Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
Register for free to join our community of investors and share your ideas. You will also get access to streaming quotes, interactive charts, trades, portfolio, live options flow and more tools.
That is like saying to Michael Phelps yes, you have won several gold metals, and clearly and decisively won, but did you wiggle your toes in the water to help propel you? We got unphathomable results and you are a spoiled sport.
I mean it when I say I truly would never wish you or anyone close to you to get cancer, but hypothetically wouldn't you want the cancer identified early and after treatment the piece of mind that it could easily be monitored God forbid it returned OR SPREAD SOMEWHERE ELSE? That is why I don't understand your obsession with our failure. These are "stand up and take notice" results. You have to admit that. The ISOBM is the perfect platform to get this data noticed.
Irene Ng**, Janneta Tcherkassova**, Nina Lyubimova***, Ricardo Moro* (rmoro@biocurex.com)
*BioCurex, 215-7080 River Road, Richmond, BC, Canada V6X 1X5
**Pacific Biosciences Research Centre, Richmond BC, Canada
***N.N. Blokhin Cancer Research Centre, Moscow, Russia
Now what? Still in denial?
Everything has to confirmed. There is a process that occurs. I don't think anyone could guess that well. Read the part that says all test were done in a similar matter.
Results: All formats performed in a similar manner (r>0.85). The table below shows the results:
Cancer type
Nr of Cancers
Nr of Normals
Cutoff (Units)
Sensitivity
Specificity
Liver *
15
128
4,900
100%
94%
Pancreatic #
10
50
4,600
100%
95%
Stomach 1st study *
48
40
4,600
90%
98%
Stomach 2nd study *
15
128
4,550
100%
94%
Colorectal &
51
85
4,800
100%
93%
Look with your own two eyes. Open them. What do you see? I see a giant leap forward in the fight against cancer. The odds may be stacked against a small biotech company, but they are not zero. The cream always rises. Look at these numbers and tell why we don't have a chance. I am waiting!!!Results: All formats performed in a similar manner (r>0.85). The table below shows the results:
Cancer type
Nr of Cancers
Nr of Normals
Cutoff (Units)
Sensitivity
Specificity
Liver *
15
128
4,900
100%
94%
Pancreatic #
10
50
4,600
100%
95%
Stomach 1st study *
48
40
4,600
90%
98%
Stomach 2nd study *
15
128
4,550
100%
94%
Colorectal &
51
85
4,800
100%
93%
Let's talk about the latest data. Spin it. I my gosh run for the hills. Sell, sell, sell. You are ridiculous and now it is killing that I am right again and you are wrong. When Dr Moro gets the Nobel Prize I guess you will still be here never apologizing or rescinding your tales of whoa. I look forward and am proud to be an investor in this company. You stand for everything that is wrong with the stock market. In the end kharma is a bitc*, and Dr Moro will succeed. He has already. Sorry if you can't see what is right before your eyes.
Kag,"I certainly have an opinion about how the story is going to turn out."
OPINIONS are not a reason for you to be here. You made up your mind no matter how good the data keeps coming you see us fail. You must be kidding. You always come back saying "Good grief" because you are frustrated when someone is right and you are MOST DEFINITELY WRONG!!!!
What was your response when you learned we have 2 licenses, well Abbott wants nothing to do with us. Wrong!
"investors are left to "fill in the blanks" .............INVESTORS. You own nothing and you are filling in the blank with your horrific tales of biotech companies never make it. WRONG! You must learn to walk before you can run. Simple laws of nature.
"It is my hope that my posts are of some benefit to others in helping them not get separated from their money. kag".....Exactly.........it is my hope in helping others. You sir, are the antithesis of hope!
