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Hey Orca, I thought the unrestricted shares and the float, were one and the same. Is that wrong?
Could you please explain to me why you would buy and accept certs that you can't even deposit without major hassle when all my shares sit electronically at the broker I bought them from. I have bought and sold them numerous times with no problem at all. It seems that electronics and the internet have deemed certs a thing of the past. I'm guessing that maybe you simply insist on the physical certs? If so, why are they such a pain in the butt to use? If you can't deposit, you can't sell and if you can't sell, damn.
Tia
No one seems to be able to explain where all the alleged infringers (that would be, according to lord Emu, every voip service provider on the planet) got the vplm patented technology from. You all (pro side) believe they all stole it. They all were of the same thieving ilk...and they all stole the same technology. You've made that clear numerous times but when you are asked where they ALL stole it from, then you are transformed into crickets. If you cannot answer that question then your assertion/theory doesn't hold water. It's an excellent question. Doesn't matter who asks it. Doesn't even have to be a reply, but just a post. Triple dare anyone to give an intelligent answer that can be vetted.
No one has the guts to honestly answer the question..... If you had the cash, would you buy the patents suite?
toofunny
toophony
Vplmtele-phony
Good ol sub penny beckons...
It's the same as lord Emu of eGIPPed doing the selling... you know, the same Emu that said he's never sold a share and never will until the shareholders are benefitted. Of course and as usual, he's totally allowed and encouraged to tell lies like that. And he knows that mass hysteria mental cases will keep feeding him by making regular donations to the lord Emu go fund me... He says to Barbara: "see, I told you this would work".....
Well, I still believe the avg will stay in the 2 to 2.5 cent range because my feeling was if they let it get too low, the whole thing would fall apart. But in spite of what I think, I see it slipping lower and lower apparently in direct conjunction with all the indiscriminate insider selling. I think one has be mental to defend it or say it's no biggy. That's an easy "tell" for paid pumpers. Anyway, this stock has previously spent so much time around a penny and subpenny, that it prolly misses being there again, lol. The only thing I'm as sure as I can be about, is that the vplm ship is never gonna come in because I don't believe the patents are all they were cracked up to be. Whether I'm right or wrong, I'm ain't holding my breath for the 50 cents I want.
Prophat....trying to decide if your in the process or already off the rails. Kind of on the fence.... I rcvd an email from you with a post. I cannot find the post on the msg board so I don't know if it was removed or some technical issue, whatever, so this is the reply.
Good thing it was relatively short cuz ea and every point was wrong. It almost seems like you graduated from those inadvertent contradictions to now getting every point wrong and well.....I'd be remiss if I didn't thank you for the genuine entertainment, even if you're slyly doing it on purpose due to some wacky psychological experiment or something. I mean it's as difficult to get everything wrong as it is to get everything right. Thinking you might deserve some kind of congrats for batting 1000%.
1. Lol, I don't care that you don't care whether I believe you or not. Why should I? That's kind of silly actually. My emphasis was not about believing or not believing you. Rather my point was you email story was baloney sliced to thin and I wasn't buying. Do you really think it matters to me that you state you don't care what I believe? Sounds to me like you making it about you (believing you or not) when my intent was to reveal the email as BS on merit.
2. You twisted my words to suit your trip. I did not say I'm not confrontational. I fact I admitted to being confrontational with the caveat that it's not for the sake of itself. I made it clear that I confront things that I feel are worthy of it. There's a big difference but apparently you didn't catch that differentation...
3. I did not outright call you a liar, I said the email story was bull and I gave supporting reasons to back my contention up. I'm generally not a name caller.
4. You're wrong that no one engages me. Many have on many occasions. You included. And I purposely didn't reply directly to you or make it about you. I made my observations about the email "story". I have been replied to tons of times both positive and negative. There's around 25 followers and many PMs as well, although i don't really care much for the PMs in most cases. And there's also the ones you never get to see because of removals, like yours, which will prolly get this removed but you'll see it in email. Wait, that's wrong. You won't get the email cuz it's not a reply to you so maybe you'll see, maybe not.
Lastly, your lol, "offer" of a $2k bet is as silly and phony as the email from lord Emu (which I happen to KNOW for a fact that it does not exist...). You know as well as I do or anyone else that betting for money here is not possible or plausible and so I can only surmise that you feel you puffed up with that folly. Like I said....transparent...
Look, it's not the end of the world that you're busted about the fantasy Emu email.
