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In no partucular order ,
CFlynn ,
It sure looks like you don't like to be treated like a shareholder . A couple remarks about YOUR responsiblities and you go off like a bottle rocket . If nothing else your entertaining .
I was accused of saying some "nasty things" and what I got back was "The nastiest thing you said was that it was their own fault."
Now lets look at "nasty";
"...where are you from", dude,,,"
"HOW MUCH CRACK HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING???"
"...as for your implying I am somehow pulling a scam of some kind, f-you)" [BTW , where did THAT come from?]
"I'll tell ya this, buck-o,,,"
"(Sighs at the stupidity)....I didn't realize there was room enough up Fan's ass for two croneys. LOL"
~ I have had posts deleted and told THIS kind of thing (attacking , cursing , name calling wasn't allowed/tolerated . Apparently THAT is a selective rule .
If you (and the rest of the mob) are going to quote me , QUOTE me IN context . I never 'theorized' "...California State law firmly disagrees with your economic theory of "you've been paid quite enough."
What I said was;
"Like shareholders get told all the time by the bash/know-it-all element; it's over , move on , get a life , YOU took the risk , you should have known better , you have been paid quite enough by the investors , etc ." ~ A little different meaning IN the context of how shareholders are treated .
Anyway , apparently you are able to read things not-said/out-of-context and run like a faucet . Putting me on iggy will forego your dripping with venom self pitty .
I'll throw this in for good measure; "You are beginning to sound like that little flamer JackE Jettisoned ." And why not ? ;>)
m-bear ,
Besides making a mountain out of a mole hill , and mis-quoting; "The nastiest thing you said was that it was their own fault." , it seems like you are conceding to the fact that shareholders are unfairly resented and decent representation should be fair treatment for ALL persons harmed . Reading your follow-up posts , your having dialog is a mature way to discover another angle . There is hope for you yet .
I have NO trouble supporting employees . They were financially harmed and I am glad glad that they have an "alli" (Employment Div.) to guide/represent them .
For some reason (that eludes me) my (investors) wanting similar care/authority is somehow very selfish and wrong .
Anyway , for the future I would appreciate YOU and anyone wanting to take me to task for something I have said or implied , PLEASE provide the exact quote IN context and maybe you'll sway my thinking . TY
Avacado ,
Thanks (seriously) for your reply .
Your innocent selfdiscription is admirable . The only times I have called you and other bashers out (and I do) have been when you (guys) belittle shareholders like they're stupid and should have KNOWN Q-Frank was a scam .
May I call your (bashers) attention to the past/present fact that demeaning people is not a good way to garner their confidence/respect/consideration . Especially when the stock and company was flourishing . Pretty stupid way to expect results .
As for saving needle from buying Q-stock , I have a hunch the guy is already in . So let the guy post with the same courtesy YOU are allowed .
Anyway , thanks for your 8IGHT YEARS of diligently sitting there smacking a company and its investors even tho you have no vested interest .
Very admirable .
strider ,
I'm not sure what your gig is . Please tell me why shareholders shouldn't have legal representation/protection against embezzlement . For some reason I can't understand your destain for such a concept .
I was hoping the Bush Admin would have waged a war on stock market wrongdoing and imposed some HARSH penalties for fiduciary misconduct . Martha was a pathetic token jesture IMO .
Anyway , without said shareholder representation/recourse the markets and our country are severely crippled from the perpetration of criminal cheating .
I am hoping you are just looking for something to biitch about and don't really believe what you post . GL to you .
reddog ,
"You are nothing but an instigator, a narcissist and a chauvinist who has nothing of value to say."
~ instigator; Yeah , I can be . BUT , with the sole intention to raise an issue or check/question a posters behavior/desire .
~ narcissist; The love of or sexual desire for one's own body .
WTF are you talking about ? Once again I guess it's Ok for some to act/post absolute ridculous slander .
Moderator PLEASE !
~ chauvinist; Yep . And the women I know love it .
