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Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: janice shell who wrote msg# 192251 Date:11/7/2005 1:38:46 AM
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Whoa, the New American Revolution seems to have begun...LOL
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By: yugsnioc
07 Nov 2005, 12:54 AM EST
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Email to the Chairman of the SEC. Send your own to chairmanoffice@sec.gov. Let them know we will no longer sit by and be raped. Email the chairman with your own warning and complaint. Let them know we are pulling every stock we own out in cert form. Long live the New American Revolution!
Dear Chairman
I thought it only fair to warn you of the quickly deteriorating trust the American public has in the electronic share trading system, the SEC & the DTC. A campaign has begun to encourage investors to pull their shares from every electronic account they have and take those electronic shares out in paper certificates. This is not just one stock being affected, although it was one stock that was the start of this campaign.
The consistent failure of the SEC to protect the investing public from the illegal and immoral naked shorting of stocks traded via the electronic trading program has left the investing public extremely distrustful of the SEC. The SEC has publicly admitted that naked shorting occurs and has even grandfathered such transactions that were executed before regulation SHO took affect. Yet, naked shorting continues to occur, at an ever growing pace.
A revolution is coming. A revolution supported by the masses of people who have been robbed of their assets. Robbed of the money they have worked their entire lives to earn and the money they are counting on when they retire. This revolution calls for everyone, large and small, to pull their shares out into certificate form.
The revolution starts small but it grows as more and more of the people who have been wronged learn of it. Soon it will be a ground swell. Soon the brokers will be screaming because investor confidence in the current system is gone. Billions of dollars will be pulled from the accounts held with these brokers. The massive naked shorting that has occurred with thousands of companies will be exposed as certificates for these companies run out and there are still millions of investors holding electronic shares.
Investors will demand their shares, which are guaranteed by law. What will you do when millions of investors learn the shares they hold with brokers are worthless and the brokers cannot provide them with their shares in certificate form? How will you deal with this sudden public scandal?
Don't think that this will not happen. Every revolution begins with a few and it grows. The SEC will be exposed for the farce it is. It will be exposed as complicit in the naked shorting as it tries to cover it up by revoking companies that are naked shorted in the hopes that once the company is revoked, the threat of exposure will disappear. On the contrary, revocation will only serve to further the revolution as it is the shares of the revoked companies that will be the first to be converted into certificates, exposing the lie being perpetuated on the American investor. Ultimately it is the American investor that will be your judge and your jury.
The word is out. Pull every stock you own out in certificates. Force the exposure. Destroy the corruption that exists inside the SEC, the DTC and the brokers. The revolution is at hand.
Signed,
Member of the New American Revolution
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: janice shell who wrote msg# 192251 Date:11/7/2005 1:38:46 AM
Post #of 192370
Whoa, the New American Revolution seems to have begun...LOL
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By: yugsnioc
07 Nov 2005, 12:54 AM EST
Msg. 278714 of 278717
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Email to the Chairman of the SEC. Send your own to chairmanoffice@sec.gov. Let them know we will no longer sit by and be raped. Email the chairman with your own warning and complaint. Let them know we are pulling every stock we own out in cert form. Long live the New American Revolution!
Dear Chairman
I thought it only fair to warn you of the quickly deteriorating trust the American public has in the electronic share trading system, the SEC & the DTC. A campaign has begun to encourage investors to pull their shares from every electronic account they have and take those electronic shares out in paper certificates. This is not just one stock being affected, although it was one stock that was the start of this campaign.
The consistent failure of the SEC to protect the investing public from the illegal and immoral naked shorting of stocks traded via the electronic trading program has left the investing public extremely distrustful of the SEC. The SEC has publicly admitted that naked shorting occurs and has even grandfathered such transactions that were executed before regulation SHO took affect. Yet, naked shorting continues to occur, at an ever growing pace.
A revolution is coming. A revolution supported by the masses of people who have been robbed of their assets. Robbed of the money they have worked their entire lives to earn and the money they are counting on when they retire. This revolution calls for everyone, large and small, to pull their shares out into certificate form.
The revolution starts small but it grows as more and more of the people who have been wronged learn of it. Soon it will be a ground swell. Soon the brokers will be screaming because investor confidence in the current system is gone. Billions of dollars will be pulled from the accounts held with these brokers. The massive naked shorting that has occurred with thousands of companies will be exposed as certificates for these companies run out and there are still millions of investors holding electronic shares.