All the bullshit talk about alleged settlements is designed to try to scare other alleged infringers to settle. Guess what? Ain't workin... Another fail.
According to a poster who reported having spoke to INya pockets Inza, Inza was reported to have said there was an Amazon settlement and it was good for shareholders... No 8k filed. Nothing about it in the 10q. A settlement is definitely a material event of great interest shareholders and should've been filed but vplm knows that it can do whatever it pleases and get away with it cuz nobody gives a crap. What about super lawyer? Nah. He don't care either. The say what they want in the form of misleading lies, they do what they want and no one cares and they kick back and collect zillions of dollars on the shareholders backs. Lord Emu and super lawyer haven't got the balls to put out a PR that addresses the selling and the failures to file what's necessary. They're laughing in your face while you say "take more take more"...
Better speak up or do something mr super lawyer or you might wind up as an accessory....
Settlement being reported to have happened. Where's the money? All the monies that vplm generates (zillions) goes straight to lord Emu and his merry band of pranksters. Used to be the so called
The faithful think he can do no wrong and that's exactly what he counts on. He knows they facilitate him and he loves it.
SEC couldnt care less...
He's getting back for all those past failures. Him, wife and the cronies will ride it down to the ground and disappear. Look for his restaurants to be sold off next.
Hey Mr super lawyer..... You better do something or say something soon. You're all caught up in it now pal. Even the rats will jump.
Vplm insiders = Sleazy money...
What a bunch of crap. There is no damn email. Total bullshit. It's another indirect contradiction. If there was an email showing lord Emu being rude, mean, nasty, selfish, et al, then since there are still a number of shareholders who see him as their guiding light and savior, who hold their best interests at heart, then posting the email would show them the real truth about who he is in relation to shareholders. Additionally, for a ceo who is so damn tight lipped about putting out info for shareholders, there's no way in hell he'd send an email like that. Plus he wouldn't risk showing his true colors in an email that could be easily shared. So I call TOTAL BULLSHIT! There is no such email. I GUARANTEE IT!! . HOW TRANSPARENT...
Whoop deep do
I've been studying some patent law via a patent law firm. I came across something that at 1st glance, would seem to contradict what I've been saying about the separation of patent validity and patent infringement and that the trials are about infringement and not validity as some insist is the case. I fact I was ready to post that I apparently was wrong or at least partially wrong. However, a closer examination of the apparent contradiction to what I've been saying, turns out, I think, to support my contention fully. Sometimes the way a piece is written may be or cause ambiguity.
1st, I'll post the sentence that appears to contradict what I've been saying. My previous post is there to show the apparent conflict and comparison to the actual law. Here is the apparent conflicting statement of law that makes what I said previously sound to be wrong:
"1. Ownership of a Valid Patent
The first general element of a patent infringement claim requires proof of two specific sub-elements: ownership of the patent in question, and the patent’s validity."
Ok, that seems to contradict my contention. But now read this, from the same set of laws and from the same patent law office...
"Registration with the USPTO involves an extensive review process before approval. Issuance of a patent therefore creates a presumption of validity."
Well, I have been saying EXACTLY THAT over and over many times for years based on common sense and as I've noted, that usually turns out to be right once all the rubble is cleared. Those 2 very points..... That the uspto is the go to and makes an extensive review, which by the way, is far more knowledgeable and expert that anyone other entity that is involved in patent validity. And the fact that BECAUSE of that very fact, THERE IS INDEED A PRESUMPTION OF VALIDITY!!! That is what I have been saying so many times over and so many have said I was wrong. Well, there is the quote from patent law and a patent law firm. It agrees and VALIDATES what I've been saying for the past 6 or 7 yrs, unequivocally.
Now obviously, it's possible for the uspto to have made a mistake or missed something and been in error and that's why there is the IPR laws as well as any other method of showing possible invalidity within the purview of the courts.
And so, there have been the challenges made against validity, essentially against the uspto, who is presumed to be right, in the original issuance of the patents. And there's been a ton of them and in my opinion, due to the powerful effect of the sawyer letters, across the board, all the IPRs were ruled in favor of validity. Original validity. Nothing was changed. It's the exact same validity that was part of the original patenthood. So that's what I've meant, all along, when I've said that the IPR rulings left nothing gained nothing lost, although I have tried to remember to include the estoppel rule of law, as I was told about here, that says that past validity challenges cannot be brought up again which is an important thing. There were many separate and specific challenges made and many of them were duplicates of other claims, but they've all been ruled on in favor of vplm and so that at least keeps things moving fwd I must admit. But those things above only applied to the initial bringing of suit. 2 basic things that have to be gotten out of the way 1st before moving fwd and given the IPR history, that prerequisite was out of the way immediately. Not an issue. So with those 2 things out of the way right off the bat, all that's left is INFRINGEMENT. PROVING INFRINGEMENT! And that's what I've been saying. So AGAIN.....validity is not the issue. Infringement is.
