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Considering the pathetic inadequacies of the search feature here at IH I won't be spending the next few hours going through Gary's old posts concerning this very topic from last May.
Feel free to produce your own doctored copy to prove your point.
The Bird of Prey
Of course!
Big Bob Z master of the backhanded insult strikes again.
Nice try, too bad my level of intelligence is only unreasonable when colored by your own strong hatred of me.
We will now wait for members of the Posse to appear to call into question my "unreasonable intelligence".
BTW, that's already two incursions into the land of name calling for you, sign of weakness you know.
The Bird of Prey
PR said 250 laid off AND Bob Zumbrunnen was terminated.
That doesn't make you "one of the 250" but a completely separate issue.
The Bird of Prey
You missed your calling...
even Clinton's Spin Doctor's could learn from you.
The Bird of Prey
You tell me why I was "fired".
Since the PR only indicated you were terminated and since SI would never open itself by revealing the reason for termination I can only speculate that your view and the managements no longer were able to coexist.
But that's all behind you now you that have your very own playground that no one can kick you out of.
The Bird of Prey
I am only going to do this once. I have no intention of inflating the posts here by recalling every bit of proof that backs up what I've said.
WRT,
"They are so few, they don't matter anyway. Forget them and move on."
Where did I say this? I'm getting genuinely pissed about you ascribing quotes to me that I never said.
I simply paraphased an old theme of yours as exampled by this recent post.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=353779
Now come back and tell me I don't know how to parse sentences. Your favorite response when cornered.
The Bird of Prey
This is by no means comprehensive...
Vendit and friends
LG and friends
Poet and friends
Georgia Bard and friends
Many others have dramatically cut back on their use of the site, But as Bob says...
"They are so few, they don't matter anyway. Forget them and move on."
How many left SI for elsewhere? Why did SI stop growing? Why was Bob fired? Has SI improved since he left?
Perhaps he "forgot" too many and moved on when he should have listened.
The Bird of Prey
CharleyMike,
I appreciate your remarks. I would like to clarify one thing though, when "grandfathering" was first conceived of it was also presented that members who were about to be grandfathered should consider supporting IH with a little more than their keyboards. Specifically, JXM suggested that Matt provide a way for members to submit a real bona fide payment to IH. In what was a very rare occurrence, I agreed with JXM. Matt provided a means to pay IH and I was among the first to do so. At the time we were grandfathered certain statements were made concerning the future "benefits". It appears that since Bob assumed control some of that has gone by the wayside.
You became a "lifetime" member yesterday. In my recollection I did so almost a year ago. Yet despite "assurances" from Bob that grandfathered members "who had already financially supported IH" would be treated differently when the subscription system was in place. Though nothing specific was detailed, at the very least it was expected that Bob would deduct the amount already contributed from the price of a lifetime membership. Alas, there has been no word from management of this topic. Coupled with Bob's obvious disdain for my (and others) presence here at IH as evidenced by his own words and Matt's failure to properly administrate the site since Bob's takeover...the burr under my saddle is I'm feeling "taken" in more ways than one. Many of the folks I enjoyed reading and exchanging with have departed or curtailed their activity here since Bob announced he was back and "in charge". They have been replaced by persons I'd prefer never to have heard of. There are still some good people here at IH. People that understand posting is a privilege, not a right. People that don't take what they post lightly or respond flippantly to serious questions.
Your post regarding Grandfathers privileges did ruffle my feathers, and for all you know I could be lying about having made a payment last August. At the time I considered it a worthwhile investment. it seems now though that it may be closer to money flushed down the toilet. This is where the issue of "trust" comes into play. In August 2001, I could trust IH management enough to financially support it even though it wasn't required. Should my having done so earn me special treatment? NO, and I am not asking for such. Do I think that track record for over a year should earn be special treatment? NO, and again that is not what I ask for.
Do I believe that as a human being I deserve respect and equal consideration as an upstanding, contributing member of this site?
You're DAMN right I do! (sorry Mom)
And as long as management refuse to treat me with that level of respect I will treat them with an equivalent level of disrespect. I will point out every flaw and mistake and cheat I can ferret out. I will hold them accountable for these things publicly whether they like it or not.