MY definition (not Merrian's) of chauvinism; A man that cares for and desires women to be charished and expects women to allow 'deserving' men to take a position of leadership .
Tough stance for butches I guess .
~ nothing of value to say; Perhaps .
I am going to leave your last post as a glaring reminder of the "value" YOU bring here .
BTW; Oddly enough , I get blamed for "crying" and the like , well look at the posts fired at me . There's definately some crying going on .
Don't waste your time with him. He's one twisted jerk who probably lives in his mother's basement and is forced to wash her hair and give her pedicures, hence his disdain for women. He starts the fight and then cries when anyone fights back. Read up on his history on RB under the name deadkatt. You will see what I mean.
Sorry for the long post but , I didn't want to try and keep up with people firing several posts at me before I was done .
Seeya's
"To the SEC, QBID is nothing more then a lemonade stand."
Agreed , A $100++mil vacated lemonade stand .
A $100++mil lemonade stand with many IRA portfolios and family funds severely damaged as a result of spillage .
A $100++mil lemonade stand that funneled assets out from under the holding company and its shareholders .
A $100++mil lemonade stand that cooked its books .
A $100++mil lemonade stand with a bunch of very dehydrated customers .
Yep , you got me there strider .
To the point , I haven't been specific which agency takes action . Personally I watch for the attention of the FBI , the Attorney General , the IRS etc .
"whats funny is, you equate the SEC going after pink sheets, with the labor board going after a fully incorporated company."
~ No , I equate the "value" of expense stolen and its correlation to liability .
Lets see; $100+++mil embezzled vs. $600k backpay .
Note; In both cases there are substantial tax withholding in wait .
~ What's funny IS , the labor board you speak of has nothing to wage a battle with (IE my convo w/Stevason) , nor do they have a clue of where/how to collect from the "fully incorporated company."
So , while I am trying to recruit (a lost f'ing cause) shareholder sentiment here , the precious employee litigation will probably slide off the emp div budget due to a lack of means and collection . Kinda ironic ain't it .
But you just keep on keepin' on .
You keep telling me what I say and mean . Yep .
ms bear
"....MY poking and prodding was in response to the nasty things you said about the unpaid employees,,,"
~ And exactly what were the "nasty things" I said about the unpaid employees ?
I'll check back in , as I'm curious to see the harsh manner that I have acted here .
Attention cur; Please reread my post (#265193) to you . GL
needdiamonds ,
Avacadoman has ALWAYS-been/always-will-be a basher/ill-will on Q-MB's .
Don't be browbeat for having thoughts , opinions , or honestly expressing yourself .
Unfortunately we live in a world where there are people that live to agitate and belittle honesty .
Kinda like that dumb-a'ed schoolyard punk with the low self-esteem . He bully's cause he can . In this case , the anonymity ='s awfully big britches .
Remember; There are a whole lot of real people/investors just like you reading and hoping for a positive-end/new-beginning .
Hi BruisedP ,
You are always nice to me . TY
It's funny that when I come on a MB I get poked and prodded for the stupidest of reasons . And ultimately I get put on the defensive for sticking up for shareholders on shareholder MB's .
Go figure . . .
Take care , and give em heck .
"I really wanted to be friends again :("
After checking the thread , I'm sorry .
You jumped in while others were starting a mush of turmoil on a simple opinion . Friends ?
I guess they're just coming to the aid of a (disgruntled) woman .
Anybody that's disappointed that we (shareholders) have no recourse ?
To heck with the "You shoulda known betters" , it IS unfortunate and I only spoke out of jealousy , that we have no representation .
"I don't believe you read my post very well, but ok...."
~ Indeed .
"So in review, we have employees with contracts, and people throwing money at a company assuming it will grow.... Tell me how this is the same again?"
~ I don't recall writing or insinuating that without trying to define the "value" of both .
~ Nice spin tho Jules .
In reality I was/have-been trying to equate the lack of equal representation . A fairly simple and honest approach .