The trials have nothing to do with patent validity. They have to do with patent infringement. Many here have to learn that the hard way. Validity and infringement are 2 different things. Vplm has sued for infringement. The patents are already valid and have been since the day they were born. Just because the defendants have tried, as one tactic, to have patents invalidated, doesn't mean the court is not tasked with finding infringement or no infringement. The court is not tasked with finding validity or invalidity. No need unless someone is still claiming invalidity. It's a out infringement.....ie, whether or not the defendants are using the patents. That is what is what is on the trial table. Infringement is what vplm has sued for, period. No vplm patents have ever been invalid. They are all valid patents and I think the only thing ever gained by vplm in all those IPR positive outcomes is perhaps estoppel, ie, that any of the invalidity claims brought up before in all those many IPR trials, cannot be brought up again, as they are settled without predudice essentially. I think that ship has sailed in terms of any defendants trying being up any more invalidity claims. So regardless of all the delays, the trials are all about infringement and not validity. In my opinion, vplm will not be able to prove infringement. In my opinion their sole hope is to scare the defendants into settling. It's possible, I suppose, but I don't think they can do so...........and THAT.......would be the ONLY reason there has been no settlements so far......because the defendants KNOW they're not infringing. If that turns out to be the case, then it all comes together and makes sense. I think the defendants thought trying to show invalidity was simply a shortcut for them or so they thought. Most of that was done via the IPRs and the IPRs were designed to to be cheaper and faster than regular trials that take longer and cost more. They had to do something or be found guilty by default. So my prediction, which I hope I'm wrong about, is that come February, there will simply be more monkey wrenches thrown and more trial date pushbacks.
As falsity slowly turns to truth......the rocket docket ain't so rocket...
The super lawyers ain't that super....
The pps slips ever lower...
The IR doesn't answer the phone...
The CEO promise to never sell shares ain't much of a promise...
The ship coming in is more like sinking...
Someone recently stated that Barbara was only selling a small portion of her shares while the truth is she's sold more than half and made millions and millions of dollars...
Alleged best position ever is inside selling vplm out AS FAST AS THEY CAN...
Patience is a virtue forever changed into a sickening dirty phrase...
CEO convicted of unjust personal enrichment and breach of fiduciary duty.....apparently likes those labels and continues on that same path. He says he is pleased with everything...
Nodal testing results for patents never revealed...
All the various promises of offers on the table and imminent deals to sell were mere lies...
The south bank debacle was just that and Sawyers promise to update on it, never came to pass so that was a lie also...
Almost all the past BOD left the building...
Communication from what had been a communication company is mostly non existent...
SEC filing rules are broken on a regular basis and vplm is totally allowed to do so. No one cares...
19 year avg is roughly 2 crummy cents...
The anger and frustration of the shareholders grows every day...
The so called market cap is a meaningless joke of a number...
The self proclaimed leader of the industry.......has zero followers...
The CEO has been claiming to be the founder of vplm for quite some time now but it's a bold faced lie...
Sorry.... I ran out of ink
Many have totally changed their sentiments about vplm from pro to not so. Many of same group now sit on the fence. Many are seeing cracks in the facade and having doubts creep thru those cracks. Those who are quiet about or attempt to justify the massive insider blasphemous selling, are fewer and fewer everyday. This is what I knew and indirectly predicted would happen long ago and it's coming to pass as far as I can see and hear. Not at all surprising. I'd love to hear how many still believe in "vplm is in its best position ever"? You should speak up if you believe that, so you can bolster your sentiment and brush aside the apparent erosion. Myself and others are anxious to hear your votes of confidence!
I could be wrong about anything but what I see is a house of cards in its last throes when seeing the inside selling out as fast as they can, no exaggeration, and doing so at a time when the faithful say is imminent ship coming in time. Something very very wrong here. Some/many/most? can see that the top of the pyramid is scrambling to get their millions and vamoose and THEY KNOW FULL WELL THE HURT AND THE FEAR AND THE ANGER SO MANY OF THEIR RETAIL SUPPORTERS NOW HAVE AND THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO US! NOTHING! yet there are those who defend this behavior because they are blind and treat lord Emu like the 2nd coming. He can do no wrong.....what a joke......a not funny joke...