Results: All formats performed in a similar manner (r>0.85). The table below shows the results:
Cancer type
Nr of Cancers
Nr of Normals
Cutoff (Units)
Sensitivity
Specificity
Liver *
15
128
4,900
100%
94%
Pancreatic #
10
50
4,600
100%
95%
Stomach 1st study *
48
40
4,600
90%
98%
Stomach 2nd study *
15
128
4,550
100%
94%
Colorectal &
51
85
4,800
100%
93%
If anyone is not blown away then you don't have a clue. IMO, we will see many collaborations and licenses. You can see why Dr Moro is confident about the future of our company.
Sorry to the naysayers. What you see is what you get. No more no less. SPIN THAT!!!!!!!! You have to be on board now. Those are not small samples and you cannot fudge the data.
Also look at the type of cancers. There presently are not any markers
Kag will wait for a few more posts and hope everyone forgets what I just wrote, and it will be business as usual. You must not lead too exciting of a life. I do have a reason to be here. I actually own shares, and there was a time that useful information and constructive discussions were engaging. Now, it's entertainment and plumbing. I am here to clean out the cra*.
"Mysscat,
From all the posts I have written on this board.....Kag."
We deserve an explanation why you would spend your precious time on this planet to come up with reasons why Biocurex will fail. Life is too short for anyone to commit 1 minute of their life to this chatroom, but you have spent endless hours on a company whose mission is to save lives. Whose fooling who? I AM A SHAREHOLDER!
Can you respond or how is it that the moderator of a investment chatroom dedicated to a specific company owns no shares?
I will continue to be encouraged by the results of the team at Biocurex, and I have witnessed over the years tremendous progress. I do have alot to be encouraged about. They have removed one obstacle after another. Just when people count them out theyadvance the science further. It is viable and serves a great need in the fight against cancer. What is so terrible about our progress that you and others have an obsession with praying for our demise? It is almost as perplexing as finding a cure for cancer.
'
'
I forgot it's the end of the world. I guess Dr Moro should just call it quits. Thanks for your contributions to the board. I guess all the shareholders should give up hope.
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ( Anyone who saw Borat should be laughing)
No one is interested in what your opinion is, so do you really think anyone cares that your ego is bruised?
Hey Kag and Gs, are either of you published in scientific journals. I didn't think so. You are both like Perez Hilton. You are both here for shareholder entertainment. Sorry if I burst your bubble.
Please note that Dr. Moro is doing 2 presentations at ISOBM 2008:
RECAF as a Cancer Marker for Gastrointestinal Diseases,
Ricardo Moro, BioCurex, Canada (Oral presentation, Workshop 5, that was unfortunately not included in the abstract book; its title can be found at: http://isobm08.umin.jp/ISOBM_Program... page number 20)
The other is entitled:
"A New RECAF ELISA and Its Correlation with the Chemiluminescence RECAF Assay" and it can be found in the Abstract book edited by Karger at http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB... .
We are now published in Tumour Biology. Remember the days when Recaf was thought to be scam? I would say with what has transpired Dr Moro is a rock star at the ISOBM.
Dr. Kenneth Pennington, member of the oncology team at the Goshen Center for Cancer Care stated: “The ability to detect evidence of active cancer in saliva is very exciting when considering the potential for screening for common cancers such as breast and lung cancer. If the previous findings are confirmed in early stage disease, then a new paradigm for screening for common cancers will exist.”
I ask you. Is that a pessimistic statement as GS is claiming? Dr Pennington is being quoted in a press release. No one put words in his mouth. He said it is "very exciting when considering the potential." He then expanded the study. That was a ridiculous comment by GS and totally absurd!
Previous results obtained with serum samples have shown that the RECAF test can in fact detect early stages (Stage I and II) of prostate and breast cancer; where the curability is highest. These results have been presented at an international cancer congress (early stage detection of prostate cancers) and are the subject of two manuscripts in preparation to be submitted for publication in scientific journals.
Dr Moro said:
"It would be very expensive for the insurance companies to test each person with a pallet of say 20 types of biomarkers specific to only one type of cancer.
