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I had to take
some rolaids after drinking the new stuff.
Old stuff NEVER did that to me, not even
after a couple of cans.
New cans...I drink one can and need something
to settle my stomach
Drink an old can......still no problem
the proof's in the puddin' for me.
Like you
I thought just the cans were changed.
3 of us actually tried both old & new at the same
to make sure it wasn't a figment of my imagination.
It's disgusting to me that a company with so much
potential hasn't and doesn't follow through.
Oh well, now to see where CSUH goes.
Wrong
the new cans of cider still have the horny goat weed.
You don't taste it as much, but it's there.
The drink is more acidic and actually upsets my iron stomach
just as much as the TL does.
The recipe is either changed or the new outfit filling
orders is cutting back on ingredients.
So LOL all you wish, but I was serious and NOT ignorant
of the changes.
Not only that
but the stuff in the old cans tasted better
than what's in the new ones.
I still have some of the old ones and compared it to
the new cans of cider....
They've ruined it, imo.
That and the RS made me dump it.
Hey now
if she did her hair a little different
she's actually not bad looking
and she's definitely always has a position being
held open for her at Hooters.
That bit from Pierce is unprofessional
and proves that DCBI is NOT where I want
my $$$$ invested.
Ponsi scam is what it says to me.
So they warn you in advance to watch for
SP to drop from .75.....
during which time, they'll be selling shares.
Pierce is looking for a new batch of suckers
from the looks of that bit of news.
glad I got out.
I can take the money left after I got out
and own more than I had with more value after
it drops again.....if I was willing to play it again
which is VERY doubtful.
It's proving to be a ponsi scam, imo.
I might agree
but I decided to believe the scuttlebutt
about a RS.
I said it after the mtg, it's a nuke on the sp.
So figured it was time to cut losses.
DCBI is toast, imo.
So looks like
you're with a few others of us on the sidelines.
Was just trying to understand the GRRRRRrrrr.
You've seen the DVD?
If you have, then you know how many of us felt.
It wasn't pleasant.
It was disappointment and still is.
You certainly
have proved my point.
I would suggest that if the DVD shows the entire meeting,
then the shock that has registered has silenced them.
Just as it silenced many of us who attended.
The one thing that stands out above anything else
is how unwilling the pro-IDWD crowd is to debate
here as a group.
Her's my take:
On HSM, it's a pro-IDWD environment and holds little value.
ON RB, there's equal footing with few protections and
the debate runs about even.
On IHUB, the anti-IDWD crowd has nested, but when the
dialogue directly addresses current issues, it has value.
The rehashing here of old stuff and posts from other forums
ends up being catagorized as anti-IDWD fluff and bashing.
IMO, sticking with straight forward debate on current
company issues (which are few right now) in a courteous
fashion, accomplishes the most when done well.
If a newbie comes here and reads, looking for a balanced
sensible frank discussion, I don't think they find it
right now overall.
IMO, that's what I'd like them to see.
If the anti-IDWD crowd took a better approach,
I think newbies would stop and learn about IDWD.
I certainly can't recommend IDWD as a new investment and don't.
This fact gets drowned out by some.
There's also a passionate drive to convince longs to sell.
That isn't working either due to the methodology, imo.
The current rebound also proves that shares are still
being picked up.
IMO, the good arguments made to avoid IDWD are being disregarded.
Imo, this is a waste. It's a shame.
I lay part of the responsibility for this at the feet of those
who have discarded courtesy and diplomacy and cold hard logic
and information when combining these elements is most desired
and necessary.
The pro-IDWD crowd doesn't make this same mistake too much
in this forum. In fact they accomplish more by avoiding
this forum. They don't avoid RB. When some have come here
and been jumped all over when they are courteous (not all were)
the result is they become martyred and they win.
The newbies go where it feels good.
These are facts. I've observed it happening.
IMO, IHUB provides the tools and environment to prevail
in a discussion, but winning the debate is still dependent
on more than just facts or which side has more representatives.
A winning strategy is also necessary.
IMO, the anti-IDWD faction should be winning here hands down,
but has failed due to methodology. This in a shame, IMO.
In plain english, this says I'm not taking a side.
My observations, assessment and conclusion is merely
who's winning the debate here and doing it with little effort.
I can along with that anytime.
We can't learn anything if we can't agree to disagree.
I just didn't find HSM to be useful, but found it distasteful
overall and that's why I ended up here. I read a little of
your initial posts and a few more recent ones and had no
use for them on HSM.