Also prophet, I do not "enjoy confrontation" in the way you framed it. The truth of the matter is that I am into arguing but never for the sake of the argument and only when I believe what I'm arguing about is worthy of the argument. Same is true of confrontation. I do not like confrontation for it's own sake. But when I truly believe something deserves to be confronted, then I will engage. You could not show that I've done differently and I think that's a fair and decent attribute of mine. I have a very good sense of what's right n wrong and will go out of my way to defend what's right. I can be wrong sometimes, but not usually, as things eventually turn out.
I have never wanted to attack you nor do I think I have done so. If you think I have attacked you, in any real sense of the word, please show me specifically how and where. I'm sure I could, given the opportunity, show how my intention is not to attack. I have no desire, as many here do, to attack anyone unless they truly are deserving. I felt with you, I was just being academic in what I was saying. And definitely, my thoughts as to you being contradictory were not intended to be a personal attack. It was really a light hearted observation I made cuz that's what I saw in numerous of your posts. I even suggested that you're not even aware of it. In fact I also thought you might be doing it on purpose as sort of a joking or form of sarcasm. But no intention to make you feel personality attacked. I wasn't making you out to be a liar or purposely deceptive. I just wanted to point out the apparent contradictions. I'm pretty sure someone else saw the same thing a few weeks back. Anyway, I've no desire to personality attack. But heck, when you tell someone that the action they are taking is a waste of time and cannot do any good and instead advise them who to write to......and then finish by saying that if I take your advice to direct my concerns to who you advised it will also be a waste of time........well, I'm sorry if you can't see the contradictory bent of that but I do and I'll bet other can see that as well. Don't take it to heart as it's just an observation that I think you just didn't realize. Sorry you took me wrong.
Wow. It's absolutely uncanny.....you've done it again, apparently contradicting yourself and from reading your post, it seems you just don't realize you're doing it. This time you open by saying you really don't know what I'm trying to say and then you write a post that reflects that you DO understand what I said and you try to refute. But your getting things wrong. It seems to be a combination of not reading what's said carefully enough and not understanding some..
I did not say or imply anything you said was not honest. Saying it's a waste of time for me to send my concerns to Hudnell is wrong because I purposely did not directly send anything to Hudnell. It would be easy to do that if that's what I wanted to do. I simply made an open post here directed at him. I have reasons to believe he reads this board and even if he didn't, I believe the msg would get to him. And even if it did not make it to him, is besides the point.. The point is it's become for shareholders, in my humble opinion, to become a little proactive about what is going, esp as their value and monies are slipping away fast right before their eyes and in no time, it could be to damn late to do much about it. I have seen and personally experienced all this before, big time, and see everyone lose everything and managers get fined and go to jail after years of promises and lots of pollyanna support by those who think they are so smart enough to know what's going on. I've seen it happen with a company that was around for near 50 years and had a beloved CEO who was the CEO for decades. There were even govt reports that backed up the claims of that company. It was a saga that goes beyond the infamous vplm story. And I was involved for 5 yrs. It could easily have made 2 or 3 hit movies.
Back to the point of my post. For one thing, it was my way of expressing myself and how I think numerous others feel as well. I called for a PR to be put out where Hudnell could add or be quoted with the opportunity to say something about what I called for. I don't think that would be prohibitive. More and more shareholders have been getting quite antsy about the developments, esp the insider selling and at some point when enough peeps voice their incredulity and anger, more and more pressure is put upon the company. As I spelled out, I have zero interest in complaining to or send questions/concerns to the Emu or the IR as I have zero trust or faith in them plus anything they have to say is so subjective and biased and ambiguous and non specific, that it cannot be taken seriously and has little to no value afaic. If the msg got thru to Hudnell and if he's a good honest man, he could give some sort of response if he saw fit. But I am not really expecting or counting on that. More so, I just wanted to say my piece and put it out there. I hope it might be a catalyst for others to follow thru on and also voice their concerns and outrage at what's happening and to direct it to Hudnell because if I'm right that Emu and the IR and wife, et al, are not interested in the best interests of the shareholders, then point concerns to them is what the real waste of time is. But assuming that Hudnell is not a party to any hanky panky and if he cannot in his own thinking, justify the massive selling off and the lack of info and the failures to file necessary reports, etc, then maybe he would also see the need to do something about it because if he didn't even so much as recognize any of it, then that makes him somewhat suspect as well.
