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i didnt say u said newc was a scam
i said the group u referred to has a highly skewed view and
THEY say 99.9% of otc stocks are scams and essentially all sec stocks which are on sec radar or which have had a run-in w the sec
i had already read renees post before u posted it and the fraud and research groups(as they view themselves) skewed reaction long before u posted it-the whole thing!
i was already aware its rare to get relisted but that it happens on rare occasions
of course they think 99.9% of otc stocks are scams and they believe every stock demoted by the sec is a scam and they apparently believe everything the swamp sec did- and reportedly short stocks which have any kind of run-in w the sec- imo they are extreme
the majority of startups fail due to the cold hard reality of the world-that doesnt mean every start up was a scam
who are the private startups which fail scamming?
its easier to make lots of money shorting stocks -esp during the swamp era -than it is to actually do something -add to the gnp etc-than start a company
with this board?
nothings happened for years at the mine bc the new ceo said he didnt have any responsibility to communicate anything to shareholders-so we didnt even know brad had lost the concession for years
the co was sold to brad ca april or may 2013
and it was that guy that drove the co into the ground -who didnt even register the new ownership w otc or sec-and who apparently allowed the almost 7 million dollars from the ilia shipment to be stolen-
I've reported on these things
u cant look up cwrn on otc now bc cwrn has been delisted as a stock
a nasty way they have of even preventing ppl from looking up delisted co's historically
brad never listed w otc nvsos etc and so after years of inactivity cwrn has been delisted,bypassing the normal bankruptcy etc proceedings
see my longer somewhat recent posts
so the only activity i know of is the usual spate of lawsuits that are common to so many companies-suits longs have followed via dd-last i knew 3 of the 4 lawsuits by bob against brad were still ongoing-bob trying to recover his equipment etc plus criminal lawsuits against brad-all reported on before
from a recent pr -look up the date -i've posted it before -
the shallow zones had "low chloride water."
Given the thermal gradient, flow rates, surface pressure and low salinity, certain ministries within the Israeli government have made requests of Zion concerning the use of the well as a water monitoring well.
those who wish to lower pps to .0001 contradicted the PR's by a litany of high pitched cries of "high" salinity-they were wrong
the 2 shallower zones are of low salinity
the well was not commercial re oil and lower zones at least are apparently capped off w possible temporary upper cap to allow israeli ministries who requested this to use the upper zones as a water monitoring well
but then, as i said, certain parties improperly claimed it could not be used for water purposes either now or in the future due to thier false claim of "high" salinity
zn's testing as shown by pr's showed upper 2 zones were low salinity=this should not be surprising as:
1)there are 4 water wells some miles almost directly west
2)the well is only 3-4 miles from the jordan river- connected to Israels main supply of fresh water originating in the Mt Hermon mtn range-a snow capped mtn.
3)it is surrounded on 3 sides by a river and mountains(such as mountains are in israel but they serve their hydrological cycle purpose)
since some improperly claimed high salinity i simply showed:
low salinity
and since a water well has 2 primary purposes - first as a source of water for human consumption and secondarily for agriculture
i provided cites for salinity levels in the usa -which are allowed up to 1000 ppm salt for drinking and 2000 ppm salt for agricultural use,but the highest posted city was ca 129 ppm.
Since these 2 purposes provide the parameters for and inform a water well,that means that zn's statement of low salinity means the salinity is by all logic at most less than 2000 ppm and likely less than 1000 ppm and very possibly -within the context of salinity levels of drinking water in usa cities-less than 100 ppm salt.
So, given this "low salinity", the well could be used as a water well in the future.
Those screaming high salinity said it could not.
Those were the parameters of the debate.
If you continually bait and switch the subject matter at your illogical pleasure,you will never be informed by nor learn logic,a subject out of favor with this generation.
Zone 4:
1,784-1,775 meters flowed naturally and continuously to surface. The fluid characteristics obtained from monitoring samples taken while the well was flowing indicated low chloride water.
Zone 5:
1,232.5-1,228 meters flowed naturally and continuously to surface. The fluid characteristics obtained from monitoring samples taken while the well was flowing indicated low chloride water.