IE; The employment division vs. the SEC .
In that endeavor I typically have been attacked by "shareholders" ? Hhhhwhy ?
"That's the way it's always been , that's the way you want it , that's the way it will be ." Paul Simon
Summary;
At present the employment division has filed a claim against Frank , Fan , QTN et al on behalf of harmed employees .
After talking at length with Ms Stevason , they have a very shallow case (at best) to present to the court on behalf of the Q-employees , albeit they (emp division) are willing to jump in with both feet to call the company to task .
As is/was my initial intention was to say, "Too bad shareholders don't have that same leverage/action in their favor .
May I say , until I came/come here , this MB is the weakest in interests or intrigue . If you look at the thread (pre-me) this MB looked like tombstone , (post me) people are reading/reacting .
But , since I am so dispised , AND I am quite done with the braintrust </;o) here , I'll leave y'all with your all knowing selves .
Maybe you'll find what you are seeking here ?
BTW; What was that again ?
Bwahahahahahahaha , what a bunch .
Now you can delete me until I decide to stir up the pot with reality again .
bye bye
'Reddog65 ,
After taking a littlt walk thru your history I can honestly say; BRAVO ! We are soo lucky to have your intellect here .
Keep up the good work . eck eck eck .
"You aren't making any friends over here."
~ THAT is a wonderful word of encouragement .
TY , I must be doing something right .
Strider2k ,
A couple things ,
1) I am ONLY trying to create a level playing field here .
To date , the 'employees' have come here (for whatever reason] to complain about their situation , spread rumors , act like they know something , make a case for their plight , and basically complain about anything they can find to put in print .
Honestly , I don't give a rip . That is until shareholders are portrayed as some kind of entity against employees . It is then that I speak up for the shareholders plight as well .
[Heaven forbid I stick up for investors on an investor forum}
And it is in THAT doing that so-called- employees get their preciuous feathers ruffled . In my book , TFB .
Maybe they should start theirown little MB and clutter THAT up .
2) My reference to work , whether it be money or bodies is different than yours .
MY reference is that when a person ELECTS to put their "money" to work that it shouldn't have a lesser value than a person ELECTING to take a job .
As has been said soooo often , no one put a gun to their/our head .
I am not by any stretch defending an employees rights be violated . Indeed , I am only defending the case of investors rights being violated and the difference in aggressive/decent representation between the two .
I very much disagree that;
"An investors gambles in hopes of making money."
IMO I believe an investor INVESTS in hopes of making money .
The "gamble" you speak of is the rhetoric from rip-offs and manipulators that have the audacity to get in your face while they get in your wallet .
It totally cracks me up that no matter what/how-simple/how-honest an attempted issue is brought to bare , it will be twisted and put on defense by someone . Even by invested people , with only an intent to argue .
That is bizarre but , I guess the world we live in .
Speaking of twisted; cur , please , is there an ignore button here ? Put yourself on it . TIA
Chris ,
You last post looks like you'll blame ANYONE for your situation . . . Typical American ethic . Where are YOUR responsibilities ?
Your rant is growing irksome .
Who the heck is going to pay YOU up front ?
Just go to the employment office and get in line . TYVM
You seem like a nice person , too bad you need a violin to accompany your song and dance . If a shareholder posted posts like you do , they'd be blown out of the water .
Like shareholders get told all the time by the bash/know-it-all element; it's over , move on , get a life , YOU took the risk , you should have known better , you have been paid quite enough by the investors , etc .
It's been a year ,,, haven't you found a new job yet ?
You are beginning to sound like that little flamer JackE Jettisoned .
I'm just sticking to the original statement;
Shareholders should have the same representation/protection as employees .
I really must go now , it's been a real ,,,,,,,,,,
''''' hoot .
Don't bait the katt
Are you an attention whore or what ?
I was replying to cur for making a smarta'ed remark about me being smarter than anyone else , instead of trying to contribute a worthwhile thought .