So my post was intended to express one shareholders outrage and hoping it would spur on more to do the same and if nothing else, maybe to embarrass Hudnell a tad, into maybe having so thing to say, attached to a PR. Of course, if that were allowed to happen, whatever Hudnell might say, of course would have to be in support of vplm. And if he said anything publicly in support, while at the same time, knowing that things that are happening are not quite right, well then again, it puts pressure on vplm to put out something and whatever they put out, if they do, we the shareholders can use to help discern it everything is on the up and up.
I'm speaking up cause I dint like what I see and I'm encouraging others to put some pressure on the comoany. If you think it's better to send an email direct to Hudnell, that's fine. I just chose to do it my own way. And I know my post was no waste of time.
winorloseitsyourstochoose
Thanks for the compliment. I completely disagree and I assure you I know what I'm doing, tho it may not be obvious...
1ST of all, lord Emu of e-gip or Rich "inYA pockets" Inza, as I have said before, ARE THE LAST PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH or EVEN THE MILKY WAY....that I would voice my questions, concerns or complaints to. After after all, if I think they are bad guys.......which is no freakin secret ah must say......then how dumb would it be for me to put my trust, faith, belief, or even take them serious to so much as a plank length degree? I mean c'mon, give me a break... You can't be serious. That's fine for those who believe he is their end all be all savior but obviously you know that ain't me.
I've also gotta make note that of the last few of your posts that I read, I noticed a certain theme or recurring anomaly if you will. I'm not sure if I mentioned it or not but I don't think I did. I notice something really strange that you do somewhat consistently. It's so blatant though, that you make me wonder what's up with you..
You write something that has a basic theme and then, usually at the end somewhere you completely seem to contradict yourself but in the weirdest way. I wonder if anyone else notices this. As a matter of fact, as I type that I believe I remember another poster like maybe a couple weeks ago, saying the same about a particular post you made. Anyway, this time, here's what I mean...
You go thru this whole thing trying to explain to me how I'm going about this the wrong way or my post was in the wrong place to the wrong guy and you suggest how I should do it and to who... Ok, fine. I would have simply responded basically how I did above..... BUT......then, near the bottom, in my way of seeing it, you completely and totally negate and contradict your whole post and make it moot by saying: "He would either ignore it or respond in a very hostile manner. the prophet"
Somehow I think you must know how ridiculous that is....?
In any event, thanks bigly for the entertainment. Funniest of the week. I love this board. It allowed me to cut the cable.
toofunny
Thanks for the compliment. I completely disagree and I assure you I know what I'm doing, tho it may not be obvious...
1ST of all, lord Emu of e-gip or Rich "inYA pockets" Inza, as I have said before, ARE THE LAST PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH or EVEN THE MILKY WAY....that I would voice my questions, concerns or complaints to. After all, if I think they are bad guys.......which is no freakin secret ah must say......then how dumb would it be for me to put my trust, faith, belief, or even take them serious to so much as a plank length degree? I mean c'mon, give me a break... You can't be serious. That's fine for those who believe he is their end all be all savior but obviously you know that ain't me.
I've also gotta make note that of the last few of your posts that I read, I noticed a certain theme or recurring anomaly if you will. I'm not sure if I mentioned it or not but I don't think I did. I notice something really strange that you do somewhat consistently. It's so Blatant though, that you make me wonder what's up with you..
You write something that has a basic theme and then, usually at the end somewhere you completely seem to contradict yourself but in the weirdest way. I wonder if anyone else notices this. As a matter of fact, as I type that I believe I remember another poster like may e a couple weeks ago, saying the same about a particular post you made. Anyway, this time, here's what I mean...
You go thru this whole thing trying to explain to me how I'm going about this the wrong way or my post was in the wrong place to the wrong guy and you suggest how I should do it and to who... Ok, fine. I would have simply responded basically how I did above..... BUT......then, near the bottom, in my way of seeing it, you completely and totally negate and contradict your whole post and make it moot by saying: "He would either ignore it or respond in a very hostile manner. the prophet"
Somehow I think you must know how ridiculous that is....?
In any event, thank bigly for the entertainment. Funniest of the week. I love this board. It allowed me to cut the cable.
toofunny
No. I feel posting it here is as far as I should go...
1st of all, if it's end of fiscal year, would it not be 10K as opposed to 10Q ?