I am not merely "somewhat cranky" over a perceived slight. I am livid over the fact it took four days and numerous complaints from other persons to remove pornographic references so gross that I had to tell my mother she didn't want to know what they meant. I am angered that good people have left this site because management would do nothing to protect them or allow them to protect themselves from unwanted contact from certain individuals, and that managements reason for this is because "I" was in favor of it so they shot it down. I am angered because I am "looked down on" as a "grandfathered" member even though I paid long ago.
If Bob or Matt or anyone else thinks I am foolish enough to pay MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE for a lifetime membership to put up with the feces dished out by those I've dubbed "The Posse", then those folks need to remove their cranial structures from Bob's rectal orifice and view the world in a new light.
The Bird of Prey
Will you also be "showing the door" to others that fail to "post about stocks"?
And before "The Posse" gets started.
I doubt I will be posting much about stocks here at IH. There used to be a number of folks here that I would have liked to share my ideas and methods with, but the current crop of ne'r do wells has run most of us off as Muell pointed out.
If that means I am to be booted, then so be it. Might as well show your true colors as it were.
You had a good site, too bad you've let a gang take it over. getting rid of them won't be easy since their boss is also your boss. Oh, I know the drill, he doesn't really tell them what to do, but they are all his sycophants, beer buddies or tag alongs, and they attack anyone that doesn't worship at the altar of Bob.
I am not interested in sharing much of anything with persons who think promoting bestiality is appropriate language for a site like this, nor am I too fond of the idea of helping a stalker make more money so that he might be able to bring his cyberstalking into the real world, but most of all I refuse to do anything that might benefit the arrogant and just plain mean spirited people that Bob "allows" to support him.
As I said earlier if that means you will boot me so be it. It won't really make a difference.
It seems that you've absorbed the cornerstone of Bob's business model. When it comes to "customer service", As one of Bob's comrades put it so eloquently...
WHO CARES?
The Bird of Prey
Hi Gary,
Matt went to the infinite well of Bob for an influx of capitol. He no longer needs money, IH belongs to Bob now. But I hear Bob is hoping to actually profit from this investment.
The Bird of Prey
Let's just say that at a time when it was not required to do so, nor in reality truly even asked that we do so...
I did send money to IH in support of IH and with the hope of furthering the Principles espoused by the management of IH at the time I did so.
BTW, there are a number of reports of supposedly mild mannered dogs turning on their owners, Many of these instances occurred when the owner attempted to rearrange the dogs food bowl while the dog was engaged in consuming the provided sustenance. Sadly many of these animals were put down for displaying a perfectly normal reaction. I won't be surprised if the lesson here escapes you...and Bob.
The Bird of Prey
You participate on sites at the owners' pleasure; not yours.
Not entirely correct.
Just as the site owners can choose who is allowed to participate, every individual has the right to choose their level of participation, especially if they have paid to participate.
Just like a storeowner can refuse service to anyone he chooses, so can the shopper choose not to shop or to shop elsewhere.
The Bird of Prey
How trite!
Your definition of "upstanding" and "contributing" must be very interesting indeed if I am to be excluded.
Last time I checked...
no jail time for me, only a handful of deleted posts, not a single "simmer down" warning from the management, no thread moderators requesting I cease posting to them or on their threads.
Sounds like my definition of "upstanding". I wonder if you meet that criteria?
As for "contributing"...
I've posted at least as much stock related material as you have.
The Bird of Prey
Well, the "cheating" thing really finally rubbed me the wrong way
My apologies. Perhaps I should have simply quoted the Fastclick Publishers Agreement instead.
http://www.fastclick.com/pub/pub_agmt.html
"Publishers agree to not artificially inflate traffic counts using a program (including scripts), device, or other means. Excessive page reloading or any other abuse of our system could result in legal action."
It's in the section called Fraud.
The Bird of Prey
PS Ad.htm was called via an iframe and contained a script the auto reloaded the page every 15 seconds.
Troy,
Since one of the posts you refer to when you chastise JM for his "last two posts" is simply a link to a post I made, it looks like your statement "they would be fully justified in creating special rules just to boot you" would also apply to me, therefore my response.
I completely agree that this is Bob's place. He makes the rules and decides who does and does not get to play. What I disagree with is an uneven enforcement or worse "creating special rules just to boot you".
Granted, JM is taxing the spit take meter almost every time he posts. But as long as he stays within the rules we'll just have to get protective screens for our monitors. And quite frankly, compared to some of the foul mouthed, JM is rather tame in the cursing department, and he does keep it to the boards where it is "allowed".