I see an industry that will start with a Recaf to separate Cancerous persons from non cancerous persons. Those with cancer will then be exposed to a pallet of cancer specific biomarkers and or scanned to internally locate it."
"We’ll be talking to a number of research and clinical labs at ISBM 2008 and we expect to arrange several collaborations using the ELISA format."
"The size of the market for follow up, monitoring therapy and determining if a lump is malignant or benign is very large."
"Inverness has paid so far $1M for rights to the RECAF tests and the project has a very high level of priory within their organization."
These are facts. Not opinions. You would never 'bash' an investment you own (Nor would I!)
I am here to right a wrong. I have said it over and over that I am a large shareholder that knows from talking to management from time to time that there are false rumors and innuendos posted to have a negative connotation to frighten shareholders. There is no credibility.
I think there are some dispicable actions perpetrated and those individuals never owned the stock. I am entitled to my own conclusions that I have summized over a long period of time.
I have been critical of management in the past and I have never been shy If I had a question or concern. I probably irritate Dr Moro, but he has been forthright and has answered very tough questions directly on Agoracom.
All we get here is OPINIONS.
There is no way that anyone would sabatoge themself financially, so for the record you own NO SHARES IN BIOCUREX. If you say you do, I personally would not believe you.
That is inconsequential. The point is the only reason the actual shareholders respond is to remove the unfounded fear you and others promote. I would love for you to do this with your real names and not a mask to hide behind.
You have been trying to put a dagger in us for many years and we keep advancing.
Let's summarize:
Zolax-owns no shares
Kag- owns no shares
TedF/BiotechBonanza-owns no shares
Goldseeker-owns 42 shares.
The most negative prolific posters have no shares and act like they are at the negotiating table for every deal, doing the research and collecting data, having phone conversations with Dr Moro and his research team, and presenting at the cancer meetings.
If this doesn't equate to share price manipulation I don't know what does.
This is why it is a flat out lie!
"He did not seem pleased that this information was even released. He also said we would not hear anything more for at least 2 to 3 years." Those are YOUR WORDS NOT HIS.
He was QUOTED in the press release and made encouraging remarks. You are saying that they posted this information and they did not have his support!
Wouldn't you ask yourself if there was 90%+ sensitivity with saliva-recaf why wouldn't you expand the study? If he said anything during your alleged conversation it would make sense to say he would say they are encouraged, and they won't comment on expectations until they have tested an adequate varity of types and stages of cancer. He would not have a job if he said anything to bias the data at this point. His job is objective. Gather data. Report the data. That is it. You comments are based on opinion. If he saw that it would not work he would not EXPAND the study. Does that action imply his findings were negative? You put YOUR inerpretion on everything to create doubt. You can't refute data or the actions by Dr Pennington. GS, you are out of bullets.
And..............?
We are all ears!
Just because certain individuals write their OPINIONS they don't mean they are true. The creativity to create doubt and fear as of late is certainly amusing, but after crying wolf way too many times I would bet all of my shares (and I am) that we have something unique that will garner alot of attention this week.
For the investors that have held on IMO, I bet they are pretty happy they figured out your motives before they pulled the trigger. As for GS, it would sicken most investors if you DID buy shares.
Patents need to be placed. Dr Moro is very systematic. You will see quite a few milestones achieved, but all ducks must be in a row.
The rapid test demonstrated better performance than CA-125. Bottomline.
Dr Moro acknowledged the bashing. Let's call a spade a spade.
This site is now for entertaiment purposes. No investment decisions should be based on OPINIONS from anyone on this board. They are opinions only. Beware.
It is not going to work anymore. Unsuspecting investors will be notified of what has been happening as a result of some determined individuals to see our groundbreaking technology not make to the market.
Need I say more. What timing! Read this and you decide.
.