And if you go by 3 mos from the last report, which I don't know if 10Ks follow the same timeline as the 10Qs, then the last one was on 8/16 I believe. So that would go to 11/16. I don't know, maybe more time is given for end of year reports? But I feel silly even saying this because vplm has demonstrated many times that they have no regard whatsoever for what and when SEC filings should get filed. Example all the form 4s that get ignored for like years.
Mr Hudnell, Esq,
I believe you read this board. I challenge you to have vplm put out a PR with your personal comments that assure the shareholders that all events, activities and actions by you and vplm are fully above board, truthful and in the best interests of shareholders and that there are no nefarious activities happening, including all the insider selling going on that obviously is having a detrimental effect. I know this msg will get to you and I don't expect you to respond in-kind with the said PR and want to say that if you do not, some if not many shareholders will take that as a negative and an evasion of much desired info and assurances to shareholders and if you do, it will go far to mitigate the fear, frustration and anger you may be seeing on this board because the CEO says little to nothing in this regard while all this insider selling goes on. Also, we were told there was a settlement with Amazon but there was no 8k or 10q filed. What say you Mr Hudnell?
You...made it a major problem, not me. All I did, in a friendly way, was let you know that voip is not the abbreviation for voip-pal and I told what it does mean. That's not indicitive of a "major problem" as you characterize it. It was nothing more than a small FYI is all. But then you rudely used name calling so I responded. You might be 57 but you sound as tho you are 17. And by the way, true deadheads are people of peace and kindness, not who call people nazis just because they pointed out a mistake. My prediction was correct and I predict more of the same. Do you really think I care alot about you saying voip rather than vp? I see you do. Silly. You are not the 1st person to use voip for voip-pal. I've seen it numerous times here and never said anything. This time I thought it would be informative not just to you to point out the mistake. There are some who still don't even know what voip means or is.
I'd just as soon drop it. Your welcome to have the last word.
1 time ever that I offered a correction to an obvious mistake and you call me a grammar nazi. I'd say that shows it's you who needs to calm yourself and switch to decaf. A nice person would've simply said thanks for the correction. Your "reason" that it was an abbreviation is also incorrect. "voip" is not an abbreviation for Voip-pal. The abbreviation for voip-pal is "vp", not voip. I already explained to you what voip means. You are showing your ignorance. Ignorance is OK since all it means is not knowing about or being aware of something which anyone can have. Where ignorance becomes a negative is when someone shows you your mistake and instead of accepting it, you call them a grammar nazi. In fact, that's shows additional ignorance because calling someone a this or that nazi happens when that person's does something over and over and for negative reasons. All I did was tell you that voip means voice over internet protocol and now, that the abbreviation is vp. I was only being helpful and informative. Sounds like you may be very young. It's not a big deal but your reply was rude. I predict you will likely continue the same.
Voip-pal or vplm is not "voip". Voip is voice over Internet protocol. Just fyi
"Notice Emil and the company have not said a word and continue to sell. If he felt things were going well you would expect him to do a PR on the progress and maybe hold a CC to answer questions."
Here here... That's what I'm talkin about
YIKES!!! HEAVENS TO MERGATROID!
Most likely, you're correct. It might never see a plugged nickel again. But may e something crazy happens.... Lol
After what I have seen in the pennystocks otc market for the past 13 yrs or so, I'll have to agree with you that it's foolish and somewhat greedy to not sell at a 10 bagger, at least some. You can always wait and see what comes down the pike after. You don't have to sell all. With me, I've already done ok with vplm and quit buying. I didn't want to sell at what I wound up with at 11. I'd rather wait for the miracle 50c or use for wallpaper. It's not greed. I've already mentally written them off. But you're right about someone with 100 million shares.
That's funny... It already touched 13 this afternoon. Pretty much negates talk about 15. Doink
Ya know..... That's actually a pretty good observation otherwise why would he get so mad and rude to a shareholder with legit questions. I don't even hardly believe he can be reached by phone anyway. I'd like to see a paste of the email. If this had been me and I was treated like that, you can bet I would've posted the contents of the email unless there was an expressed request not to but if there was that, then why. Lord Emu of "egipped" is a pretty shady character in my opinion. Not everybody is involved in the scam and they don't need to be. Some are some ain't. There's a ton of money to be made by all those within the support group I call the cabal. But if the MMs allow the price to go too low, there won't be any payroll for the support team, pumpers, etc etc. I doubt Allbright would have any involvement........ however........who saw my article I posted recently that showed he was not such a cool honest judge as we were led to believe. I forget the details at the moment but I recall the article showed how he figured out how to funnel almost all patent cases in wdtx to his calendar and some authorities had to step in and put a stop to it. In any event, it was clear from the article that he wanted all the cases for himself and one can only wonder why. I also doubt highly that hudnell would be involved and I think he simply never truly vetted the patents to the level of proof they are all that. I think he just accepts it is fact. On the other hand, lawyers are in it for the money not for getting awards or super lawyer status so you never know..... I think he's being used and in turn he's using vplm.