While you're playing crusader for removing folks from IH...will you be taking on the stalkers, the hypemiesters and hardcore bashers as well?
The Bird of Prey
Perhaps you did not "kick it to the side"...
But you boss did so...with enthusiasm.
the Bird of Prey
A predictable response. Only one point I will even comment on...
The fact that you "support" an ignore feature is a mighty fine reason not to have one.
The feature I supported was a new kind of ignore. One that did not prevent messages from being viewed, but one that prevented either of the parties involved from posting directly to the other. This was discussed in detail in March and never responded to at all...until now. I thought this would help stop some of the unwanted goings on here at IH without creating an RB or SI type atmosphere. There would be no need to brag that so and so was on ignore. You would still get to see what was being posted. More importantly it would make it real obvious in whom the real problem lay if one or both parties continued to make third party references to thier opponent, then MAtt would have cause to take action.
But since "I" support such that's reason enough to dismiss it altogether. It's always nice to know that an upstanding, contributing member of the community, with support from many others can be dismissed on a whim.
Typical Bob.
The Bird of Prey
Just out of curiosity, what has you so hell bent against me/Bob/Ihub as of late?
You were once one if IH's biggest supporters.
What happened that I missed?
Matt,
I have always distrusted Bob, nothing new there. Your mishandling of my flame war in March followed by the flippant dismissal of Poet's request for an ignore feature (which I supported) leads me to believe that you are following more closely to Bob's MO than advertised.
It seems clear that either Bob is truly running the show or has acquired you as another fervent believer in his system.
IMNSHO, IH will follow the path that SI took and achieve a measure of success until the flaws in Bob's "system" begin to negatively affect the quality of the site.
You'll have a year or two of stunning success followed by a period of deterioration until another message board site arises to begin taking the disgruntled users that leave in hope of a better place. In the end IH will be no better than SI is today, more likely (if Bob is at the helm) it will be like SI at it's low point. Which I remind you was low enough to inspire a enterprising young man from Tallahassee to start his own message board.
Suggest you reread my posts from middle to late March and the responses to those posts for background.
Good Luck. I'll still be around because during your "heyday" I can mint a few coins playing the sentiment indicator your site will be the barometer for. I'll even post the occasional barb.
Bird of Prey
Just thought I'd point out that the WEEKLY WAG winner from 4/26/02 looks very dated almost two weeks later!
yes
I noticed that the banner on the main page doesn't refresh every 15 seconds anymore. Did your banner server get wise and penalize you for...cheating?
>>Does Gary ever plan to return to the boards?
NO.
I wouldn't get too excited about your Alexa score.
1) Alexa's ranking is derived from average traffic over a 6 month period.
2) Six months ago IH average posts per day was ~500
3) IH average posts per day recently peaked at ~1050 (mid March)
4) IH currently averaging ~800 posts per day
Averages are derived from 20 day periods in the above reference. Based on the above I would expect the Alexa ranking to continue to rise slightly through June, after which, unless there is a significant increase in traffic from present levels, the ranking will begin to drop.
The Bird of Prey
P.S. The tracking of these numbers is relevant to my Stock Related Message Board Indicator. At present IH has not reached sufficient traffic to register a relevant signal.
Mikey,
Matt has no incentive to let you loose. As long as you keep posting here at the jail you generate "hits" for IH. That is what it's all about here now...Hits. I suggest you try a different tack. Guarantee that you'll post exclusively at IH..maybe 50 or 60 posts an hour. Guarantee that you'll be inciting others to respond to your posts in a similar fashion.
In simple terms, promise to help build the traffic. Maybe that will get you out of jail.
The Bird of Prey
P.S. be sure to add a large graphic and sound file to all of your posts. Got to keep up the entertainment value, you know.
There is little doubt that you take great pride in the recent events here at IH.
RagingBull is at 562 (Wow! -- wonder why lycos.com is only 1,750) and Yahoo Messages is at 198.
Obviously IH must strive to be more like them in order to reach such a lofty position.
>>That doesn't make it so.
At least until you tug at the bottom of your shirt as you say "Make it So!"
8-)
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Lawsuit?
Won't be necessary. Confession freely given. We can even skip the trial and go straight to the execution!
The Bird of Prey
Original,
We have a confession.
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/replies.asp?msg=317208
Is the Death Penalty appropriate?
The Bird of Prey
See?
Now that wasn't so hard, was it?