As for content , between you stupidly chasing oldtimer who seems to be genuine , and making a fuss about employees WITH representation , , ,
I'd say if there is any "content" issues , you're on the bubble girl .
cur ,
".... if you reinvested and lost your money then your no smarter then the rest of us. Crying about it will get you no where."
Never said I was smarter OR crying .
[BTW; It's not "then" , it's than ;o)]
I came here to give a voice to shareholders not having the same weighty representitive advantage as employees .
FTR; I did pretty damned good . I just could have done better . And I was speaking to the "double whammy" marketbear spoke of about employees having to deal with their taxes .
But, please , chew my butt for injecting ANYTHING that takes away from the poor employees check to check lives .
sheesh
Question for YOU; What "voice" are you here ?
"Do you, for even a MOMENT,"
Quite honestly I don't have a clue why you are here churning this subject . Maybe you are one of those hormoned gals that should take up boxing .
[I included that last comment because you are just brewing for a hassle . Please , go to the employees Q-MB]
~ Employees have an active government alli .
~ Shareholders don't .
End of thread .
Now take your case to Ms Stevason where you belong .
As far as I'm concerned;
~ Employees (30?) are out $600k (less Plasmas) ,
~ Shareholders (100's & 100's) are out $100's of millions .
* Note; I am not sure of the above tally . That $600k could include various misc BS . Either way , there is a definate lopsided loss .
FTR; That doesn't lessen my concern/compassion for any persons loss regardless of awareness/being-deceived .
Good grief ,
How does a simple discussion turn into a ridiculous mis-stated arguement with "contempt" ?
"The fact that the employees have an agency that DOES something is not the fault of employees."
~ I never mentioned fault . I am only jealous/envious that employees have a functioning and aggressive alli to seek out justice .
Are you a woman ?
"You will not achieve that balance by belittling the employees."
~ You ARE a woman ! You win !
bye bye now
",,,but IF you are looking for a job, and one is offered (in this economy) most people take it."
~Not sure where that came from but this economy is strong . I believe that Every SINGLE EMPLOYEE enteresd QTN with a groundfloor mentality of opportunity . With THAT comes the same risks anyother elment of "investment" comes .
"...they are the people who often live paycheck-to-paycheck and don't have the luxury of fielding multiple job offers in order to take the best one."
~ You make it sound like Burger King . Hello , these were supposed to be Professionals taking on a NEW opportunity with hopeful anticipation . Well , like us , they "anticipated" wrong .
* You mentioned employees "losing hard earned money" ,,, oh , and I found my pot 'o gold with McMurphy next to the bottom of the rainbow .
"Blaming the employees for a bit of loylaty is, in a word, contemptible."
~ Well spun ! I am only trying to be equal with them . No more , no less .
Later . I just thought I'd bring ,
some balance into the lopsided world of beating the shareholder into submission for being stupid enough to believe what is sworn to .
Remember; If it weren't for the market , our nation would still be in covered wagons .
We just have to figure out how to avoid being ambushed by marauding thugs that would steal an oxygen tank from a lung cancer patient , and think "What ? You still have one left ."
bye
What lured me into posting was ,
that employees have a willing and ready agency to help/guide them through their mess .
Shareholders have NOTHING but other shareholders to try to sift the dust .
And most of those "shareholders" (on MB's) are smart assed know-it-alls that love shoving statements of malice down the throats of trapped investors .
"Don't invest money you can't afford to lose !"
That is always such a joy to be reminded of .
Note; I am speaking from the persepctive of the honest shareholder . I myself am doing quite well , and have no ledges in mind to step off .
"it's going to be tough for employees to even be refunded/get credit for any of THEIR money,,,"
~ As I said , part of employee lost funds was at theirown peril . They KNEW things were dicey and chose to stay on board . Sounds to me like like a charitable deduction , not wages .
"Hows that for a double wammy."
~ How's selling Q-stock for a profit and then reinvesting in it , and then losing on it , and having to pay taxes on the "profit" ? THAT's a "double whammy" !
market ,
How about COMPLETE "perspective" ?