"The fluid did not contain hydrocarbons, and further testing at this time is not warranted. Zion is currently in discussions with the Israeli government on plugging obligations. Given the thermal gradient, flow rates, surface pressure and low salinity, certain ministries within the Israeli government have made requests of Zion concerning the use of the well as a water monitoring well.
absolutely -the known and suggested by geology facts are shown in tothe's compilation of research posts in the ibox
but those who automatically rejected all the science(and everything else) and said mj1 would be a dry hole before it was even spudded
and are now rejecting the new approach before it is even tried-hmmm -maybe some dont want zn to succeed-and that would be because...
it is logical-after so much science indicated oil-to follow through w a broader 3d seismic
if at first u dont succeed try try again mr kidd
u know, the majority of startups - both private and public -fail -this is well known- but that does not mean those failed businesses are scams- who are the private businesses scamming when they fail -starting a business is hard-
zn is in an unusual position which allows them to fail much more than most-due to the unique potential pool of 100's of millions of world wide investors who believe in the cause
after all these years zn has their dream team and are increasingly employing more advanced science-that includes the 3d seismic
and by process of elimination are zeroing in on what those many 100's of millions believe is there
geological processes are not bound by national borders-if they were israel would not now have the huge off shore gas fields
the same rationale applies to oil
before the offshore gas fields were discovered many said it was not possible
if everybody took the rationale of do nothing but attack everything monday morning quarterbacks we would still be living in caves and wouldnt have these forums-food for thought
good find-will change the geopolitical situation in europe where russia now uses its natural gas-and europes lack thereof -as a weapon
and thus europe likely will become more friendly to israel
which may in turn help zn with suppliers and partners etc
just as saudi arabia and egypt are now telling arab nations to cease their hostility to israel
israel already has gas agreements w jordan and egypt re those israeli gas fields
thanks for the translation- google translations are often difficult to understand-does anybody here use a better translation service?
I'll come into agreement with that
time for tisdal or tothe to list the dates for upcoming events?
such as date of end of latest raise,which is in one of the disclosures
reports to israeli agencies
the new work program?
zn probably update us after the raise is finished
https://www.schumachercargo.com/il/
not the shipping time that takes so long but finding available items at the time u need them
tankers often traverse the wider pacific ocean from baja to china in 22 days
if your broker doesnt show L2,you can go to this page(and other sites)during trading hours to find the mm's for zn- they are not displayed when the market is closed(except possibly during extended trading hours)
ignore the dig about zn being an otc stock- zn is a nasdaq stock
https://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/ZN/quote
although the above has the word otc in it otcmarkets.com is a public co which displays info for both otc and big board stocks
nothing of the sort
https://www.calculator.net/circle-calculator....1&y=20
provides a 2.4792264725533 mile radius, a 4.9584529451066 mile diameter and a 15.577439345517 mile circumference
kyoil had already determined and posted a long time ago that there would be a 2.5 mile [kilometer or mile i didnt remember] radius
https://www.zionoil.com/updates/press-release...g-forward/
from the nov 29 pr:
" a focused 3D seismic imaging shoot of approximately 50 square kilometers surrounding the MJ#1 well."
surrounding means on all sides and also implies equidistant or near equidistant
this eliminates the contention that the survey would be 50 km in one direction
there are essentially no homes within that 2.5 mile radius-the nearest homes would be the southernmost homes of the kibbutz from whom zn already leases the well site-and i would have to calculate whether any are within 2.5 miles-if so they could work around them
so there are no major obstacles-but it does make u wonder what could be accomplished if all the non stop negative imaginations could be recycled into productive uses
you are free to create whatever shape your imagination desires-doesnt mean it will be logical
obviously the geophysics focused on the area surrounding the present well- the geophysics didnt have any bizarre shapes as u propose
zn will probably use a modified circle - i simply chose a square bc thats something easy to compute in my head while balancing several pr's etc as info sources-if u ever did any dd u might understand
and zn likely would not use a perfect circle bc of the limitations of the jordan river and possibly the west bank
50 sq kilometers etc implies the area around the well- everything does
https://www.zionoil.com/updates/press-release-november-29-zion-oil-gas-plans-going-forward/
from the Nov 29 PRpr
with a focused 3D seismic imaging shoot of approximately 50 square kilometers surrounding the MJ#1 well.
that does NOT mean 50 kilometers distant
!!!!thats ultra crazy!
