
... KKR's 3% Quarterly Cash Coupon Payments and the Payments for the Run-Off Note's, ... Although missed and disregarded ? ... Are There in the SEC Filings' ... It Is All There ... documented
The WMIH Preferred Managing Sub was moved into WMMRC' ... the HI PMI Insurance Sub, ... which has now ALL been closed down' ...
Without arguing or debating the Documents as Filed, I've simply attempted to help with the reality as revealed within the Company's SEC Submissions' ...
... The DTC Issued ESC Cusips will be utilized for the return of any interest still owed per individual cusip received, for a proper release of WMI ownership' submitted ...
AZ
~ The Company's SEC Submissions' Have ALREADY Given ALL Of The Detailed Process At Hand' ... the Mr Cooper Group' is a subsidiary grouping ... symbol COOP ~
... Closely Following The Company's SEC Submissions, (in lieu of ? ... LOL) ... has been a "choice" ...
as stated' Consistently' ever since latter 2017' ... ~ Watch The NewCo (COOP) It Is The Tell ~ ... and always' ... ~ Know What You Own ~ ...
... Thank You Judge Walrath and Thank You KKR (the smart people) ... For ALL That You Did'
just sayin' :)
AZ