"Share holders may have lost more $ per person on this mess,"
~ INDEED
"Conservative investors do NOT invest their hard earned (or any other) money in pink sheet stocks."
~ Conservative workers do NOT take up employment on fly by night companies . At least not pass up better employment ops .
"Employees, on the other hand, lost money they had EARNED,,,"
~ THIS is the cruxt of the matter . Monies or bodies , earning is earning . The mantra of so much wisdom here is about "don't invest money you can't aford to lose" .
Just like the employees there was an apparent gamble . And THEY lost too . The thread is supposed to be about the emps having an alternate support system that shareholders DON'T enjoy .
"This happened to them, I will point out, while in the employ of a company YOU OWN!"
~ Apparently not ! ANNNND , they CHOSE to work PAST salaries "for the cause" . If/when the whole thing came apart , WHY should compensation be automatic/guarenteed/expected and the shareholders should just wander away ?
"Some of us can loose a few paychecks and it is inconvienient,,,"
~ And that has what to do with reality ? Losing money because of intentional corruption is an unfair loss to anyone affected .
"I'd be willing to bet most investors have the same income stream as before, unlike YOUR employees."
~ I'd bet that most employees have the same IRA as before , unlike YOUR investors .
I know marketbear and I are on the same side but , I just hate it when people are willing to squash someone on the way to the bank .
I have NEVER thought the employees should lose out , and I diss ANY accepting factor that thinks shareholders somehow deserve what they get .
Sorry , that's just the way it reads when it is (routinely) said , "don't invest money you can't afford to lose" .
needdiamonds ,
You make a simple/obvious/compelling point;
Simply put , it's too bad shareholders don't have an ACTIVE agency to watch-out-for/protect honest shareholders like employees have at their beck and call .
Case in point , employees are not an ounce more deserving of fair representation in unfair/illegal activities than shareholders of a (public) company . In the truest sense of capitalisitic ideals , work is work regardless of whether it is money or bodies .
Quite honestly , an investor has a VESTED interest which perhaps carries a more significant jeoprody than an employee whos exposure is possibly/ultimately much less .
cabo ,
"Lets see who actually gets convicted.
~ It's not a criminal hearing . Yet .
"Meanwhile, it doesn't seem to have any affect upon our shares. They are still worthless."
~ I think it's relative to recovery/prosecution in general .
As some claim BK absolves Frank & co of indebtedness , if they can show Frank/Fan are liable to employees , the next square would be liabilty to debtors and shareholders .
Whether "collections" ever sees the light of day , the pure justice of criminal prosecution will be something better than the pure "in your face" screwing so many took .
Here is a link ,
http://www.highanglemedia.com/content/index.php/corporate/company_information/company_biography?eZSE...
Sending an inquirey to them as I write this;
Hi ,
I thought I'd take a minute to inquire as to Summus's Biz plan for 2007 .
After the many previous press releases , I find myself wondering of your direction concerning growth and shareholder value .
To date , one could argue that all that has been accomplished is Dan Burgess has sold one hell of a lot of shares (SMMW) into an already saturated market .
I am not here to make a case , I am here to discover what you might have to say , and hoping I find integrity in my investment .
Thank you , and I await your thoughts .
xxxxx xxxxx
xxxx xxx , Oregon
Question;
Has anyone contacted ANY of the mugs in the above SMMW synopsis ?
Seems like one of em would/could shed some light .
I'll give it a go but thought I'd ask .
Profiling ! ;)
HUSTLA,
"OT: FTR, the float was 15.5 billion, not the o/s."
~ I am very reluctant to comment on ANYTHING Q due to the "knowns" being unknown as can be but , for the sake of convo , MY recollection is a 9+bil float and 6+bil restricted . If the restricted qualify as float , you gotter .