The Bird of Prey
Define burnt.
In this photo:
what is depicted is considered by many to be properly prepared toast. Sure, some that prefer their toast lightly browned might call this burnt, but many would only consider bread reduced to a charred lump to qualify as burnt.
As for who is responsible...
Obviously...
ola is responsible.
The Bird of Prey
Hi Paule,
I can only respond to the presentation. He has presented himself as a fanatical zealot where the existence of God is concerned.
WRT, his real feelings and emotions. Only he and God know that for certain. I would never presume to impose a set of values and emotions on another user beyond those they indicate in their posts. I usually try to let them be what they want to be.
You may have more insight into his behavior considering your long term interaction with him.
BTW, glad to see you participating again. I do enjoy your style.
The Bird of Prey
I'd say you've been doing a pretty good job here yourself!
I can see that you...
lacking a logical argument to support your position will resort to inane babbling insults of whatever portion of your opponents makeup you feel is vulnerable.
So in all fairness lets review a few of your more enlightening quotes from today...
I rely on the veracity of others...
You either believe these people and support their conclusions...
A wee bit of the pot calling the kettle black you've been doing here. This is exactly what you accuse those that believe in God of doing. Relying on the statements of others to prove something we have not experienced ourselves.
I know everything there is to know about ant psychology...
I know PRECISELY what stage of intellectual development ants have reached.
I had to pick myself up from the floor after these two whoppers. You later followed it up with the statement that you would have to access the information from it's sources before you could answer the question. I also recall in the last day or so you claiming to "know" everything there was to know about psychology. I doubt seriously there is a practising psychologist anywhere in the world foolish enough to make that statement, in light of the rapid changes and new revelations in the field occurring on a daily basis, the sheer impossibility of your statements only highlights your ignorance.
Well, in the great scheme that is life, it wasn't quite an accident...
REALLY!!! Almost did a spit take at this one. I could almost swear that some scientist somewhere has claimed that the initial combination of molecules that formed the basis of life here was "pure random luck" "a chance encounter". This statement of yours flies in the very face of the core of your hypothesis. In order for your view to be true, it had to be by accident and there is no ordered process to development. Everything is simply the result of it's interaction with it's environment.
All of which we can bind up neatly and cleanly with your own words.
Zealots and fanatics are not known for their sense of humor or abundance of character.
When it comes to denying the existence of God you are about as fanatical a zealot as can possibly exist.
The Bird of Prey
RW,
I wanted to thank you for what I consider to be the highest compliment you could give me. What I find amazing is that more people cannot present a contrary opinion without engaging in personal attacks or gloating if their prediction of a downturn should be correct.
For the most part this board IMO, is presenting information that a person reviewing the company can use to their benefit. It occasionally gets a little topheavy with cheerleading, but from what I've been able to gather it would be hard for some of you not to get excited when you are up double or triple your investment!
I've noticed several people announcing they are leaving because of the efforts of one person to disrupt the thread. From time to time there will always be disruptive influences on this and every other thread that ever exists. The one thing I've learned is that they rarely last long on a properly moderated thread. Don't give up on your thread yet. Challenge the admin if you have to but weather the storm and you'll be rewarded in the long run.
Besides, you can always suggest they learn how to present a negative opinion from me! 8-)
The Bird of Prey
just petition to have Matt ousted.
I see no need for such a drastic measure. Additionally since Matt is an owner of the site and the corporation is privately held, such a petition would be a vast waste of resources with no chance of success.
BTW, is it always your best response to make ridiculous suggestions that have no bearing on the discussion at hand?
Suggestions are fine and MIGHT be acted on, but demands are to be ignored.
And that is the spirit in which I make my suggestions. I have made no threat of retribution if the features (not rule changes) are not implemented. I have made no demand that they MUST be implemented. I have given sound logical reasons why they should be implemented, but ultimately that decision is in the hands of Management. For good or ill they will choose to implement or not implement the requested features.
BTW, manipulation is a double edged blade that can be wielded by both sides of an issue.
Well, thank you!
And imagine we accomplished that without namecalling or any kind of personal attack whatsoever. Pat yourself on the back!
I am referencing specifically to the removal of posts that violate the TOU. I am not discussing provisions under which a user might be suspended or terminated. That is an entirely different matter and your "shades of grey" reference is much more relevant to that topic. It is one thing to remove a post, quite another to remove a user.