"The thrust of Friday's announcement concerned a saliva test that may or may not ever materialize, at some future time, in a benefitual way to shareholders. The chances that some of the stock purchased on Friday being underwater soon is high. I am shocked that the run-up buyers on Friday do not appear to understand that basic principle of investing in biotechs.Kag"
I rest my case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The pattern is to bash the company, create doubt which causes fear and irrational selling. The perpetrators of the fear use the artificially lowered share price and build up a large amount of shares and they sell into any good news making a killing on a percentage basis. EZ money. The suckers are the unknowing shareholders that take the bait and sell. It should be illegal.
This has been a pattern for quite awhile. Believe me, this chatroom has made alot of money for a particular group of individuals. After Friday's news they are trying to discount this as nothing significant to start the pattern all over again.
I was attracted as an investor by the fact that all cancers could be identified with a drop of blood. Now that all cancers could be identified with a drop of saliva, and having the spotlight on Dr Moro this week has me very convinced this year's ISOBM will be extraordinary. There are some individuals on this board that are definitely getting nervous and are grasping at straws to create doubt. The tides turned on Friday. They know it. I feel sorry that Greatgrandma and several others that took the bait.
Can't you stop what you are doing and finally give Dr Moro some credit for his accomplishments?
Do you consider Dr Moro's work meaningless and has no value whatsoever? Say it. Show your true colors.
Are you that spiteful and full of hate that it is killing you that we are about to be commercialized and this year's ISOBM will be put us in touch with some major sources of collaborations and potential licensees.
Whoever sold on your advice would love to give you a piece of their mind. I don't know who would even consider selling into next week's meeting unless they are attempting to manipulate the share price.
It is very apparent that Friday's news is a hard pill for you to swallow. The fact that recaf is going to be THE ONLY UNIVERSAL MARKER that is detectable in saliva has to make you upset. I'll bet Inverness will be watching the pilot study at Goshen.
Goldseeker you are so oblivious to how shareholders feel about where we are today. This a small biotech company that has accomplished with less money spent over a 5 year period than what a major pharmaceutical company spends in one month!
There is nothing of value that shareholders care about that you have posted as of late Now you have the nerve to post information from 5 years ago. All you area accomplishing is using up your daily 15 free posts.
Let's discuss where the company is going.
Let's discuss what Dr Moro will be presenting at the ISOBM.
Let's discuss why you advise new members of this chatroom to do a private placement to further dilute shares when they can boost our share price buying on the open market.
Let's discuss all of Dr Moro's accomplishments. You have to admit that saliva-recaf will definitely spawn interest at the ISOBM.
It is hardly mindblowing that a RECAF saliva test could detect, with some false positives, cancer in patients who have late-stage, widespread cancer. Are you having difficulty understanding what was written in today's press release, or are you just trying to pump the stock? kag
I love that when a shareholder (which means an individual that has a VESTED interest in the company and is CURRENTLY IN POSSESSION of shares of that company) is said to be pumping a stock when it is evident that I only feel compelled to right a wrong. This board has cost myself and other shareholders too much money by certain individuals perpetrating lies, and bending the truth to create doubt. Why investors would use the information on this chatroom to make an investment decision (buy or sell) is a recipe for disaster.
Dr Moro stated they have over 90% success with saliva-recaf will soon be close to 100% accurate meaning almost perfect results. The PSA is about 60%.
Bottom line..............big score for shareholders nice 33% upside. It is a UNIQUE cancer test in that it will test for all cancers with a tiny sample of saliva. Just the fact that recaf can now detect cancer in saliva is mindblowing.
What has transpired is a whole realm of new and exciting possibilities for using recaf that will generate another income stream.
I am pleased. The usual suspects are losing control and I bet they are not too pleased by this major announcement. You cannot discount the fact that recaf is in saliva and it is detectable only because of Biocurex's knowledge and know-how.
Read biocurex's mission statement:
Reducing human suffering by detecting cancer earlier with patented technology
BioCurex's RECAF(tm) marker is found in all types of major cancers
I am sure that you are not happy that shareholders are no longer giving you this forum to create doubt or fear.