https://www.dollartimes.com/calculate/area/sq...e-miles/50
which in a square would be 4.395 miles on a side of a square,which would make sense bc that would not include the closest town Beit Shean nor pass over the Jordan River some 3-4 miles away nor likely cross over into the West Bank ca -3-4 miles away
and could include a little extra land to the west or nw or ne
i've already posted that damage at most might include decoupling of some irrigation pipes -if they even use irrigation pipes-probably not inareas close to the well- israelis are renowned for their water conserving agricultural tech-
the water year is from october to april w fields lying fallow starting in may
zn implied 6 months to acquire and "install" equipment,so zn would most likely be doing that just as fields become fallow and hopefully finishing before fields were planted again-
zn obviously would plan in the way that causes the least damage starting in areas that are fallow 1st and finishing in areas before planted
i'm sorry u dont understand-
my posts -w corroborating evidence from 3rd sources-
show there is some salt in all ground aquifers-
and there is salt in all american cities drinking water-
and as we all know many cities purposely add salt in the form of chlorine to purify water!!!
and there are no WHO guidelines for salt in drinking water-which must mean it is not dangerous within thresholds where ppl would voluntarily drink it-i.e.,if water is palatable to drink,the amount of salt in the water is not a danger
obviously unpalatability is reached before one reaches the concentration of salt in ocean water
though i could find no definition for low chloride in ppm the use of the term low chloride presumptively means it is within safe limits for drinking and agriculture
and i have provided evidence that low chloride is presumed to be safe for drinking and agriculture-otherwise it would not be "low chloride"
due to the obsession over what some-without any evidence -presume to be too much salt in zn's well for either drinking or agriculture i note:
from the info below we can arrive at some logical conclusions:
chloride by itself in drinking water has no health based guidelines- salty water is easily detectable to taste though ppl can get accustomed to a certain amount of salt (before salt concentrations reach the danger level)
and thus water that bears no detectable taste of salt is assumed at a minimum to be safe to drink
No health-based guideline value is proposed for chloride in drinking-water!!!
any guidelines would have to tank into account the volume of water consumed plus how much salt was ingested via food-the body is partly salt and requires some salt
CONCLUSIONS
Chloride concentrations in excess of about 250 mg/litre can give rise to detectable taste in
water, but the threshold depends upon the associated cations. Consumers can, however,
become accustomed to concentrations in excess of 250 mg/litre. No health-based guideline
value is proposed for chloride in drinking-water.
Chloride in Drinking-water - World Health Organization
https://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/chloride.pdf
Originally published in Guidelines for drinking-water quality, 2nd ed. Vol. 2. Health criteria and .... GENERAL DESCRIPTION. Identity ... Chloride in water may be considerably increased by treatment processes in which chlorine or chloride is ...
notice long beach, el paso and phoenix -all over 100 parts of sodium
plus the air in long beach was so thick with oil when i was there it was hard to breathe.
http://www.mgwater.com/mgrank.shtml
if zions attackers had red these limits they would've noticed:
"fresh water - official salt concentration limits in drinking water US: 1000 ppm
typical limit agriculture irrigation : 2000 ppm
i assume the "low salt"(the shallower zones)of zions well were within those limits or they wouldnt be ''low salt''
there is some salt in the public drinking water in every listed american city as per a site i saw yesterday
sorry nothing about bobs cwrn was a scam-and leaning on one court case against the mountain of defamation law is dangerous
shipped 4 ships of iron to bao steel-which varied from 2nd to 3rd largest steelmaker in the world and wanted to buy cwrn
btw if zn's well had as much salt as some ascribe it could be valuable-
untold millions are made from the salt in the dead sea(one of the riches that may prompt the future invasion of israel by russia) and great salt lake
https://www.livescience.com/56941-great-salt-lake.html
all natural water contains some salt bc of geological processes but zn's well had low salt-also many cities add some form of chlorine to safeguard their water supplies
so just bc zn's well has a small amount of salt does not mean its 'saltwater' in the vernacular being used to mislead
the ocean and salton sea would be examples of saltwater w concentrations already specified- not the same as zn's well water
already been explained before as has everything else
thanks buddy-you have an excellent Christmas also -remembering the basis for our hope.
Plus, yes, this was the 1st time they found an active system, which leads them to believe if they can find the source rock which should have been there they will find the reservoir -and thus the 3d to hopefully find the expected reservoir- by the process of elimination alone they must be getting close,plus as mr browns latest missive pointed out these are the conditions that produce the fruit.