Investors will demand their shares, which are guaranteed by law. What will you do when millions of investors learn the shares they hold with brokers are worthless and the brokers cannot provide them with their shares in certificate form? How will you deal with this sudden public scandal?
Don't think that this will not happen. Every revolution begins with a few and it grows. The SEC will be exposed for the farce it is. It will be exposed as complicit in the naked shorting as it tries to cover it up by revoking companies that are naked shorted in the hopes that once the company is revoked, the threat of exposure will disappear. On the contrary, revocation will only serve to further the revolution as it is the shares of the revoked companies that will be the first to be converted into certificates, exposing the lie being perpetuated on the American investor. Ultimately it is the American investor that will be your judge and your jury.
The word is out. Pull every stock you own out in certificates. Force the exposure. Destroy the corruption that exists inside the SEC, the DTC and the brokers. The revolution is at hand.
Signed,
Member of the New American Revolution
Posted by: Jim Bishop
In reply to: janice shell who wrote msg# 192251 Date:11/7/2005 1:38:46 AM
Post #of 192370
Whoa, the New American Revolution seems to have begun...LOL
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By: yugsnioc
07 Nov 2005, 12:54 AM EST
Msg. 278714 of 278717
Jump to msg. #
Email to the Chairman of the SEC. Send your own to chairmanoffice@sec.gov. Let them know we will no longer sit by and be raped. Email the chairman with your own warning and complaint. Let them know we are pulling every stock we own out in cert form. Long live the New American Revolution!
Dear Chairman
I thought it only fair to warn you of the quickly deteriorating trust the American public has in the electronic share trading system, the SEC & the DTC. A campaign has begun to encourage investors to pull their shares from every electronic account they have and take those electronic shares out in paper certificates. This is not just one stock being affected, although it was one stock that was the start of this campaign.
The consistent failure of the SEC to protect the investing public from the illegal and immoral naked shorting of stocks traded via the electronic trading program has left the investing public extremely distrustful of the SEC. The SEC has publicly admitted that naked shorting occurs and has even grandfathered such transactions that were executed before regulation SHO took affect. Yet, naked shorting continues to occur, at an ever growing pace.
A revolution is coming. A revolution supported by the masses of people who have been robbed of their assets. Robbed of the money they have worked their entire lives to earn and the money they are counting on when they retire. This revolution calls for everyone, large and small, to pull their shares out into certificate form.
The revolution starts small but it grows as more and more of the people who have been wronged learn of it. Soon it will be a ground swell. Soon the brokers will be screaming because investor confidence in the current system is gone. Billions of dollars will be pulled from the accounts held with these brokers. The massive naked shorting that has occurred with thousands of companies will be exposed as certificates for these companies run out and there are still millions of investors holding electronic shares.
Investors will demand their shares, which are guaranteed by law. What will you do when millions of investors learn the shares they hold with brokers are worthless and the brokers cannot provide them with their shares in certificate form? How will you deal with this sudden public scandal?
Don't think that this will not happen. Every revolution begins with a few and it grows. The SEC will be exposed for the farce it is. It will be exposed as complicit in the naked shorting as it tries to cover it up by revoking companies that are naked shorted in the hopes that once the company is revoked, the threat of exposure will disappear. On the contrary, revocation will only serve to further the revolution as it is the shares of the revoked companies that will be the first to be converted into certificates, exposing the lie being perpetuated on the American investor. Ultimately it is the American investor that will be your judge and your jury.
The word is out. Pull every stock you own out in certificates. Force the exposure. Destroy the corruption that exists inside the SEC, the DTC and the brokers. The revolution is at hand.
Signed,
Member of the New American Revolution
I hear ya' Jim...and will be passing this idea...
Around to ALL I know...
C'ya
I'm glad you like that Deann...I thought it
Was really Funny too!
Have a Great Night...
C'ya...
NICE! Chart 4godnwv...Thanks
OK Jim...but, I'm not worried about...
"so you don't get labeled a nutcase."...LOL
Everyone I know, knows I am a 'nutcase'...
I've got lots of email addresses with two computers at home, and a laptop with wireless access for traveling...