* Might as well finish the thought; Does anyone have a handle on the current Q"float" ? REcent T/A quirey ?
h24ever; "illum, funny though, you and i allways got along"
~ Let me guess , some of your other pals are/were Charley M , Ted B , and Hannible Lector ;)
Come on now alien , I know this post doesn't "benefit" the ihub SMMW communitty but , if we can't have fun why bother ?
Perhaps someone can bail me out here and offer a "Summus update" .
Sounds like a morning show news blurb .
FWIW; Summus IS a pretty cool name . I don't recall the outcome but , didn't Dan have a "Name the Co" contest ? Did Summus come from that ?
Good morning , is it cold where YOU are ?
Whew !
Jasee the "spitting incident" ?
T.O. spitting on me or one of my team mates would set me off like a C-4 pinwheel .
He might be in good shape but , he reminds me of the typical schoolyard wannabe toughguy . Did you see him squirm when Dion S busted him ? All fluff No Pow ! He looks like a little boy with his Elmer Fuddish apology;
"Uaah , I'm sawry , he he he he" . Pafkingthetic
If I was Jerry Jones I'd put TO's ass on Ebay TODAY !
Sometimes it's better to graciously smile and tip your hat .
</;)
I must be getting old , or that prozak is finally kicking in .
Go Chuuuuuurgers !!!!!!
A couple things ,
illy;
"His posts of enthusiastic buying of QBID, when it's O/S was way higher than SMMW's is now,,,"
~So as to avoid the inevitable battle , please stick with the facts .
I will admit to not catching/understanding Q's increasing O/S as it was being poured down the throats (aug/sept '05) of its shareholders . I believed Frank O . And that's one of my guilts I'll live with along time .
FTR; Q's O/S was 15.5billion shs (at that time) , not SMMW's 75billion we were talking about here .
[Please don't bait me to speak negatively of SMMW . I am on the pro side of this ,TY]
~*~ You were onto the FF before me ............... 1 for you .
~*~ I recognized the potential of PRRM/SMMW before you . 1 for me .
After I found out (got up to speed) that Q's O/S was gaining serious weight I fell off the band wagon in a BIG way , and began to demand an accounting . And if you remember , I caught ALOT of flack from the forum for changing uniforms .
That's not to say I didn't/haven't HOPE(ed) for a miricle after that but , I sure as hell lost my jerzy .
alien_scones ,
[If I had a sub I would answer PM]
"the message was deleted because it did not benefit the IH SMMW community."
~ TY for pointing that out . I'll try to garner the "benefit" from EVERY post on the MB .
~ I won't repost on RB unless mntmn prods me . But thank you for the honorable C&P back to me . I thought it was pretty good .
Seeya's
Go Chargers !!!
gorbec1 ,
"dont need anyone suport if you dont believe dont buy..."
Too late !
I have owned PRRM/SMMW probably before most here .
I's just trying to have the usually undesired convo with a fellow poster posting odd "facts" .
~ See Me and mntmn ;) Or should I say , see mntmn .
Have a good'n .
gorbec1 ,
"ceo has pr several times no r/s but why should they they own over 50 bil shares imo"
~ Apparently you have illy's (questionable) support .
*Note; It's gonna take some real influence to get me to accept such a turnaround from illy .
Given that , I'll ask you for convo sake , how do/can you substantiate that ?
And FTR IMO , Assuming that 70bil A/S is close ballpark , a 20bil share O/S is still a hell of alot of shares for a company with a suBBB $10mil tangible MC .
If Dan has chosen to invest (which isn't a bad thing) into M's & A's , instead of reducing the share structure , then sumpin's gotta give .
*Note; I am NOT a R/S flag waver but , without a R/merger/split/aquisition I'm left hanging in the breeze .
Care to draw up a doable followthrough for current events ?
illy ,
Being the first sincere/humble (seeming) post I've received from you in well over two years , I'll take your sentiment into consideration .
You must agree , there is ALOT of spilt/venomous milk poured out by you .
Not being a grudge holder , at the very least , I accept your apology . It's certainly about time .
bleep1 ,
"Does anyone see or predict a reverse split down the road?
