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Dear jjj373
Naturally the Chinese themselves are fully capable without
the do nothing Velatel company to install 4G in China.
Just yesterday, according of Google I posted here how ZTE
with China Telecom is now 4G installing at 12 cities and
by some former post I also informed according of Google
official Chinese publications, about how the biggest
Mobile Phone company in China is after sucessfull test
periode definitely in all of China by NSN-Nokia Simens
Networks installing 4G mobile internet up-to 1.5Gbs and how
the second biggest Chinese Phone company with a Taiwanese
Electronic company is now also installing 4G mobile internet.
We can also expect that Carlos Slim's AMX to get rid of competition by expaning even more, to my believe for sure
also will enter China and India to become even global.
Regrettably, I as so many need to mention, that really nobody
need the parasit faking and everywhere just abusing Velatel.
Velatel’s Facts
1. The present situation as also described at “Velatel’s Situation Report -
April 9, 2012” is by the present caution and silence of Velatel Family &
Friends including NBT & Tobin Smith, just as correct reconfirmed !
2. At grammatically corrected and completed Point 4. as supplement
replacement of “Velatel’s Situation Report - April 9, 2012”, for Jointmax
and Trussnet are US$ 20 millions as missing mentioned, but additionally
at Velatel side in CA we have to consider an other about US$ 80 millions
missing and when we also consider the outstanding loans according
Velatel’s balance sheet, then we can see over US$ 260 millions.
It means principally there are over US$ 360 millions missing as not
invested into any assets belonging to Velatel.
In China they invested only into two smaller internet-transmitters at two
smaller cities instead providing 4G internet to 29 cities and at the
Peru matter it was ZTE paying 85% of the internet infrastructure !
3. I’m also one of the initially stupid Investors, which did fall into the
NBT-Trapp of them, by ten reasons confirming why Velatel is the world
most undervalued company with an rocketing potential by its stock
easy to reach $ 8 - 10. This made me so blind and they know exactly
how to make peoples to become blind, so that before buying over a
millions VELA-Stocks, I even forget at first to read its message-boards.
My principle normally is never buying any stock if at message-boards
from 10 replays are more than 2 replays critical about the company.
This Velatel and NBT peoples know exactly how to influence peoples
even by repeating brainwashing for all falling in the Scam-Trapp and
they did that now for 4 years.
4. However, I finally by using the fluctuation could get back 80% of my
initial investment with 70% of my stocks, the remaining 30% I will dump
in parts and possibly invest the money at AMX / $ 18-20 per .Stock.
As a Investor myself, I like to mention that principally shareholders are
the owner of the company, but that also means instead of just lay-back
and waiting for some rockets may come, to be more initiative and aware
about the companies owned and this now where there definitely are not
any rockets nor rockets-fuel at Velatel exists, just the contrary.
If most of all Investors in parts just sell all VELA-Stocks and not back
buying it until more clarity at Velatel as officially certified is existing.
Then we would achieve, that the stock-price and volume would fall
drastically, so that independent of how many billions-stocks Velatel
as usually like to dump just to get money from abused Investors, they
would need to buy them back all by themselves to maintain a certain
volume and then the US-SEC can do its job even better.
Beside if the stock-volume becomes small, all creditors institutions would
very quickly renegotiate the credits with much worst conditions for Velatel,
with even the possibilities of getting loans just immediately canceled.
To make a good point by 4 years delay, participate to do this now !
This from Investors side could also give a good signal to others in
general, who may possibly think to copy schemas as from Velatel
to keep the capital market cleaner and more reliable intact.
Dear LongTimeObserver
Yes I'm agree with you, that such peaks at the end are not
only by VELA. But since about 3 weeks I could observe this
by VELA as really obvius, as if somebody with small money
just at "Best" orders is buying just for artificially at
end increasing the stock-price or for keeping it and all
this at such a rubbish stock, is making me suspecious and
today when we look that peak, it really does not confirm
any common sense. That's why I did ask you to find-out.
Dear jjj373
I can understand you very well and I'm really sorry for
not being able to write better English and then I have
the habit of making far too long sentences, because like
to complete one aspect or matter within one sentence.
English is not my mother languge and speak 5 languages
including some Japanese and Chinese Madarin.
I'm pretty mixed-up in my head and writing too many R&D
reports and patent-applications in my live did not help.
I understand your point and about the "maybe soon", for not
interfering the aldready ongoing procedure, I'm reluctant
for anything more to mention.
But thanks for trying to understand my kind of English.
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you very much for that information and
sorry I like to ask you, could you possibly
also check who within the last 5 trading sessions
did always at 15:56h to 15:59h buy about 10'000
to 50'000 stocks to create the peak at the final
moment. There is maybe always the same name ?
I dont have level II for verification.
Dear LongTimeObserver
Could you inform who is "AUTO" at stocks-trading, because they
seems to be part of Velatel's stock-manipulations and scheme !
Velatel's Falling
Dear LongTimeObserver
It's only a matter of time, with this quite many peoples
be 100% agree, but be aware it may will not take so much
of time, when the preparation of US-Authorities for such
obvious aspects as by Velatel are also being considered !
More I don't say for the moment. Just watching it.
1. ZTE without Velatel ----- 2. Velatel’s Contracts or Agreements
1. ZTE without Velatel. Putting yesterday “Telcom Mobile Internet” into Google
and it can be found the publication informing about ZTE received from China
Telcom a 60% Stake, for ZTE now installing for them Mobile Internet & Phone
at 12 cities in China.
This reconfirms “Velatel’s Situation Report-April 9, 2012/ Points 1. to 4. and 8.
2. Velatel’s Contracts or Agreements. All Contracts or Agreements for deposition
and impression purposes only deposited by SEC-Filings, are by the SEC not as
legally correct approved, because the SEC-Filings themselves can only as
statements from solely Velatel itself been interpreted.
The by Velatel’s SEC-Filings deposited contract or agreement statements, not
copies of original signed contracts or agreements, not have any signatures of
all related parties.