I think I'll just go visit my Mom, and use her computer...
She's a staunch Republican.
This could be Interesting...LOL
Thanks for the Great Idea Jim...Power to the People!
This brings back memories of the Hippie Days of my youth...
Except now, I'm a borderline Yuppie...That's rather thought provoking in itself...
OMG!!! That was the BEST POST I have read...
ALL YEAR!!!...Where do I sign up for the 'Revolution'?
I'm serious...Do I just have to write an email to the address in this post and say the same thing, only a little different in text and in my own words?
These changes to Nasdaq Rules may benefit Pinks:
Reporting short interest coming..
New York, NY, November 7, 2005 -- On Thursday, November 4, 2005, the SEC published for comment a proposed rule change to amend NASD Rule 3360 to expand the short interest reporting requirements to over-the-counter (‘‘OTC’’) equity securities, including securities quoted on the Pink Sheets. The full text of the proposed rule change is available in the Federal Register or online at: http://www.smartpdf.com/register/2005/Nov/03/66875A.pdf.
In January 2005, Pink Sheets petitioned the SEC to cause the amendment of NASD Rule 3360 (http://sec.gov/rules/petitions/petn4-500.pdf). Under the current rule, NASD members are only required to maintain such records and make reports regarding securities included in listed on Nasdaq or on a national securities exchange. This excludes OTC equity securities, thereby denying investors and the markets for these instruments the protections of transparency and regulatory oversight provided by Rule 3360.
NASD will announce the effective date of the proposed rule change in a Notice to Members to be published no later than 60 days following Commission approval. In recognition of the technological and systems changes the proposed rule change may require, the effective date will be 90 days following publication of the Notice to Members announcing Commission approval.
Magic BEER...
A lady walks into a bar and sees a really cute guy sitting at the counter.
She goes over and asks him what he is drinking.
"Magic Beer", he says.
She thinks he's a little crazy, so she walks around the bar, but after
that there is no one else worth talking to,goes back to the man sitting at the
bar and says,
"That isn't really Magic Beer, is it?"
"Yes, I'll show you." He takes a drink of the beer, jumps out the window,
flies around the building 3 times and comes back in the window.
The lady can't believe it: "I bet you can't do that again."
He takes another drink of beer, jumps out the window, flies around the
building three times, and comes back in the window.
She is so amazed that she says she wants a Magic Beer, so the guy says to
the bartender, "Give her one of what I'm having."
She gets her drink, takes a gulp of the beer, jumps out the window,
plummets 30 stories, breaks every bone in her body, and dies.
The bartender looks up at the guy and says,
"You know, Superman, you're a real asshole when you're drunk!"
Is it SCHB on the bid AND the ask...
Or the three bad boys NITE, SCHB, and VFIN on the ask?
Thank you 'neighbordave'...That sounds encouraging...
It's better than 1 on the bid...and 6 on the ask...LOL
IW999...Shoot Matt a message about this...
When you pay for the first time, you should immediately have your paying member status...
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/board.asp?board_id=504
Accumulation at lower prices Again today...
As the price dropped to .026 today, look at the Accumulation/Distribution line (light blue) take a spike up on the 5 minute chart...At least there is more buying than selling as the price goes down...Hmmmmmmmmm...
How is Level 2 looking today?...especially how many MM's are on the bid at .026 TIA
.026 x .0275 Come on Pebbles...don't do this...
To US...The last intraday low support was at .026
Don't you Dare break below that...Then we are looking at holding .025 for sure...Or else...
3500 share trades...Give me a Break!
A 200 share trade just went through...LMAO
The commission cost more than the shares did...LOL
We need a Killer PR, and we need it NOW!
Noon today would be a good time to cough it up IMO...
Correct cerberus...You do not need to hold...
Certificates to receive dividends...We owned Coke (KO) in the trading account, and receive regular dividends...
Good Morning Pebbler's...Let's hope THIS is...
The Week for some Very Positive news, and share appreciation...
I'm sure we would ALL Appreciate THAT!
Yes... .026 was the last low, and .025
Is the critical support area that Must hold, or I fear there could be a huge selloff...The MM's may try this tactic if they still need to cover shares from the last run up...It will be the 'Dump and Pump'...LOL
We don't get to see that very often, though INSQ may have done just that recently...Have a Great Day everyone!