I quit selling years ago. I can't remember exactly when without checking records but it was quite awhile ago. I was day trading in attempt to recoup all the money I lost on paper when I kept buying after my initial investment at 2 cents and it kept going up until my avg went to around 8 cents and then I stopped buying and tried to recoup by trading. If that didn't happen, I was gonna never touch my shares until the ship came in. When I came to believe that ship had sailed and wasn't coming back, I started trading. There was still lots of big waves back then and the price still was reacting to all the bs hype. So I recouped all the losses and kept going to a good profit, then I quit buying forever. I can't remember if I had lots of shares left over or if I rebought them. As to selling, I think the last time I sold was I think before the spike to 45 cents. I missed the selling on that run because I was distracted by some important life stuff and just wasn't watching. After that I decided I was locked into the black forever with vplm which is good for a relative novice in stock trading and so I told myself I would only sell when it hit at least 50 cents. That never happened so they are free shares no matter what.
Well that's what I mean.... How can it go another 5 yrs if the pps goes to nothing? I guess you think it will wallow in the trips?
Oooh...it touched the 13s. Yikes. Getting kinda serious there... I really didn't think it would go that low anymore. And is there still anyone who doesn't think it's the direct result of the lord Emu and his partner? How can anyone possibly justify this as being in the best interests of vplm and the retails?
To be fair....when you said this, I believe my response was that my feeling was the pps would stay around 2 to 2.5 cents. I never said it wouldn't temporarily dip below or climb above. So, I may be wrong as I haven't done the math, but my sense is that ever since you said that, til now, the avg price falls between my bracket of 2 to 2.5 cents. Admittedly, I'm a bit surprised to see it go this low because I felt they need to not allow it to go too low, least not for too long. So I still think it will bounce around and stay with my frame. That said, I realize you know alot more than I, about how this works. But I still don't think they will allow it to go too low for too long because they need to keep that personal I spider ATM working. If the price goes too low for too long, I'm thinking there won't be enough money around to keep everything going. So that's my common sense take. We'll see what happens. I say this will back above 2 in short order.
By the way, do you think you're the reincarnation of Muhammad Ali with all that I am the greatest stuff? He is the only one in the world that I think could get away with that and still be taken seriously. But even that was just his own hype.
Agree definitely have to be some kind of naive to dismiss all the obviousness of where this would/should be, based on the hype, if it were true. Some are blinded by greed I guess. Some are obviously not too open minded to get a wider view of things. Ironically, Chang, years ago, repeatedly promised almost immediate income of tens to hundreds of millions of dollars per year in royalties to begin pouring in plus an influx of millions of new subscribers to vp service platform. I believed. Many believed. He spewed that crap for at least 2 years. It really built up the shareholder base and the buying of stock. Numerous deals between vplm and other providers had already gone sour previous to all the acquisition news, but I didn't pay good enough attention to it because it was alot of he said she said. It's simply not possible and totally against human and business nature to have such an allegedly valuable and powerful technology and not be able to sell, settle or licence a single dollar in all these years. It's THAT simple.
Bullshit is what seems to have replaced some of your gray matter. It's very simple.. I bought in long ago at a low price. 2 cents. Then, as Chang kept putting out those bold faced lying PRs, I bought his lies and also the dumb advice from the so called true longs to hang onto all shares. I kept buying and buying more and more stock as the price kept rising. My avg got up to about 8 cents. Then the price began falling alot so on paper, I lost alot of money and it stayed low for a long time.
Finally, I smartened up and began to day trade the waves. Back then, before the "boy who cried wolf syndrome" set in, it was easy to regain all my losses and make a good profit. Once I achieved that, I made a vow to myself to never again buy vplm, as by this time, I was beginning to see the nefarious ways of the company and I lost all my trust in them. And I stuck to my vow not to buy anymore. But I still had lots of stock left and I set a goal that I wouldn't sell it until it reached 50 cents. Pretty simple.