For related to Asian it means any contract or agreement can only exist
as such, if by 1st is with personal stamp been stamped or 2nd with personal
stamp been stamped plus hand made signature, by some matters even with
an additional finger-print. It means since all this at SEC-filings is missing,
that the contracts or agreements without legalized not legally in force and
therefore must bee assumed by abusing the trust of SEC, that Velatel itself
just constructed it. This for the time Velatel did not proving it otherwise.
Velatel’s Situation Report - April 9, 2012 - Supplement
Grammatically corrected and completed Point 4. as replacement.
4. The Joinmax Ltd. or Trussnet Ltd in HK, by Velatel stocks every 3 months
got over US$ 1 million paid during the past 4 years, but for what for and
to outside of Velatel nobody ever substantiated and by details became to
see or to know about ! What for the paid US$ 20 millions ?
If we considered above Point 2., then they beside of only installing 2 smaller
internet-transmitters-test-units with a lot of Velatel’s Blah-Blah of not fulfilling,
they under Velatel’s control and order did do nothing else to complete the
Chinese projects.
Resulting its legitimated to ask, if they by its VELA stock-sales-dumping for
getting money from Investors and reducing the stock-price, has its main job
been for putting the money in a money-laundering pension-basket for all the
global Friends and Families related to Velatel. That’s where the 20 millions ?
Has this been the main Velatel declared engineering & consulting job of them ?
Beside did they only check the fiber-cables at Sino Crossings project, if the
known mouse-invasion at Chinas countryside did or did not partially eating the
plastic-insulations or may partially the complete fiber-cables, or did they do
not even that ? By Velatel’s not fulfilling or attitudes we must expect this !
( This also for everybody to think about and to create its own opinions. )
2nd PS: We will see what the US-Authorities will say to this and find-out !
Velatel’s Situation Report April 9, 2012
In summary form, as also referred to all detailed InvestorsHub / iHub
postings as of March 26, 2012 until today and also under any official
Chinese Gov. publications or Chinese-, US-, EU-Medias or Confirmations
by Phone and also considering if anything of Velatel as until today on
purpose not substantiated, could be taken for real or not, therefore
as following :
1. All Chinese projects in China, except VN Hydrogen-Electricity matter, are
in collapsing process. The 3.5GHz spectrum-license as the pre-conditional
base for any 4G application in China including the Sino Crossing project.
The Chinese Gov. is now refusing to provide, since Velatel or its Sub-Companies are not willing or not able to pay US$ 800 millions for the
spectrum-license as before requested by the Chinese Gov. and is now
willing to enter negotiations with other interested parties, better able
to fulfill contract conditions or promises and financially stronger.
( Maybe Telmex: TMX or America Movil: AMX, both owned by Carlos Slim ? )
2. The Sino Crossing project with its fiber-cables for providing 4G internet
complete coverage to 29 large Cities in China, is now in question by the
Chinese Gov. and for providing the opportunity for themselves and/or
other much better parties than Velatel with its Sub-Companies, the
Chinese Gov. now likes to cancel the 2008 contract with ChinaTel now
VelaTel, because the contract fulfilling is since two years by Velatel
delayed by its contract promises not fulfilled, because instead of above
29 Cities complete 4G internet coverage, Velatel did only at 2 smaller
Cities installing only smaller internet-transmitter-test-units, that‘s all.
3. In respond to the present situation with China and VELA-Investors,
Velatel as them usually by faking, did quickly respond by a faked
Legal Opinion matter, by Velatel only mentioned as from Azur Capital -
Ticker: BHD handed to ZTE for them to think about and quickly start the
Sino Crossing project to be completed. This only by faked impression.
The Legal Opinion is faked by Velatel, because everybody in the world
knows, that by the laws and resulting international banks- and capital- institution standards, they if by them accepted only permitted to issue
for negotiation purpose “Preliminary Confirmations of Intent” for maybe
possibly willing to do the project financing, if to conclude any negotiated mutually accepted agreement by all parties could be signed.
As result, it is impossible that any financing institution could ever issue
a Legal Opinion as by Velatel everywhere published and invented.
As everybody worldwide also knows, any Legal Opinion Confirmation could
only at request by any China-Government-Section where the project is
located issued, for an evaluation as pre-conditions for any Company License
or Permission by some further application to request at the Government.
Under the present conditions in China, it would be very difficult from the
Government to get any Legal Opinion Confirmation as in favor of Velatel
or it’s Sub-Companies, by before Point 2. not fulfilling any of the promises.
4. The Joinmax Ltd. or Trussnet Ltd in HK, by Velatel stocks every 3 months
got over US$ 1 million paid during the past 4 years, but for what for and outside of Velatel o nobody ever substantiated and by details became to
see or to know about !
If we considered above Point 2., then they beside of only installing 2 smaller
internet-transmitters-test-units with a lot of Velatel’s Blah-Blah, they under
Velatel’s control and order did do nothing else to complete the projects.
Resulting its legitimated to ask, if they by its VELA stock-sales-dumping for reducing the stock-price and/or for putting the money in a money-laundering pension-basket for all the global Friends and Families related to Velatel.
Has this been the main Velatel declared engineering&consulting job of them ?
Beside did they only check the fiber-cables at Sino Crossings project, if the known mouse-invasion at Chinas countryside did or did not partially eating the plastic-insulations or may partially the complete fiber-cables, or did they do
not even that ?
( This also for everybody to think about and to create its own opinions. )
5. PeruSat - GoMovil Project. At beginning August 2011, Velatel published
within the first 3 days 7000 interested internet subscribers received.
End of January 2012 by shareholder-call and published up-date, Velatel
confirmed for the 5 months from August to December 2011 received only
1854 internet subscribers / annually resulting to 4449 subscribers and
mentioned in 2012 to get 16’000 subscribers. This in the country where
America Movil Carlo Slim with his Claro within 3 years 16 millions subscribers
created. That much by the facts about Velatel’s ability at product-marketing.
Additionally the PeruSat S.A. is owned by Mr. Isaac, not Velatel and one
of the former owners has according the purchase-contract not completely
been paid. As result there is a court-case pending in Peru, what means
that possibly the poor GoMovil revenues would be blocked, if not even
the complete PeruSat purchase-contract would be over-ruled, for maybe
Carlos Slim for Claro to buy ?