Good Morning SA and the Board...Yes SA, it's...
Almost inevitable that 'someday' PBLS will get a PR out that actually makes the pps RISE...ROTFL
The question is: is it the next one?, the one after that, or the one after that...You get the idea...LOL
Thanks SA...YHOO is a bit expensive...
But it is a real Beauty...This is my wife's favorite stock, and she's a real beauty too...LOL
C'ya Laters...
P.S. There's a rumor of exceptionally good news coming out of PBLS next week...It might be a good idea to keep one eye on it ;^)
Maybe it'll even go up 'this time'...LOL
YHOO Longer Term Charts:
3Year/Monthly:
It's been consolidating in an uptrend for over a year now...
All three moving averages are turning up...
The chart pattern YTD is a double-bottom with a breakout at 38.95 and already has been challenged this month with a 38.71...The way I measure potential yields of chart patterns say this double-bottom should yield up to 45.00-46.00...The upper Bollinger Band is at 40.00 so that is the potential near term target...The RSI and Stochastics are upticking and not overbought...The DMI+ may cross up through the ADX, and the MACD Histogram is trying to bust up through zero...Overall, this is a Very Bullish long term chart IMO.
1Year/Weekly:
Here's a better look at the double-bottom...With last weeks candlestick closing above the upper Bollinger Band, a consolidation may be needed...The RSI is in good territory, the Stochastics fast line is approaching Overbought but still above the slow line, The DMI's are diverging sharply, and the MACD did a perfect crossover above zero two weeks ago, and the Volume last week was way above average...
3Month/Daily:
It's consolidating after that $3.00 run in two days last week...It looks like it could still have some more upside to it here...Look for a high Volume day for it to get interesting...
YHOO Longer Term Charts:
3Year/Monthly:
It's been consolidating in an uptrend for over a year now...
All three moving averages are turning up...
The chart pattern YTD is a double-bottom with a breakout at 38.95 and already has been challenged this month with a 38.71...The way I measure potential yields of chart patterns say this double-bottom should yield up to 45.00-46.00...The upper Bollinger Band is at 40.00 so that is the potential near term target...The RSI and Stochastics are upticking and not overbought...The DMI+ may cross up through the ADX, and the MACD Histogram is trying to bust up through zero...Overall, this is a Very Bullish long term chart IMO.
1Year/Weekly:
Here's a better look at the double-bottom...With last weeks candlestick closing above the upper Bollinger Band, a consolidation may be needed...The RSI is in good territory, the Stochastics fast line is approaching Overbought but still above the slow line, The DMI's are diverging sharply, and the MACD did a perfect crossover above zero two weeks ago, and the Volume last week was way above average...
3Month/Daily:
It's consolidating after that $3.00 run in two days last week...It looks like it could still have some more upside to it here...Look for a high Volume day for it to get interesting...
YHOO Longer Term Charts:
3Year/Monthly:
It's been consolidating in an uptrend for over a year now...
All three moving averages are turning up...
The chart pattern YTD is a double-bottom with a breakout at 38.95 and already has been challenged this month with a 38.71...The way I measure potential yields of chart patterns say this double-bottom should yield up to 45.00-46.00...The upper Bollinger Band is at 40.00 so that is the potential near term target...The RSI and Stochastics are upticking and not overbought...The DMI+ may cross up through the ADX, and the MACD Histogram is trying to bust up through zero...Overall, this is a Very Bullish long term chart IMO.
1Year/Weekly:
Here's a better look at the double-bottom...With last weeks candlestick closing above the upper Bollinger Band, a consolidation may be needed...The RSI is in good territory, the Stochastics fast line is approaching Overbought but still above the slow line, The DMI's are diverging sharply, and the MACD did a perfect crossover above zero two weeks ago, and the Volume last week was way above average...
3Month/Daily:
It's consolidating after that $3.00 run in two days last week...It looks like it could still have some more upside to it here...Look for a high Volume day for it to get interesting...
LOL...
doniam...Yes, I thought it was a good deal...
Though with using all three UPS sockets running my computer, DSL Modem, and one of my four monitors, the battery charge will last only a few minutes. There are more expensive models at Staples that will give you more battery life.