Perpetrators on this website without mentioning any names have robbed innocent and unknowing shareholders with your hysteria.
Sorry, but shareholders are not going to take it any longer.
WRONG. Just like you said there is no use for screening with a universal cancer marker. Your world has begun to spin out of control because you will have to deal with nonstop news now that the game changed today. How many times do investors have to learn to stop using OPINIONS of individuals. Shame on all that try and spin this. Again you discount the fact that RECAF CAN BE DETECTED IN SALIVA! THe floodgates are opening you guys are going to need alot more scare tactics. This is a breakthrough it it previously was not known that recaf was present in saliva. Goldseeker and many others used this argument before that there are better and easier ways to detect cancer. Recaf is a UNIQUE marker. It will be the holy grail toward a cure. I'll stick those words in the bank for later when I cash in.
Recaf is in saliva that is the point!
Goldseeker, there is something important you purposely are neglecting to mention to anyone who even believes your tales of whoa (like misleading investors on the license with Abbott which IS intact, and today trying to say that Goshen scientists intentionally left out early stage cancers again a false statement, and the saliva test had only 90% sensitivity which Dr Moro said HE can get it very close to 100%). This a test for ALL CANCERS number one. Number two, it is a screening tool and would be followed up with a serum recaf. I am bored and don't feel like reviewing all of the other multitude of uses for recaf, but the bottom line is that recaf is not comparable to any other marker to date. There are no comparisons.
This marker has one by one been fulfilling every requirement for a viable, commercializable technology. Just because YOU don't want it, or to see our company or Dr Moro succeed, that's not how the world works. As a shareholder, I am looking forward to what is next. The doors have been opening for Biocurex and next week will be another milestone.
"A variety of malignancies were tested, including lung, breast and gastrointestinal cancers."
Significance: currently there are NO MARKERS for lung or gastrointestinal cancer.
"These results are extremely significant because it is much easier and less expensive to screen for cancer using saliva samples than serum samples. We believe we can trim the assay to work even better, but even at these levels we can lower the threshold above which we say a patient is positive for cancer, thus increasing the sensitivity to close to 100%. Then a serum test can be run on the saliva positive cases to eliminate many if not most of the potential false positives."
Significance: It is a new discovery and will be tweeked to eliminate any false positives.
"Our two organizations are now coordinating future plans to extend these results in preparation to launching a pilot cancer screening program using the RECAF tests."
Significance: They are gearing up toward testing a variety of cancers in different stages.
Goldsekers rebuttal: "Opportunity, they were testing ADVANCED stage cancers and only detected 89%. At that stage of cancer, you probably be that accurate with a doctors exam. The huge question is why did Dr. Pennington use advanced stage patients? You could easily conclude that earlier stage patients were not included in the study because too many would not test positive.
Significance: Why would Goshen just announce a pilot study to collect further data to disciminate all stages of cancer if they were not confident? Gold cleary is insinuating that goshen intentionally left out early cancer. They stated they are moving forward with a much larger sample set. What does Goshen get out out of this other than notoriety. They are not paid one cent for their contributions. They only get the satisfaction of helping those with cancer.
"If the previous findings are confirmed in early stage disease, then a new paradigm for screening for common cancers will exist."
Significance: Worldwide acceptance
I think you really upset alot of people with distorting FACTS. I am sorry Great Grandma, Erthang, and Mysscat and the many other shareholders that were scared of losing their investment by following the OPINIONS of lay individuals that spend 24/7 to convince you that recaf is not viable. I would say that today is yet another game changer. Another significant achievement.
First comment was the individuals be tested from a small sample of saliva already had advanced cancer, big deal. Common sense from a research standpoint would be to test advanced cancer because if recaf were not viable at this stage why proceed. Are you going to send a spaceship to Mars first or go to the Moon to see if it is even a possibility.