6. Velatel’s ZTE US- and EU- Security Risks. The US or EU and possibly others, will not accept the Chinese international espionage and surveillance carried-out by such companies as ZTE, they also like to export the Chinese way of live. This disturbing behavior for the Chinese just to create its own advantages on the expenses of all other nations by cyber-attacks and stealing of intellectual properties, etc.
Unfortunately, Velatel did select the wrong partner, but other well recommended
well-known companies would not do business with such companies as Velatel
to preserve its reputation.
The US, EU and NATO are now in evaluation, but the outcome for companies
as ZTE to supply or install Internet-Transmitter-Stations, according findings and
detailed cyber-attacks experiences, cannot been seen as positive for them.
This as important will additionally affect Velatel’s business opportunities at any
well-developed, industrialized and commercialized good profits countries.
7. About the Croatia and Montenegro Project. Velatel as published claims to have there over 6 millions of potential internet subscribers.
The reality according government statistics is, that the total population of
the two countries together at 2011 has been counted 5.32 millions where
the population of Montenegro is only 620’000 and where in both countries about 30% are Elderly peoples and naturally a lot of Babies also exist.
The residential households in Croatia are 1.05 million and in Montenegro
only 120’000 plus about 30% holiday-houses for the tourist seasons.
Taking the marketing ability from Velatel according above Point 5. during
5 months in Peru 2011 only 1854 subscribers as annual 4449 internet subscribers, for both countries households, they would take 263years, or
when according of Velatel’s 2012 announcement 16’000 Peru subscribers
been calculated, then it would take 73years for in Croatia or Montenegro
just every household to have an internet connection.
This with the risk at Croatia when it at June 2012 as latest EU-Member-State
is joining the EU, that from the EU Commission any ZTE-Internet-Transmitters
are prohibited within the EU. This would mean Velatel either stop the business
in Croatia and continuous only in Montenegro with its 120’000 households, or
Velatel is changing all internet-transmitters to a product-brand the EU could
accept. Changing to an other product-brand would be very difficult financially
and to find somebody else to do business with a company such as Velatel.
8. ZTE itself, but not only by Blah-Blah promises as from Velatel, goes also
into the underdeveloped countries same as Velatel is talking only and this
by Velatel only as one of many ZTE customers, it can do nothing about !
There is no such thing as an exclusive worldwide strategic partnership contract, with for example ZTE confirms to do business only inside of China and Velatel therefore has no exclusive rights for any places outside of China !
As nobody really needs Velatel, ZTE ( 2011 profit US$ 8 billions ) also do not need Velatel and as result by ZTE official publishing or participating at any international internet fairs/exhibitions, the name Velatel remains unmentioned.
9. Velatel published to have purchased a 75% Part of Zapna ApS in Denmark,
with 6 millions VELA-Stocks / US$ 0.03 per Stock = Value US$ 180’000.-
Denmark is an EU-Member and will get into the same ZTE-Problems as in
Croatia. About some possible Pakistan activity Velatel mentioned, there
is to consider, that ZTE without Velatel after successful internet installation completion in Bangladesh within of 5 months with also parallel creating
200’000 internet-subscribers, ZTE as result and by request of Pakistan there
to do the same, has already started in Pakistan also to do the same.
Velatel’s Mr. Tay for the value of US$ 180’000 could do a 75% purchase of
Danish Zapna ApS company, as always if the informations of Velatel are not faked, but in Europe as not so cheap and where its not possible to purchase for the same value a apartment for a normal family, then even purchasing
an EU company for that small amount ? ? ?
Maybe the Zapna ApS in some chapter 11 procedure ( possible to find-out ) and Velatel did take the opportunity only for some Asian typical impressions creation game purposes ? ( For Velatel & NBT brainwashed investors. )
10. Velatel’s company configuration. Somebody could own 100% of VELA-
Stocks, but beside would not own any valuable or sellable assets.
If someone takes the annual revenues of until September 2011 and divide
it by the number of stocks issued in the same period, then it results in
an EpS of only $ 0.01 as Stock-Value and when take the reduced revenues
as mentioned by Velatel and increased Stock numbers from Stock-Dumping
been considered, then it results to about $ 0.006 as Stock-Value, but Velatel
themselves at SEC-Filings set the Stock-Value to even $ 0.0001 as 60x less.
As anybody for sure knows, any stock-value below $ 1 is only considered
as trading and not as a real investment.
Velatel is so busy with the huge numbers of SEC-Filings, that they could
not even at first just concentrate on marketing to generate revenues.
For examples, GE is monthly just one SEC-Filing producing, but Velatel . . .
just for its employees income generating stocks-dumping, etc., also for impression purposes is monthly producing between 5 - 10 SEC-Filings.
11. Velatel is not showing any usual market presence by any events or fairs
in the internet or mobile field usually so important to create and preserve
market opportunities. Usually only mail-box or scam or fake or law and
investor abuse companies to hide, do not present themselves in public.
12. Velatel seems to be under some pressure by it’s not promises fulfilling.
In October, November and December 2011 they made press-releases about every 2 - 5 days and then in January - February 2012 more quiet silent and now surprisingly nearly every 2nd day with something public, including fakes
and mistakes.
13. Velatel created a new company in Cayman Islands. They go from one mistake to another. Cayman Islands with its dubious image, worldwide known
by its law-lessness resulting as the ideal place for criminals in the money-laundering and drugs related activities, as address with the worst reputation
for any usual business.
Since there are well recommended places in the same region as for example Panama with even ZERO tax for foreign revenues or incomes, but with good government control to keep the country clean from criminals and much better infrastructure and good stability also by the helping US-Military Base, there is no need to go to a place such as Cayman Islands for a good company.
Knowing this, it will create questions and huge attentions by Authorities and Finance Institutions in the US or UK and Europe, which could block Velatel to
get maybe bankrupt, by them to save its reputation within 24h just canceling
all credits, or the Authorities depending on findings may possible just closing
the companies and confiscate any company or personals properties.