The reason I got mine was we have a lot of power surges here at our home, and the power supply to my computer got fried on one of them even with a surge protector, so that it was hard to boot up again...This will enable me to skip the power surges and keep things running. If it's more than a power surge, I will have time to do a proper shutdown, even though with Windows XP it's not as critical as with a lesser version.
Whatever Floats Your Boat Phil...
You "Dirty Ol' Man"...LOL
Aw C'mon Phil...That's kind of robbing...
The Cradle isn't it?...LOL
I have a daughter older than that!...ROTFL...
They are cute, but I prefer 'Mature' women...
C'mon Phil...Don't Bogart that 'Honey'...
Where is she? I like SEE...LOL
She must be HOT if you're talking 'heart attack'...
But please don't...Too many folks would miss your sense of humor too much...
Hey Goldman!...I resemble that remark...LOL
Wow Phil...What a coincedence...
I am making home made Pizza tonight too for the Football Games...
We buy the deep dish crust from the grocery, it's cold but not frozen, then add spagetti sauce with extra Italian spices like garlic powder, oregano, basil and cayenne pepper, sliced Pepperoni, real Canadian Bacon chunks, Italian Sausage slices, chopped onions, canned sliced mushrooms, green and black olive slices, green peppers chunks, mozarella and packaged pizza cheese...I put ours in the oven at 350 degrees for about 45 minutes...
Hey, I better get busy again...We need MORE...LOL
RBAK just had it's Biggest Week in the last YEAR!
It had one good PR last week, but that alone shouldn't have made it run so hard IMO...
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051101/15288.html?.v=1
Here's a 1Year/Weekly Chart:
With it opening at the low of the week at 10.01
Closing the week at 11.92 which was only .13 off the high of 12.05...Look at the size of that big Green candlestick! That usually suggests that there is still more upside to this stock next week. It closed the week at the top Bollinger Band...The RSI has just crossed into the PowerZone above 70...Stochastics are nearing Overbought...The DMI+ could cross up through the ADX...The MACD Histogram Kissed perfectly up off the zero line last week...And LOOK AT THAT VOLUME!!! Last weeks Volume was 13,330,800 which was by FAR the biggest volume in the last Year!
2Month/Daily:
It gapped up at the open two days last week on the 2nd and the 4th...The Shooting Star candlestick it formed on the 3rd suggested to me that it would pull back the next day because of the low volume that day...Surprise!...It didn't...Look at how far it closed outside the upper Bollinger Band Friday...That would suggest it needs to pull back, or run sideways until it gets back within it, BUT, the almost solid green candlestick Friday suggests it may still have some upside...Very confusing signals it has been giving lately...The RSI is almost to a level where it should go down...Stochastics have been overbought for five days suggesting the same thing...The DMI+ is reaching a point where it should also retreat...Look at that perfect MACD Crossover that occured on 10/24/05 which is a definite 'Buy' signal in my book...All I can say is, it's going to be a very interesting week to watch what it does NEXT!
10Day/Hourly:
It closed inside the upper Bollinger Band, and could set a new 52 week high Monday morning seeing where it is at...It does have 2 gaps up at the open...The question is: will it go down to fill them? It looks like the 15DMA has been a support level on this run...
RBAK just had it's Biggest Week in the last YEAR!
It had one good PR last week, but that alone shouldn't have made it run so hard IMO...
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051101/15288.html?.v=1
Here's a 1Year/Weekly Chart:
With it opening at the low of the week at 10.01
Closing the week at 11.92 which was only .13 off the high of 12.05...Look at the size of that big Green candlestick! That usually suggests that there is still more upside to this stock next week. It closed the week at the top Bollinger Band...The RSI has just crossed into the PowerZone above 70...Stochastics are nearing Overbought...The DMI+ could cross up through the ADX...The MACD Kissed perfectly up off the zero line last week...And LOOK AT THAT VOLUME!!! Last weeks Volume was 13,330,800 which was by FAR the biggest volume in the last Year!