3rd party analysis showed favorable conditions
and, as tisdal confirmed, this was the 1st time anybody can remember them finding a potential water well(with potential revenue from israel for water or water testing purposes as PR'd)-water before oil- also reminds me of a 2000 year old miracle,which we know as a fact,although in that case the water didnt turn into oil.
if u had read any of my past posts or cwrn reports u would know
cwrn did not ship any 58 % except for some on the 1st ship,
and thats bc cwrn did not obtain the 1st 68 drill hole reports til after the 1st ship sailed so did not locate veins til after 1st ship
plus the mag separator was only operational for a few days before trucking for the 1st ship began
actually the fert i believe was 55% iron
who are u trying to kid -the byproduct is 58% iron- thats by product-and internationally ore sells down to 50%
they were going to ship a boat of fert to oregon aug 2012 but mexico suddenly demanded an iron ore export permit to the usa for the fert bc it- a byproduct of a byproduct- was 52% iron
ca 50% of most usa iron ore is contaminants which have to be removed via beneficiation,as per an extensive usa survey of iron deposts -a 150 page report i posted many times
a speculative companies value is not limited to cash on hand- thats beyond ridiculous
plus zn expects to raise 10 million in only 6 weeks-which would be an incredible testimony for any company without revenue and a testament to zions unusually large potential worldwide shareholder base
plus zn, after raising that 10 million, will have a very favorable current ratio
their current ratio was already favorable, with, as per last 10q -7269 current assets and 4537 current liabilities- 987 of which was only contingent derivative liability- a better current ratio than many of the best blue chips
and after raising 10 mil, assuming then a total of 15 mil cash equivalents alone, that would be a current ratio achieved by very few blue chips-i would name them but thats not allowed
plus companies market value is almost never limited to cash on hand- thats crazy
value companies -which are relatively rare- are any company whose market value is below 3 times book value
spec companies market value is on average much higher than the normal book to market valuation- often 50 times book-based on forward potential-not current book
the companies book- stock holders equity -is over 36 mil as per last 10q
so even a market value of 200 mil would be a paltry 5.5 times book
zn's previous low before recent events was twice the current pps-before the present team -before solely geophysics was informing the drilling-before -thru a process of elimination,if nothing else,was closing in on the oil that geophysics and other sources say is in israel
before zn signaling they would use 3d- which many said zn should have used and now complain when zn is going to use 3d! contradictory
as i've said many times and as test results showed many times cwrn doesnt have low grade ore
bao doesnt buy low grade ore
the fines are a byproduct of the lump ore
and the byproduct itself is 58%
as i have noted other times a r/s is not the only option to raise pps to one dollar
if companies meet certain other metrics like mkt value etc they dont have to meet one dollar bid price
many times i've pointed out other oil and gas companies based in dallas just like zn who have thus gone 5 years without meeting the one dollar pps -one such company has been in the 18-25c range for last ca year
also focusing on just r/s is another attack on the company,and assumes the company wont be able to show value
this is so low ball priced already due to incredible noise that anything that shows value could dramatically increase pps
more examples where a single truck was just as good as a group of trucks
re the histrionics re possible damage from 3d seismic, anybody who knows how the world works today knows contracts have to take into account any possible contingency
farmers, like every body else, exercise self preservation when it comes to their land, their crops and irrigation pipes
i would expect any damages to be minor- perhaps nearby irrigation pipes loosened at couplings- but many earthquakes have been in the area and they could cause the same
this does not mean that damages are guaranteed but provides for a framework in case they occur-and allows each party to possess a better understanding of the process-the unknown is always scary-so the contracts help remove the unknown
nothing scary -nothing earth shattering-just bc some cry 'the sky is falling' everyday doesnt mean it is-it never has yet despite countless tons of much bigger events- israelis have much bigger things to worry about
https://csegrecorder.com/articles/view/an-evaluation-of-single-vibrator-single-sweep-3d-seismic-acquisition
compiling some 3d seismic info for tothe
https://www.usgeophysical.com/
good find- i've seen this kind of thing before -just using i truck with pressure plates - no dynamite-and even though the trucks i've seen are good sized they look like they are acceptable to drive on roads road-and no big problem if they arent
dont know what the date of the article is but i dont think they are the only ones using one just truck at a time
2. ONE SMALL LIGHTWEIGHT SEISMIC TRUCK: Our energy source truck is smaller and lighter than many other seismic trucks you may have seen. It is a short lightweight highway-legal truck with only one rear axle. This is not a giant truck with monster tires. Its small size means it has surprisingly low impact on the land. Ask to see pictures.