According US-Company Statistic, every US company having also a company
in Cayman Islands, get sooner or later into problems with the US-Authorities,
where in many cases the bosses end-up in prison. If this would be the case
by Velatel, then for sure NBT’s Tobin Smith would also join the place and the cheated Investors maybe get losses back, similar as now by Murdoch case.
14. This is our last replay in the VELA-matter. There is no more time for this,
which we need for prosperous things.
Velatel possibly is thinking to be in past post-mail and telegraph conditions and forget to be in today’s 24/7 information and communication age.
Anything further about Velatel & Related we let remain to any Authorities.
Hopefully this helps as Investors protection. Good Luck to Everybody.
PS: To block the truth by all Chinese, ZTE, Velatel & Related cyber-attacks
attempts and even Google involvement by erasing files in its search-engine
for the clients not to find the information, did finally not work, in contrary !
VELA ??????? ! / To forgeth about.
Dear jjj373
I wish you also a happy holiday weekend with your family.
That's also Typical !
Dear LongTimeObserver
I wish you and your family a happy holiday weekend.
PS: Have you seen, there are nearly no publications of
InvestorsHub at Google and now at any 1 or 2 page is one,
but written with an NBT advertisment from July 2011.
Maybe somebody turning some screws ?
US Company Statistics
All Investors, as myself must know and consider the
statistical facts, which inform that any US-Company
which is opening a Company or Sub-Company or Related-
Company in Cayman Islands with its Law-Lessness, get
sooner or later into US-Authorities Investigations,
which by Velatel means that based on any findings
may possible or any irregularities according of
US-Laws, the US-Authorities could close the Velatel
company and its stocks becomes $ ZERO.
This for sure is for any Investor also important to
know, same as compare to ZERO the present stock-price
for before better selling directly a paradise is.
Fake Company
Dear Investors
If we consider the information as also here is posted from since
March 26, 2012 until today and we Investors as I'm with some bigger amount of VELA stocks, then we must say enogh is enough !
Resulting and since VELA is not the only available stock and
definitely so many much better stocks are available, how about
if we definitely as I'm get rid of that VELA-Stock and the selling and buying just let remain to 100% in Velatel's
hands, for them only by themself to see how the by themself
just buying the stocks they by its continous proven history
just dumped for any reasons they desired.
Until now its only at the expenses of any Investors and that
is the only reason why this company, beside very few others of the same, did ever register semself as company at the USA stockmarket !
By this Velatel the first time in history would become forced
to generate real revenues, because otherwise they possibly
could not pay its monthly car-leasing, morgange pay for the
haus with swimming-pool or possibly the night-clup membership,
etc., privat things in that directions.
This would give us Investors the oppotunity, to see how Velatel
under such conditions could realy produce revenues and profit,
for us then decide if really OK and we not fully invested in
other prosperous stocks, then may possibly starting again
carrefully to invest gradually more just according substantieted proven company profits ( No more Blah-Blah ).
New Company at Cayman Island
Additionally to all posted Informations from March 26, 2012
until today, as proven even by its faked Legal Opinion matter.
Not enough that Velatel has its CA Mail-Box Company already
at Hi-Bluff Drive, but then to fit its company profile and
characteristics, they according of some Service Agreement
go and open a new company at Cayman Island, where everybody
worldwide knows, that this between South and Nord America
is the place to be for anybody in the Drugs, Money-Loundring
and Laws-Abuse Business.
The next in the same direction we can therefore expect from
Velatel, is that they even open a new Company in Italy's
Napoli or Palermo to do busines maybe with "La Familia".
After all, as Investors should we not been able to expect more
positive things and not repeatingly only unfulfilled promisses and faked interpretation games from Velatel as also yesterday.
Are we Investors that stupid for too patiently only practicing wishfull thinking based by our greed and therfore falling into
any Velatel-Trapp, instead by common sence to make a point and just get rid of it, to let the selling or buying of its stock just made all by Velatel itself ?
Dear moneymonkey1
Instead with any Stock, I'm agree, its much
better to fall in love with a Women.
Have a nice day and take CARE.
Velatel's Faked Legal Opinion Letter
Dear LongTimeObserver
The following by Internet&Phones made Investigation Report
Resulted to:
1. Velatel yesterday did hand to "Marketwire-Media" its
by themself written press-release by Velatel only
confirming a Received Legal Opinion to hand to
ZTE for theyr opinion and thinking abaout.
Most Medias even such as Reuter did take the press-
release made by Velatel as handen to "Marketwire"
and did re-writting it for theyr own press-release.
Naturally Velatel as over the years very experienced
in such matters knows how this works.
2. International Bank Institutions also as the following:
AZUR CAPITAL MANAGEMENT Ltd.
as sub-company of:
BLACKROCK INVESTMENT MANAGEMENT Ltd. - Ticker: BHD
Confirmed that they could not issuing any Legal Opinon Letters,
because any such realated to projects could only at request by
the local Governments where the project is located been issued.
The banks also confirmed, that for financing any projects they
prior necessary evalutations and if OK, they only as a first
step issuing a Preliminary Letter or Confirmation of Intent,
to allow following negotiations to achieve finally a mutual
agreement with the related parties participating on the
projects.
This is an international banking standard procedure as informed
and got told by any internationally acting Banks it would be
reconfirmed. ( Call-up your Bank - International Section ! )
The same standard procedure about Legal Opinion Letters and afterwards possible resulting Permission Confirmations as
above got also by Chinese Gov. reconfirmed only.
Further:
By the Chinese-Medias according official Chinese Government
Statements it became to know, that the Government is totally unsatisfied with the handling and not acting properly of Velatel and its local sub-companies, because the Government many years
ago granted to ChinaTel very special financial conditions,
based of important promises for China, that they at the Sino Crossing Project with the Fiber-Cables will connect 29 Cities
by each also to cover completely with 4G internet.
The Chinese Government therefore did naturally have a big
interess for the project, but Velatel by enough years to
fulfill its promises, did until today at only 2 Cities installing
small internet transmission-tests-units, thats regrettably all.
The Chinese Gov. resulting insists, that if Velatel not does
immediately fulfill its old promisses, that the Gov. will provide
the chance also to other Parties/Companies to compensate the
lack of fulfilling promisses caused by ChinaTel/Velatel only.