I don't come on here and tell silly lies about myself. So if you think anything I say here is BS, I assure you it's only the BS in your brain. One of the biggest kicks I get out if this board is the number of ppl who wrongly conclude that my comments are BS because it just shows me what poor judges of character they are which in turn tells me they are most likely losers with this stock with bad discernment skills. For example, while there are still a few shareholders who hold lord Emu in high regard and think he's like this great guy who fights for us and cares about us as his number 1 priority, I know what a slinky jerk he is based on his past deeds and especially now that he has, against his "promises", and thru the use of his wife, sold and continues to sell and degrade the value of this stock, kazillions of shares and watches the stock dwindle down and down and doesn't give a rats ass what he's doing to the shareholders who gave him what he's got and supported him all these years. And also doing so while at the same time feeding us the BS line about a settlement with Amazon that according to his IR mouthpiece, is good for the shareholders and then hiding the sales for years just as he also tried to hide much of the acquisitions for years by not reporting immediately as the law requires.
And there's not the slightest doubt in my mind that he reads this board and knows full well how so many shareholders are so pissed off at this yet he has nothing to say about it except that poisonous sounding "patience is a virtue" line he always says. All he does is say how pleased he is with the way things are going. Of course he's pleased...he and his wife, on with other board members and a sizable support team I call the cabal, are flush with cash and a lifestyle had on the backs of us, period.
All those with experience and common sense know this. He lies like a rug. There's only one guy I know of who lies more than him and thats djt. He's not the only one who has lied about this company but he's the head so he's responsible. The old Chang PRs, pre and post acquisition were such filthy lies there should be jail time for them. But they are allowed to skate. And the shareholders never took him to task so vplm was encouraged to keep up the charade and keep the personal insider ATM open.
1st off, I just noticed that I didn't finish one of my comments. I noted about Emu, after quitting on both his trials on day 1 after promising to see them thru, that later he said he had evidence of computer tampering by Cameron. What I missed saying is that he never presented that evidence. He's a bullshitter.
As to answering my questions, I took a look at the questions I posed in last post and the answer is no, don't see those answered. What I do see is it appears to me that you backpedaled. It was originally, as framed by you, about the integrity of lord Emu. But after I gave a partial history that to me, impunes that integrity, seems you changed your narrative away from malak and made it more about whether or not vplm gets a win, regardless of anything else. So that sent the exchange off the track. I can't argue that a win isn't a win if they win. Of course it is and if it drove the price up high enough, I wouldn't care how the win was achieved because it would mean more money for me as a shareholder. You also said we had different definitions of a scam. That's confusing to me. A scam is a scam. It's a dishonest business that works to enrich itself at the expense of its customers.
Look, I've stated before that until recently, over the years I always avoided using the term scam. That was because wasn't perfectly sure that it was a planned scam and reserved the possibility that maybe it swerved or slid from an honest company into becoming rogue or that there mightve been misunderstanding by the some or all of the BOD where they believed the patents were all that and didn't know they really were not in practice or a host of other possible scenarios that I could fathom. But after a certain number of things occurred that I found to be very wrong and very non fiduciary and dots beginning to not connect in terms of an up and up company, more and more I saw ever increasing possibilities that became probabilities and kept adding up to the point where I could no longer accept the idea of vplm being an honest company that put it's shareholders 1st. But more than anything else, far more than anything else is the main reasons I have settled on for years now about how it makes zero sense that if the patents were what we were told they were, and had the insane kind of value that was spelled out and the power of owning such a powerful control over the too form of communications the world has ever seen.....that no one would ever buy, license, settle or partner with vplm. I've heard the very few totally lame explanations for that and they are weaker than weak. I have posed all sorts of questions that if answered, would show that the patents couldn't possibly be all that and have all that power and value and not be desired by any voip companies. That's what I center on, period because I know it's against human nature as well as business nature. And that's why no one can ever answer the questions when I throw them out there as any answer would blow the cover of believability. All the claims vplm made about the parents have never been proven or substantiate or demonstrated. They just have SAID they have. A lie. Another big thing is all the blatant unmistakable lies they have told for many years. I delineated all the details before, and posted the documents. That's how I've been able to successfully predict what would happen or not happen for many years now and almost be shown to be right, while the majority of those on the pro side have been predicting things that never ever come to pass for many hears years. Everytime I say watch out for incoming monkey wrenches, they come. So the bottom line is I believe the patents are not Ll that BY INFERENCE. And I have seen the factual evidence that lord Emu has turned this circus into a personal insider ATM. NO BOUT-A-DOUBT-IT!