When I first went there, it was all rah-rah IDWD
and so decided not to waste my time there.
I have a couple of posts there and decided not to waste
my time.
IDWD is NOT a priority in my life or portfolio.
Now if the opportunity arose to follow through
and see a convicted felon on parole justly put
back in jail, that's something I would devote
some time and effort to if IDWD collapses if I
lose $ on this.
It's a matter of principle then.
If I make money on my remaining shares,
then I wouldn't pursue it.
So that's all up to Downs and where this ends up.
There's so much controversy surrounding IDWD
that it remains worth watching where it plays out.
1+1=2, apparently you missed the part where the rest of
HSM was distasteful as well, enough so, the site doesn't
get my time wasted on it these days.
It doesn't seem reasonable that the majority of discussion of
value here would be to re-hash HSM posts.
The recent PR after the crash in SP did more to raise my
skepticism. Overall opinion including mine is that the
PR is another load of hooey.
I still haven't received a response to my email
concerning the webcast.
I'm wondering when people will quit buying it
and the whole thing goes belly up.
It absolutely amazes me people keep buying it.
4000-1
ouchies for anyone holding it.
ok that one hit right in my guess.
Ok next RS?
I'll say last week of May- 1st week of June,
Next after that?
I'll say 1st week of August.
Then around Oct 15th for the next one.
Then around Dec 21st for the last one of the year.
There you go, all you hopefuls waiting to turn your cash
into pennies. Have at it.
I wonder when they'll start recycling symbols/CUSIPs?
They aren't unlimited.
If it was proven there,
that's over there and still has nothing to do with IHUB.
I still don't believe it was proven
and won't believe it no matter what is posted here.
The point is, if I want to sift through your so called
proof, I'd go to HSM and read it.
Even if Downs was posting there, I have no use for it.
I rather read an objective opinion pro or con
posted in an intelligent fashion.
I haven't found much use for HSM
and consequently wonder
why bring that garbage here?
Now if Downs was posting here,
That's another matter entirely.
I'd say have at him.
I read some of your stuff over there and it was distasteful.
I found it to be as much a waste of time as the pumpers.
Again, I don't like pumpers or bashers or their agendas.
I like USEFUL discussion.
I don't find HSM useful.
That's why I'm here and prefer to read something useful.
Unfortunately,
there hasn't much in the way of useful discussion
about IDWD as of late, just the same old broken records.
Public information?
Looks more like the nonsense written
on bathroom walls.
But if that's what floats your boat.....
And here I thought IHUB was for serious investors.
I agree.
Things are tightening up.
Just waiting for the CTBG share spinoff now.
Is there any possibility of sharing the specific info
in that report?
I can appreciate and understand if you don't.
Just asking.
I don't understand the fascination
of reposting HSM posts here.
This is IHUB.
What's the point?
cool beans.
Later, thanks it's been fun.
I may drop by from time to time to see how the
rest of you make out, but I'm not going to roll thru a RS.
I've been with this company a while which began with a
small investment, then a visit to the company and then
later to the Nov. meeting and evenb visited with the
investment bankers and other shareholders afterwards.
I'd rather go with a company like CSUH which by all
appearances looks like it's doing things right.
yes, I took a loss overall, but not a bad one
since I seriously averaged down at .04 and below.
So have taken my licks and am moving on.
GLTA
Imo,
a RS spells the end.
Sure you need to have the stones to ride,
but you also need the brains to know when
the ride is headed for a cliff and you need
to get off.
A RS is the cliff.
Once gone, I won't be back.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
While your reply
is courteous and thoughtful,
It also makes some erroneous assumptions about me
and my own ability to gather information and assess it.
I've ticked off more than a few posters in different forums
for not divulging what they are either too lazy or unable
to learn on their own.
Bottom line, it's MY money that's invested and the only person
responsible for it, win or lose, is ME except where criminal
theft occurs.
I learned enough on my trip to make me see this through.
It's what hits the bottom line when all is said and done
that counts. Nothing else does.
yahoo's been having problems all day.
It's all over all the boards with a lot of pinks.
My brokerage account has shown it available all day.
Now it's just beating a dead horse with a stick
bringing it up over and over.
yeah, that would have.
But if it ain't there, you have to be able to
walk away.
never said it was magical or inferred it.
Just said what I and some others might do.
The other company I mentioned actually hit .009 a couple
times briefly, but when it finally paid off....
it's been spectacular.
After what I learned on my trip,
I'm in this one if it takes 5 years from now.