3. Conclusive for sure everybody can now understand above titles
wording "Faked", because its related to a not existing Legal
Opinion Letter, as only from the Chinese Government possible
to be issued.
It indirectly is also reconfirming, that none of any Bank
nor ZTE in China, at such a financially huge investment at
such an important project not also from its side to profit
from the momentum, not also from theyr side did publishing
any usual statements.( At things not existing not possible.)
4. Everybody can now according of this Report, make its own
investigation and create its own reality based opinions.
All this above only as Investors Protection Intent.
Dear moneymonkey1
I'm also sorry for you, specially since I can also feel that
you principally did fall in love with VELA and therefore its
more difficult for you to consider just the reality as it is.
I'm sucessfull a entrepreneur & proprietor since over 30years
and I did always have as first priority :
Never sitting at the same table together with crucks to enjoy
a good meal !
The peoples of Velatel are they different compare to crucks ?
Still have a good remaining day.
Velatel's Legal Opinion
Legal opinions are always good to have. Once I did have the
idea for my lovely neibur, when its hot outside, to sprinkle
with water. Since I'm generally a carefull person, I called-up
4 attorneys to receive a legal opinion. 2 attorneys told me
"If they like it" go-ahead and the 2 other attorneys told me
"If they dont like it and have possibly Dobermans, then better
think twice. That much about legal opinions in general and as
result confused, I completely gave-up that attractive idea !
However legal opinions are just opinions and not to compare
any guarranty and/or licenses as permission to do business,
it resulting means nothing for revenues and investors profit.
But now since Velatel did also receive a legal opinion they
again just try to create a finacial advantage on expenses
of any investor, just for possibly getting better prices for
the unlimited stocks dumpings, I also like to have from you
a legal opinion and documents about the following :
1.For example Mr. Georgy Alvarez by his biography mentioned
before CHTL/VELA until 2008, at a construction company to
work. ( Until today at Velatel only 4 years Blah-Blah.)
By some other puplications he mentioned to have over
20years expertise in the internet broadband field.
2.Since I'm not a american, I have heard that in the USA nearly
all construction, street-garbage and material recycling
companies are regrettably controlled by the Italien-Family
( Mob ) the US did try very hard, but failed to get rid of.
According above point 1. Mr. Alvarez did also work at a
construction company, but his name to me sounds Espanol.
3.Velatel's Mail-Box Scam Law&Investors Abuse Company located
at Bluff Road as the perfect address for any such company.
Now for at above Point 1. to Point 3. I like also to have your
legal opinion and if you for the present documentation could present additionaly any scanned-pdf documents, about any may
possible court-verdicts related to Investors or unreasonable
financial advantages, Etc. matters in that direction, for
myself to hand to ZTE-China and especially the US-SEC to
think about ?
Thank you in advance for your kind efforts.
Vela's SEC&ZTE US Risks
Anybody reading the Posts from March 26, 2012 until today has
a clear picture by facts presented as confirmation for any
Investor, regrettably as myself to find the best way out,
if may possible without even losing much more to come.
As short summarizing :
- Vela has not profit-revenues opportunity in China, what they
declare as its main place of theyre business. This is simply
caused by the fact not to have the neccessary 4G 3.5GHz
spectrum-license, because the CN-Gov. is requesting US$
800'000'000.- which a mail-box scam company could never
have to pay and nobody would give any such credit-amount
to just a Law&Investors Abuse Co.
Congratulation to China by such money amounts to control
the business activities inside their nation. Maybe the US
should take this as example for national and international
companies, to clean it from so-called Mail-Box companies
nobodys without adequate history declaring even to be "The
World Leader" without any proven market-share anywhere
such as Velatel.
Contrary the former HK Trussnet and present HK Jointmax
companies receive unlimited VELA-Stocks by Velatel declared
as payments for provided services&work nobody ever has seen
or any detailed evidence for this received, because scam
wise any such is not existing.
Any Investor should now have a good idea why there will
never come-out any profit revenues.
Further even the JV with Chinas VN to produce Hydrogen-
Electricity-Generating Devises, is according at SEC deposited
Velatel's contract to 51% Share-Part been also handed to
Mr. Isaac ( Shalom and Happy Day ).
- Peru matter. The may possible revenues, if anything of Velatel
can be believed, if real have just a good chance to become
blocked by Perus-Court Order, because one of the former owners
of PeruSat have not completely be compensated by the effective
present owner Mr. Isaac again, sorry for the thruth and PeruSat
is just under a kind of leasing to Velatel contract as by the
SEC proforma only deposited, as anybody can anything by the
SEC related to its company depositing, but this dosent mean
as approved by the SEC, but the SEC just now becoming aware of
some Velatel irregularties, will from now on controling and
may possibly soon initiate an investigation and evaluation
into the matters related with Velatel & Company.
- Croatia matter. Velatel, as they say but who can believe as
always without any substantieted prove of Velatel, the declated
to arrange the installment of Chinese ZTE-Transmitter-Stations,
but Croatia in June 2012 becoming the definitive lastmember
entry into the EU-Member States and this means its ESA at
present in evaluation, will forseeable not allow to have
any Chinese ZTE or Huawei Internet-Transmitter-Stations
within the EU and as result Velatel will need to have them
replaced by any EU-Accepted Brand or Stop any business there.
Again as usually by Velatel, any revenues profit remain in
question by the handling, considerations and marketing of
Velated just impossible !
To any Investors still a nice day, by concentrating on the other
stocks to keep and be happy about.
VELA's ZTE China is Watching
Supplement to my Post 2223
For the Chinese to become aware of this it was very easy,
just put "zte us security risk" into the Google and at
the Page 1 at the top first 3 items it can be
seen 2 items from the InverstorsHub.
The Chinese at there 10'000 peoples computer control
centers to control the nation and also controll and spy
globaly, they therefore have enough peoples and time
for doing day and night nothings else and exporting this !
VELA's ZTE China is Watching
In Reference to Velatel and ZTE US-Security Risk last week
by the Postings here from March 26th and specially plus the
ZTE US-Security Risk matter from evening of March 28th to
March 31st 2012, resulting have been events as following:
- Wednesday evening March 28th, ZTE US-Security Risk poped-up.