I am sorry, but these individuals are not research scientists that post on this board. Also, Dr Moro cleary stated that he will be able to achieve 100% sensitivity by making small adjustments. Read it yourself those are Dr Moro's words not mine.
I would bet the farm that he is thinking about testing for recaf in urine? Anyone else agree?
To all that have swayed shareholder sentiment against Biocurex, you will now have an upward battle to convince anyone that recaf is not viable. Especially after next week's ISOBM. You can also stop the comparisons of previous markers. There is nothing even close to being in our league. You probably thought that you had free reign and had Biocurex shareholders against the ropes, but Dr Moro will continue to deliver. I would say that Inverness and Abbott have been notified and are taking notice of our latest discovery.
Keep trying, but you can't stop progress. Exciting for those that continue to believe in recaf, not so exciting for those that bash. Interest will be significant following the upcoming meeting. Don't forget Dr Sell is presenting and will be backing us as well as other pioneers in the cancer marker arena that are on our scientific board.
There will me more news next week. Bashers beware. Get ready for the backlash from those you cunningly deceived.
It is extremely significant. It adds credibility to the viability of Recaf.
NO MARKER TO DATE has achieved everything Recaf has accomplished.
Bash all you want you can't stop the honor nor the invitation to present at the ISOBM.
You can't stop the research from further validating recaf occurring in outside institutions.
You can't stop the publication of data.
You can't stop commercialization of the Elisa test.
You can't take away our million dollar investment from Inverness.
You can't take away our rapid testwhich detects cancer from a single drop of blood.
You can't take away the fact that recaf works on automized diagnostic analzers.
You can't take away the fact the Dr Moro has and will continue to accomplish every task put before him. He truly grasps the knowledge required to cure cancer. He said he has preliminary results that are confirming this and I would say that it will likely happen.
You owe many investors an apology. Backpeddle away!
Also as a footnote I asked:
This is significant enough to get the attention of television news. Goshen is launching a wide pilot study. Why not notify the news media?
Reply (within 10 minutes) by management:
Thank you for your question.
The news media has already been notified by way of this morning's press release. Those press releases are issued to every radio and TV station in Canada and the US as well as every daily newspaper and scientific journal. A medical journal has also contacted AGORACOM requesting visual images for an article it intends to put together. We will post published articles in magazines to this IR hub and label them as Industry Reports.
AGORACOM
Ask is lower than the last trade. Does anyone need yet more confirmation of manipulation. Why is Goldseeker suddenly MIA? Could he be trading biocurex shares? Hmmmmm. You be the judge.
The point is missed. It detected the cancer. Symptoms have nothing to do with it. I will repeat that it detected cancer from a saliva sample.
This why you should never listen to a lay individual. He is misrepresenting facts and attempted to dismiss what this actually has accomplished.
Now does anyone still need convincing that there are ulterior motives at play?
You do not need to be a scientist to fully comprehend what a truly SIGNIFICANT discovery has been made.
Reread kag's post and you decide for yourself.
Before anyone gets too excited about today's press release by BioCurex, it is important to not overlook two important sentences in Dr. Pennington's statement. One of those sentences is: "The current patients tested have evidence of widespread disease." (Only 15 patients were tested and they all had widespread cancer.) Dr. Pennington further states: "It will be important to study the saliva of patients with early stage disease to see if these findings are present in early stages as well." The significance of these two statements is that doctors hardly need a RECAF saliva test to determine if a patient has cancer that has spread throughout the body. The patient would probably be very sick. kag
Shareholders will decide. Again I am sorry for those that were duped.
It is 8 O'clock in the morning and I am so happy right now that I fixing myself a drink and saying a toast in Dr Moro's honor.
CHEERS to Dr Moro and Cheers to all the shareholders that never lost site of what has been called the "miracle protein".
This is Bigger than the Elisa.
Do you still think Abbott lost interest?
It is important to note that the study was done outside of Biocurex by Goshen.
I expect many collaborations at the upcoming ISOBM.