If so what is you opinion of how large?"
Seeing as how "predictions" are more appreciated than sincerity , I'll give'r a go .
~ 70 to 1 .
Unless we have been bamboozled with the A/S , I'd say a 1billion A/S would put this pinkie in range for growth .
Man ,
I forgot;
~ To C & P my last post # 36687 .
~ That this MB/moderator doesn't play fair .
Even when it's an honest answer to (#36674) a poster that flames ME up in retaliation .
FTR; For those eyes that seek enlightenment , be reminded that iHub is closely edited , only allowing acceptable agenda's .
I WILL C& P this post and if it's deleted , I'll post it on RB .
A question to the moderator that I will watch for in my mailbox;
Why did you delete 36587 ? In the end , it supported SMMW , AND mountain man .
Was it toooo real ?
Thank you EP ,
The reference of "freezing tax selling" was about a possible effort by other sellers wanting to eliminate competitive shares from being sold into a saturated market .
I hope you're right in your confidence .
It'd be nice to see a change of .0001 scenery .
To date , like so many pinks , bashers & pumpers rule their respective days .
Good luck ,
I just read mntmn ,
Has this guy EVER been right ?
I have a gut feeling he is just trying to freeze ppl from tax selling (his 2 week prediction) before years end .
Where does he claim to gather his opinion ? Somewhere other than his intellect I hope .
I have tried to engage the guy in the past and he's so full of hot air I can't stand to read him .
Any opinions on him ? I have a few but , for the benfit of the-doubt/entertainment I'll leave the floor open .
Sitting here , I am trying to figure out , , ,
, , , why in the heck did Fan want to take Q-television over ?
EVERYONE knew it was going to take cash to get it back on track . I can't recall ANY money pumped into it post Frank .
What was the last debt call ? $6-7mil ? THAT seems like a deal considering the potential we all bought into .
As I've mentioned in past posts , If the assets were funneled out of the shell , why didn't Fan start an action to recover . It WAS stated publically in print what the assets were and that they were owned by TMM/shareholders .
Does anyone know or has heard what Q's current situation is ?
I know that sounds kinda lame but , I'm not sure how a company can just go poof . How can Frank just waltz off untouched ?
In the old days there were some pretty good detectives on board . What happened to them ?
Thanks for the tip ,
Next time someone calls me a "dope" because I invest in a stock that runs from .0001 to .028 I'll remember to sell immediately after I "assimilate" the 24/7 marathon of ridicule , mis-direction and nonsense .
See , old dogs CAN learn new tricks !
~BTW; How do I know which "bashers" know WTF they're talking about ? By their friendly demeanor , or their straight shooting and factual comments ?
Seriously; As I began a few posts ago , I guess we all know it but , the thing investors have been HUGEFKINGLY reminded of (learned?) with Q is , there is treachery waiting around every corner .
Lata
You may differ .
But , the "hard facts" posted were never substantiated factually AT THE TIME . They were just "bashing" claims amidst the myriad of "basher claims" . And they were presented with IN YOUR FACE FK YOU ATTITUDE that absolutely diluted any import . And only much AFTER the fact were these claims substantiated .
The only "red flags" (besides Franks drunken CC and Hotline garble) was the pps slipping on good news .
No matter the news ,,, sllllllllip , point after point .
That's my recollection of the FACTS .
Like I said , IF the constant bash sydicate that plagued this stock were genuine they should have spoken (FACTS that could be substantiated) with the humility of human concern .
I know that reads pukey but , I read the billions of ram wholey focused on belittling people and laughing like they (the basher) were privied insiders offering nothing but slander toward the company and its investors .
Everyone thought they were shorters , manipulators and your basic comicbook basher which in fact , they were .
That's not to say I buy the "short" senario the "Get your certs" contingeincy now rants .
IMO , Certs are for people with bad breath !
Anyway , I believe the bashers that ORIGINATED with this stock are part of the plan . Period !