- Thursday morning March 29th, faked HK-Reuter China respond.
- Friday around loungetime March 30th, intense Internet
Connection Problems occured combined with attacking China's
IP-Addresses, explained as following.***
- Saturday March 31st, attacking China-CN IP-Addresses.
- Sunday April 1st was quietly, everythings just normal.
- Today Monday April 2nd, experienced the same as on Friday,
but for only about 15 minutes.
***At Friday around loungetime it started with two CN-IP's,
followed with up-load problems according my special security
system diagram which also is informing me about any IP's blocked
or blocked IP's trying to do port-scans. Internet Explorer could not been used any more. There after I received a message from my internet provider informing that of problems to fix they need to shut-down all internet applications for one hour. I called them-up and they told me that Chinese IP's by random trying to enter
the computer of many subcribers. I'm quiet sure that the system of InvestorsHub did also have some problems. Because of my top security system set in expert mode, they did not have any chance
to enter into my system to spy and could not cause any harm.
But I have to mention that I do not allow the cockis and activeX
elements as requesten by signing in by Google, Yahoo or Facebook
for its clients research and side business the Chinese also apply
and naturally beside all ports controlled also the Windows-Host-Address is also blocked. I allow only minimum basic cockies and activeX elements just for the Web-Pages function, but many advetisments pictures are blocked and any remote or remote-support functions I have disabled at Windows expert settings.
It's not so fun, but at least I have not any computer software
problems. ( The "Keep Me Looged In" function at replays should
been disabled, because it would keep a door open for Chinese.)
It is the first time for me to experience something like this.
I'm usually not surfing, gaming, e-banking, shopping, etc. by
computer and provided until today only three parties my e-mail,
because I still do things by fax or phone. I'm using mainly the
computer only for information purposes.
About 4 months ago the Chinese IP 180.76.1.13 as blocked reached once my computer. That's it.
But in the situation as above described as blocked reached me
Chinese IP 180.175.37.121 and 180.175.37.125 and 111.73.15.123
and 111.73.15.151 and 111.73.15.201 all as blocked (All by digital Photo's)
Additionally it reached me IP 173.249.155.122 from a UK&US
Data Center LLP - specialized in stopping spam at forums.
All That at this moment cannot all be insidently, impossible
and I believe Velatel, maybe only by the Data Center, is also
behind this.
All this IP-Addresses and explaining the situation, I will
provide to cia.gov its special internet division ic3.gov !
The ic3.gov is for about criminal internet abuse to inform.
China Matter and Spying :
It cost the US annually about $ 100 billions caused by stoled
intellectual properties or production procedures or science
aspects for the US to create its future. The other nations
in the world experiencing similar things, but they have
possibly better security in place.
I have to say when I visited China many times, I also became
to know good peoples, but it is the government-party which
like to control the population and companies there.
For example the companies by the government representatives
get forced to copy as much of not in China produced things
as possible. It means any company with more than 500 employees
get the government obligation to have a government representative
right inside the company and the company on its own expenses
must provide a nice close office-room with a secured phone line
directly to the government-party and must pay a good salary as
decided by the government-party and all of this is declared as
only to help the company at any problems may occure, but in
reality everytime when more than one of the same equipment from
abroad is in the company installed, then it results to problems
for the company to solve. For example the representative from the
government when he sees the additionally new equipment at his
control walk through the company's productions, then he immediately will point-out of whats going on and if the peoples
in the company do not know the obligations of a good Chinese
to preserve the interest of the good peoples nation and they
therfore have to copying the foreigners product as obligation
of this nation and will possibly read for one hour out of the
red Mao book, for the right brain-washing and the situation
will cause a report to the highest government-party section
and when the company once possibly need some more subvention
or cheap credit or more land to expand or some license for
some product or product application, then they will very clear
feel what it means not government-party-rule conform to act.
This explanations re possibly for the matter now a little bit
far, but it is only to have an idea why the spying and respecting of others is important and when any nation has the right for
prosperity, that this will not been achived on the total expenses and future of others.
This is something the Chinese still have to learn and cannot just
claim, according its 5000years history like nobody else, to have
the rights for anything to do or take and treat just as they like it to do !
About Velatel :
As a VELA-Investor myself and now just looking how best to get
out, I really very regret, that by the supplied impressions and facts, they prefere to be more like a Mail-Box Law-Abuse Scam Family&Friends Holding Company which like that never could do
any business with such worlds top companies as Ericson, Nokia Simens Network, Texas Instruments, Etc, companies which since
50 - 100 years have build-up its image and worlds market share
they for sure never like to lose just by such peples as by Velatel and behind acting.
Finally I mention not to be surprised, if this page because
of its reality oriented informations as facts, will somehow
get damaged to disable any reading or blacked or erased.
Shalom and Best Greetings
LOL+DD
Dear jjj373
Could you be so kind and translate the above to me.
I have seen this several times, but since my mother
language is not English I'm a little handicapt.
Thank you in advance.
VelaTel Acquisition VelaTel
Dear LongTimeObserver
VELA's information today, Velatel completed acquisition of
Croatia and Montenegro with 6 millions potential subcribers.
This as again is just Old-Coffe from 2011, as heated-up it tast
so terrible, that normal peples just pour it into the toilette.
About the 6 millions potential subcribers in this two countries,
according the well respected "Wikipedia" 2011 its total population
reached 5.32 millions and about 30% are elderly peoples.
The two countries together have a total of 1.2 million residential
housholds (+30% houses for Tourist at season).
According of Velatel by its lack of handling, marketing and
general trust, in Peru 2011 during 5 months = 1854 subcribers/
annually = 4449 subcribers.
The 6 millions internet subcribers of Velatel means, that
everbody and even new born baby's must have two USB-sticks
get in the mouth to fulfill the demand of Velatel.
Taking the 20years experience in internet matters of VelaTel
in account and use the experienced Peru numbers, then it will
take 269.72years until Velatel has completed its work for
just every houshold to have a internet connection/USB-devise.
As a VELA-Investor I can never appreciate this, but Velatel
is pleased to present such repeatingly cheating matters !