Too many invest thinking 12-24 months tops.
That's like people that go to Vegas expecting to win.
Losers pay for all those bright lights.
I take what I'm willing and can afford to lose
and win or lose, it's all good.
me either.
don't like pumpers or bashers.
retail investors have a hard enough time making $.
I like intelligent discussion.
I'm unhappy I picked DCBI.
I'm unhappy I invested in it.
I don't like picking losers.
BUT, the good news is the sh mtg kept me from
getting in really deep, like another $40k deep.
So I'm grateful for that.
oh look, it's mr trump.
well that explains a lot.
we thought about that too.
Only problem is everyone who attended was DCBI friendly.
You should've seen the shock on our faces when they said RS.
Now Keith is talking about it on the weblog.
it would have to appreciate to .12
to justify a RS, imo.
Otherwise, it's just another pump and dump.
well we know from the efforts to raise capital
after the Nov. mtg, a buyback of shares is exactly
what was supposed to happen. It didn't.
I can't sell my shares for .05.
The longboat is sinking, imo.
It's also a tragedy, imo.
They could actually have built this into a Hansen's.
They aren't doing it.
It's a disappointment.
I watched the same thing
5 years ago similar to what's happening here to sp.
When it was driven to .01, I went all in so to speak.
5 years since my initial bite of buying into that company,
it's paid off at 25-1 and recently again at 22.5-1.
So guess what happens if there's any success driving the
price down to .01, more than a few of us are going to
average down seriously.
I doubt we're going to get that kind of opportunity.
But hey, I'd buy 10m shares at .01 and wait a while
to cash in.
Something that was announced as being a strategy
at a sh mtg of another company I was at a few months back,
was how there's some who play more than kind of char.
Some insiders will actually play a negative role
just to keep others from doing it for real.
The one time they backpedal is when their bluff
is called and someone actually goes 100% all the way.
They will bait and cajole to try and ruin any real efforts
to hold a company accountable. This time it fails.
IDWD can either come through with the $2.35 per share
or face the consequences. Others will follow and do the same.
I like the view from here.
So now you don't want Downs prosecuted?
Yeah and you also said
just a bit over a week or so ago
that there weren't any tools etc.
That I know for a solid fact was 100% false.
So of course you have to say there's no short position.
This also means absolutely no credibility is awarded
to someone that made such an outrageous claim.
I now have to conclude there's other outrageous claims
being made.
When a retail investor like myself makes a DD trip
and then gets nothing but flack and hooey for it,
Shorty is DEFINITELY nervous.
There's nothing like face to face to seperate lies from truth.
This is why you get ignored.
Is it too far a reach to consider I would also follow through
and complain to the SEC or that I would file a civil suit?
I've made this possibility perfectly clear.
If I sell and take a loss, that only rewards wrongdoers.
If I hold on and follow it through to the end, that puts me
in a class that some anti-IDWD only talk about.
I would actually be one of the people who would work
to see Downs back in jail instead of just yammering
about it. I would even follow up and attend his parole
hearings and speak so a 3-peat wouldn't happen.
I'm hoping the case can be done in Florida because I
love the beaches and fishing there.
It's important to walk the walk when you talk the talk.
What I have to wonder is why anyone wouldn't want me
to do just that. I'm not like other longs holding onto
hope or belief in a company. I'm one of the few who want
to see where this ends and have the means to do so.
If I completely lose my current investment, then it
makes for a stronger civil case.
So if the promised $2.35 happens, that's good, imo.
If it becomes a repeat of what Downs did in the past,
that's good too.
Why?
I'll actually do what I say I'll do.
I will enjoy it however it turns out.
So unless, you can actually comprehend what I'm saying
and converse in an intelligent fashion,
I will go back to ignoring you.
I'll let you know if they actually reply.
I'm not holding my breath.
As a sh, I don't think it's proper to give out info.
That's the company's job.
Usually a company puts out a PR that states how to
attend a web conference and it gives specific directions.
Plus, I don't see what good a web conference will do.
As I've said all along, I don't care where this ends up.
I want to see how this ends and be there at the finish.
If the $2.35 buyout happens, I'm in.
If it goes bellyup, I'm in.
That's not the only thing not working.
When a retail shareholder gets jumped on for actually
following up and visiting their investment, shorty is
getting pretty weak and desperate.
That's typical as well.
The difference is I actually went there and learned for myself.
Shorty spends too much time playing games on the internet.
Shorty doesn't have the stones to go there face to face.