Also we only use one small truck rather than a convoy of several trucks.
3. HIGH FREQUENCY ENERGY SOURCE ON THE TRUCK: It’s not only that our truck is smaller than other seismic trucks. The energy source that is on the truck is also better. It transmits a higher percentage of its energy in high-frequency sound waves than previous generations of energy sources that are still used by many seismic contractors. We also have newer geophones that are better able to receive and record the reflections from these higher frequency transmissions.
Higher frequency waves mean higher resolution images.
All energy is created with the truck.
We do not drill shot holes and we do not use dynamite.
https://www.oilandgaslawyerblog.com/how-do-se...veys-work/
https://www.domeenergy.com/3d-seismic-imaging...-industry/
https://www.dea-group.com/en/media/seismic-su...atural-gas
https://www.pgs.com/data-library/europe/mediterranean/
http://www.drillingformulas.com/basic-underst...ploration/
maybe israel could lend one of its supercomputers,though i understand supercomputers are not really necessary to interpret 3d now
yes 3d is much cheaper than it used to be
bao -which varied from 3rd to the 2nd largest steel co in the world - thought cwrn's ore was great -they even wanted to buy cwrn-no doubt why vp of baa board visited cwrn- but keep trying to change history
i'm sorry for your confusion between a mag separator to separate dirt from any ore no matter how good, a trommel to separate by products,and benefciation-perhaps if u had read any of my dd re these things instead of auto rejecting them u might be able to understand
as i've said before as long as jc keeps making promises and says he is working on the problem the s/l has not likely run out
if u did your research u would know that wasnt true
would u rather there be no communication whatsoever especially as nobody has apparently taken my suggestions to do the dd necessary to build a case
research the pr's etc and map the difference between the promises and the reality
research the outside co's in the pr's campo said the company had contracts etc with to see if those companies exist and whether those companies mention the nnlx contracts in their pr's etc
most lawyers are lazy beasts who do not like to do that work and why should they for 500/hr for the extreme specialty lawyers u need for something like this
i'm sure they are also aware that many clients dont follow through - but if ppl do that kind of research the lawyers will take them more seriously
no problem w sulfur at the mine,as shown many times - baja is not like the rest of mexico but as explained many times most usa ore has ca 50% impurities-i posted along study re this several times- which thus requires beneficiation
so baja is a good place to be re those issues
glad i could help out -but as tisdal and others explained, geophysics were used to determine where to drill,which is why they and outsiders did a lot of geophysics interpretation
good find- i've seen this kind of thing before -just using i truck with pressure plates - no dynamite-and even though the trucks i've seen are good sized they look like they are acceptable to drive on roads road-and no big problem if they arent
dont know what the date of the article is but i dont think they are the only ones using one just truck at a time
2. ONE SMALL LIGHTWEIGHT SEISMIC TRUCK: Our energy source truck is smaller and lighter than many other seismic trucks you may have seen. It is a short lightweight highway-legal truck with only one rear axle. This is not a giant truck with monster tires. Its small size means it has surprisingly low impact on the land. Ask to see pictures.
Also we only use one small truck rather than a convoy of several trucks.
3. HIGH FREQUENCY ENERGY SOURCE ON THE TRUCK: It’s not only that our truck is smaller than other seismic trucks. The energy source that is on the truck is also better. It transmits a higher percentage of its energy in high-frequency sound waves than previous generations of energy sources that are still used by many seismic contractors. We also have newer geophones that are better able to receive and record the reflections from these higher frequency transmissions.
Higher frequency waves mean higher resolution images.
All energy is created with the truck.
We do not drill shot holes and we do not use dynamite.
https://www.oilandgaslawyerblog.com/how-do-seismic-surveys-work/
i've seen info on these things before- and from those sources it seems that using the vibration method of the metal plates on a heavy vehicle designed for that purpose is more common than dynamite in a big hole
In on-shore data acquisition the energy source for a seismic survey is either Vibroseis or an explosive charge, generally some form of dynamite or an explosive product called primacord. A Vibroseis truck has a large metal plate under the center of the truck body that is lowered onto the ground so that the entire weight of the truck is on the plate. The plate is then caused to vibrate at a specified power and frequency, creating seismic waves that travel into the ground. A single vibrator truck can generate more than 40,000 pounds of ground force, and usually four or five trucks are clustered together to create the energy at each source point, creating a combined ground force of 150,000 to 200,000 pounds.
vibroseis truck