STRICT ADVICE
Dear LongTimeObserver
I advice any VELA-Investor to see and read carefully all
INVESTORSHUB Postings as from March 26th - 31st 2012, to
decide himself "What To Do Next Week !" before to late.
Buying a Penny-Stock before reading the Investors Message
Boards has also a Price and Never buying a Stock where at
Message Boards from 10 postings are more than 2 postings
exist where by facts seriously negative about the Stock's
Company is complained. This would be the right practice.
Thank you for participating only reality facts oriented.
SEC&ZTE Security Risk
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you very much for your informations. It regrettably is
just reconfirming Velatel's lack of handlings and marketing.
Combined with some other SEC-News and beside the ZTE US-Security
Problems, it looks the SEC after the lessons of 2007 is now
more strictly applying the existing Laws&Regulations, what
possibly also to a wellcoming better Investor's-Protection
results.
How stupid the Velatel management can be to believe, to
coninuing with the same not fulfilling again and again.
In the SEC-Filing about the stocks increase to 2 billions,
the pare-value per share is only $ 0.001, it means at any
chapter 11 procedure, the Investors get only $ 1 per 1000
shares. No thanks !
At Google official documents I could see, that the Perusat S.A.
is owned by Mr. Isaac and effectively not by Velatel.
The Velatel's company structure is built-up by the above sample
for in reality not directly owning anything and it definitely
looks as if this is a stategically long-hand preparation for if
may in the future to file for any chapter 11 protection, nobody
could take hands-on to any not property assets and just from
the pare-value of shares will provide compensations.
This explains also why the Velatel peoples not try to learn
from mistakes in the past to really improve the chances for
prosperity of Velatel and its Investors as company owners
with nearly nothing to own.
At Google I could also see, that a court-application in Peru
by the former owner of Perusat S.A. is issued, because have
not been completely compensated according the contract.
It means the so-called Peru revenues, could be blocked.
As the Romans would say "In Vino Veritas" or the Truth !
By having enough of this VELA-Game, I will now make a rest
and concentrate on more important and prosperitive things.
Best Greetings to you and your Familie
Velatel's ZTE US-Security Risk
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you for your up-date. In this matter we can be sure
that the US-Gov. and soon after also the EU, Etc., will do
what's really necessary to stop the Chinese interferings and spyings nationally or globally and never allow ZTE internet transmitters to have directly in front of anybodys haus.
We have to follow-up this serious matter to be aware for our
investment timings, so that before the US-State Department
or the US-Home Security will do some anouncments in the Medias,
to be completed before the VELA stocks get affected by.
I'm just a regular person, but even at my computer the Chinese
did two times try to get into it and my special security blocked
that by its expert settings I'm using and received the CN-IP's one day I will provide to ic3.gov for them also to take care.
Around lounge time today it was maybe also by INVESTORSHUB
and not only by me a special day after all the topics.
Beside I have seen at Google someting confusing to me at pubmemo.com/.../2012/securities-and-exchange...
of March 6, 2012 INC PA 5.02,8.01,9.01
03/02/12 VelaTel Global Communication
and I like to ask you if Velatel has also some SEC hearing
problems caused by accounting iregularities ? ? ?
Best greetings and happy weekend
ZTE US-Security Risks
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you very much for the www.bing.com link at Post 2200,
it works excellent by all official publications related to
ZTE for the reading easy to open.
Best greetings !
ZTE US-Security Risk
Dear LongTimeObserver
Could you please also post here your very first posting you did
yesterday at Yahoo Message Board "The ZTE Deal", but the Google
link page without the https:// and instead using http:// only.
Because the files to read could not been opened by the https://
Only when putting "Huawei Technologies ZTE security concern"
into the Google at some new Windows-Explorer-Page, then it
was possible to read the interisting official publications.
I think here it is even better than by Y. with good peoples
also being present here at INVESTORSHUB.
Thank you for your effort and with best greetings I remain.
Dear moneymonky1
I'm beside other Stocks also a VELA-Investor and generally
only reality oriented by the facts as by Velatel or ZTE
provided and deal only with honesty and from any company
on the stockmarket for the sake of any Investor, I'm expecting
just the normal transparency on reality based and relaibillity
of what regrettably VELA-Investors are missing by Velatel.
I have never before seen how the Investors themself need to create the transparency and honesty, Velatel for artificially creating financial advantages for themselves only, does not
like to apply.
Sorry I have never been good in praticing politics, I'm just
the simple, but honest straight forward and hands on type.
Today as beside I also became to know, that yesterday the procedure for Velated to increase the Stocks to 2 Billions
has been completet at SEC by Velatel handing in the final
document. Now also in this matter beside the ZTE-Problem,
we can see what will be will be.
I think nobody likes to be treated like a monkey as Velated does,
but I also understand you well and will keep more quiet for the
CNN, Bloomberg, CNBC, NBC, BBC, Etc. to come up with ZTE news.
So you better use the time now to do what ever you feel its OK.
My best greetings
By special ZTE-Tech, Sweden Controls Population
The Swedish Social State as not within the EU, by its own
Telephone Company with the special Chinese experienced
technology by ZTE supplied, will limiting the internet use
and freedom of its population by blocking any Skype or Free
Voip applications.
This regrettably proves in which direction beside of spying
the Chinese technology as well experienced is also made for.
Any human can only feel sorry for the good Swedish peoples
getting into such a trapp by its own government and tasting
Chinese technologies and way of live.
ZTE defense by CN-brain-washed Reuters HK Journatist Lee Chyen Yee
As seen at Yahoo Message Board ; by today quikly as usually some faked Chinese defense by the Hong Kong Reuters Office in form
"ZTE has obtained global certification on the security front".
Reuter has also an image to lose and therefore should also be
aware that certifications are not be made by Reuters for the
western civilised world. For certifications are only national
governments and international organisations responsible where
EU, Japan and US, Etc. governments are represented and by prior
evaluations and cooperation of them, a resulting global-certificate is may issued.
For what ZTE still has to wait for, even the chances
for ZTE look not good if not even as impossible according
of experiences and ZTE is not the only company in the world
to provide the technology for internet necessary.