2Month/Daily:
It gapped up at the open two days last week on the 2nd and the 4th...The Shooting Star candlestick it formed on the 3rd suggested to me that it would pull back the next day because of the low volume that day...Surprise!...It didn't...Look at how far it closed outside the upper Bollinger Band Friday...That would suggest it needs to pull back, or run sideways until it gets back within it, BUT, the almost solid green candlestick Friday suggests it may still have some upside...Very confusing signals it has been giving lately...The RSI is almost to a level where it should go down...Stochastics have been overbought for five days suggesting the same thing...The DMI+ is reaching a point where it should also retreat...Look at that perfect MACD Crossover that occured on 10/24/05 which is a definite 'Buy' signal in my book...All I can say is, it's going to be a very interesting week to watch what it does NEXT!
10Day/Hourly:
It closed inside the upper Bollinger Band, and could set a new 52 week high Monday morning seeing where it is at...It does have 2 gaps up at the open...The question is: will it go down to fill them? It looks like the 15DMA has been a support level on this run...
RBAK just had it's Biggest Week in the last YEAR!
It had one good PR last week, but that alone shouldn't have made it run so hard IMO...
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/051101/15288.html?.v=1
Here's a 1Year/Weekly Chart:
With it opening at the low of the week at 10.01
Closing the week at 11.92 which was only .13 off the high of 12.05...Look at the size of that big Green candlestick! That usually suggests that there is still more upside to this stock next week. It closed the week at the top Bollinger Band...The RSI has just crossed into the PowerZone above 70...Stochastics are nearing Overbought...The DMI+ could cross up through the ADX...The MACD Kissed perfectly up off the zero line last week...And LOOK AT THAT VOLUME!!! Last weeks Volume was 13,330,800 which was by FAR the biggest volume in the last Year!
2Month/Daily:
It gapped up at the open two days last week on the 2nd and the 4th...The Shooting Star candlestick it formed on the 3rd suggested to me that it would pull back the next day because of the low volume that day...Surprise!...It didn't...Look at how far it closed outside the upper Bollinger Band Friday...That would suggest it needs to pull back, or run sideways until it gets back within it, BUT, the almost solid green candlestick Friday suggests it may still have some upside...Very confusing signals it has been giving lately...The RSI is almost to a level where it should go down...Stochastics have been overbought for five days suggesting the same thing...The DMI+ is reaching a point where it should also retreat...Look at that perfect MACD Crossover that occured on 10/24/05 which is a definite 'Buy' signal in my book...All I can say is, it's going to be a very interesting week to watch what it does NEXT!
10Day/Hourly:
It closed inside the upper Bollinger Band, and could set a new 52 week high Monday morning seeing where it is at...It does have 2 gaps up at the open...The question is: will it go down to fill them? It looks like the 15DMA has been a support level on this run...
Thanks Matt, for putting our pic into the 'Family Album'.
What a Great Game in KC today..
5 seconds left...And KC had a choice to tie it with a field goal with the ball on the 1 yard line, or go for it...
And they go for it, and Larry Johnson dives in head first for the winning TD...
Wow...The Raiders almost beat the Chiefs at Home!
IF they could've kept Larry out of the end zone...
doniam...I just picked up a new UPS...
At Staples, for $39.99 It has 3 slots for UPS and 3 slots for Surge Protection...It's made by APC and the model # is 350
Check it out on their website:
http://www.apc.com
I hope this helps...
tleil...I like your idea that the Financial...
Audits may have been completed early, and they will be filing the paperwork to get listed on another exchange...Getting off the Pink Sheets (and hopefully bypassing the OTC.BB) should be one of the Priorities of this Company IMO...
That would be an Awesome accomplishment in such a short amount of time...The last news on this subject stated that this could be accomplished by mid-2006, so anything sooner will be Greatly appreciated by all...
Yeah MP...The one on the right...
Has that LOOK in her eyes,
Like she could do some Damage...LOL
mikey...Truly Amazing! The third quarter...
Just ended and Houston is beating Jacksonville 14-7
If JAC loses today...we will have a Winner in the Winner's Pool TODAY!
If the Chargers win today--solas is the Winner.
I'll bet there are a few out there hoping for a 4th Qtr. comeback!
NICE! Barmaids MP...It looks like Phil...
Has a new photo to put into the Ibox...
They are ALL VERY HOT!
The first gal has the cutest face IMO,
but the third gal has the biggest...
umm...uhh...Belt Buckle!...LOL
And look at the size of those BEER Bottles too...
One of those would be Enough for me...I've heard of 8oz. Curls, but you'd have to be a Weight Lifter to drink those...LOL