ZTE / Chinese Gov. Control & Spionage Worldwide Exported
Dear LongTimeObserver
It's catastrophic for the western industrialized and civilised
democratically free world, where China with its Gov.Stasi-Stile is definitely never part of it.
As myself for business purposes I visited China manytimes and speak also a little Mandarin, but the stories I could tell, nobody not by itself experienced could really beliving it !
Thank you very much for helping to make this to be aware for
the worlds humanity and economy.
VELA / ZTE US-Security Risks
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you very much for you breaking this news which started
in 2011 and you yesterday posting it at Yahoo's Message Board.
As an Investor I prinzipally hate such news, because it will
very negativ and uncontrollable influence the VELA-Stockprice
as until today possibly never seen before !
As a reality oriented person I naturally have to respect
and consider the news and swiftly need to adjust myself.
Congratulation for your awareness and please up-date this
matter if you can, because its too important to see how the
US-Security under support of CIA & FBI and the ESA-European
Security Agency will finally swift react.
For Velatel's Croatia project it means that this is also at
risk, becaue Croatia became 2012 the latest Memberstate of
the EU-European Union.
Regrettably, related Velatel there will be black days to come.
Velatel by its very close relation with ZTE could never deny
not to know about and did by its four 2012 press releases not
mentioning a word about it nor even providing some hint about
this so important Security Risks Problem also Velatel is facing.
Conclusive according of US-Laws Velatel on purpose did not fullfil its Obligations in relation of any VELA-Investors, in
contrary on purpose to gain financiall advantages it and NBT
under the very close nondisclosure agreement with Velatel,
as illegal informed uncomplete to hide the risks for themself
and any Investors.
VELA / ZTE US-Security Problems
See Yahoo Message Board "The ZTE Deal" with
its https://www.google.com to click on.
Posted by LTO
Dear LongTimeObserver
Thank you. I'm not so long involved with VELA, but I have quiet
a large amount of this stock and now by some strategy I'm definitely working on the going-out procedure to get at least
80% of my investment back, what's not so easy by sometimes also smaller volumes and timing, which will keep me quiet busy for some time to come. I think specially in the USA, the Laws and
Regulations for Companys at the Stockmarket and Fonds, should
be better to reduce the abuse potential today may possible.
Dear jjj373
Thank you. It seems to be so, that just objective reality oriented
opinions and interpretations independent if positive or negative
matters explained or desired or not desired things, are generally only by some intelligent minority is apreciated. When I see to some other Y-message bord members and how they really like to fall in the trap just because they hear from somewhere exactly
only of what they only like to hear, then we easy reach the point of ideology, where for example the world used to be a round disk
and today some disregard or fanatically prohibit even the proven evolution, where they themselves a part of it.
Regrettably most humans are only ideologically oriented and desperately need somebody to follow for with less self responsebillity to be happy, but we see in world history
where this easy can end-up.
I have difficulties to understand Velatel, because I'm totally
different orientend compare to them and with hard work and
brain by myself in cooperation with other honest peoples I made
a smaller company to become a world leading No.1 company in some technical field and otherwise I could not be an Investor today.
About Velatel for me to close this matter for now, I'm only collecting evidences as from Velatel or Related provided and
need only 2-3 more proven Blah-Blah mistakes of Velatel to
contact the CA Authority to do a official evaluation about
them and we would see what Certification they could achive,
but for sure not the usually admired ISO 9001 Certification.
Dear LongTimeObserver
At my Post 2177 I mentioned before "Points" as plural. I have
now a little more time to explain some further points which
I as a still VELA-Investor beside of other stocks, simply not
can understand by the poor results and handling of Velatel's peoples.
For example Velatel from the timing and business idea until beginning of 2011 did have everything in hands and now has possibly only 20% left if they really work hard in reality,
but it seems to be so that they don't even know what it really means working hard to achieve results in time and right moment
to receive and preserve the adequate % of market shares.
ZTE is working hard and presents the world first 4G 3.5GHz
transmitter-bases and Velatel by its faking attitudes declares this as them during the last two years working for now to be
ready for the 4G and by its aggressive marketing coninuing.
In reality they for two years just sitting around and expecting ZTE to complete the work.
For example ZTE in Bangladesh, within 5 months made the complete internet infrastruture from zero and by paralell marketing gained 200'000 internet subcribers.
Velatel by the outstanding help of ZTE received the internet infrastructure in Peru and Velatel within 5 months from August
to December 2011, by its marketing-abillity received just
1'854 internet subcribers and this at a country, according of
F&S, where Carlos Slim's "Claro" within 3 years 16 millions internet subcribers received and this with a poor internet
quality of down-load 1Mbs and up-load 0.2Mbs only.
Taking the above internet subcriber number of ZTE compare to the number of Velatel within the same periode, it means the ZTE peoples not talking about agressive marketing, but must be more than 100x better or normal by marketing a market!
Velatel's poor target numbers of internet subcribers for 2012
means they could only sell internet to peoples which come to
them and say "Please, please give me an internet", that under
today competition to expect will be nearly impossible.
I'm wondering if anybody of Velatel ever visited a well
recommended marketing seminar, or just like to show off.
According of my live experiences and achievments also in combination with honesty and dignity, its simply impossible
to understand the peoples of Velatel.
Once I made a phone-call to Velatels phone number on the SEC-
filings, because did like to speak with them about the matters
as here and at Post 2166 + 2167 are mentioned and insidently Kenneth by his voice did take the phone. I introduced myself
and when I mentioned to be a VELA-Investor as reasons of my
call; he immediately mentioned "Wrong Number" and did hang-up.
This tells a lot about Velatel's manners and resulting business
stile and why . . . . . !
This where usually only the phones-comboxes are working, same
as by any mail-box companys.
At GE or Ford it did never happen something like that.
With best greetings
(PS: Sorry for my English, its not my mother language and being
so detailed.)
Dear LongTimeObserver
Regrettably its also One of the Points and wellcome in the club.
Supplement to Post 2174:
Without Velatel, ZTE is also establishing the 4G network
in Qatar for Qtel (Qatar Telecom)!